The SFA, SPL and SFL confirmed revelations yesterday that they met at Hampden on Friday evening and released a 126 word joint statement. It claimed “all three parties have been involved in productive discussions for some time on the subject of league reconstruction”.
Be that as it may, you could put your house on the fact that there would be no talk of hastily-arranged league reconstruction in the next few weeks if there remained a possibility that SPL clubs would vote a Newco into the league at their meeting on 4 July.
Disingenuous: lacking in frankness, candour or sincerity.
There is no mention of subverting every rule in the game to ensure a team called ‘Rangers’ are positioned in as high a league system as possible. The statement is completely disingenuous. Having lost the battle to parachute Newco-Rangers into the SPL, Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster have redrawn the battle lines.
Celtic supporters are the great cash cow that is expected to pay for the crimes of others. It’s up to you if you want to Cough up for Killie (etc.).
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Stairheedrammy @18:34
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We have the financial power but
we don’t have the power of the
secret-handshake.
What to do ?
Hail Hail
New post by Phill just come through too.
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-five-stages-of-liquidation/
Killie et all…. Not one thin Dime.
I note with sadness that there are still some of us happy to shout ME, ME, ME at the start of each of Paul’s articles, without even having read the article.
In most cases this will not matter.
Every so often, as has already happened, the article may contain a tragedy for one of us.
I understand that nobody intends any disrespect.
Imagine that Paul’s piece is telling us about a family member’s demise.
Is it really OK to br shouting ME,ME, ME without realising the gravity of the article.
I know.
I am an old killjoy.
Believe me, that is not my intention.
Have to say a bit disappointed with posts attacking other teams who are not really like-for-like rivals.
It does Celtic a lot of favours to be gracious in victory and not seek revenge or malice especially with teams with a fraction of the wealth creation as ourselves.
Frankly I don’t give a damn what happens to Kilmarnock, but that doesn’t mean I wish them any more ill will than say Dundee or Morton or Montrose.
I also believe Celtic attacking fans of the wee teams is no help to the no to newco argument, especially so as the vote has not been taken yet and all it will make us look like to other the teams is green huns, with as much arrogance, grace and charm as a lecture from Green, Jardine and McOist.
Defeat from the jaws of victory. Lets hope not!
Paul,
I’m all for league reconstruction and would expect as we are only now being advised of these proposals for wholesale changes to the structure of our game then an appropriate period of consultation will be entered into. I’m sure everyone will understand the dangers of rushing anything through before, say, season 2014/15.
cv
Paul67
What those in charge seem unaware of is that by taking the steps they are attempting to take they are saying that “Rangers” are so important to our game they are above the law that governs the game.
This perception will be applied to every refereeing decision in their favour because referees are part of the same authority that are doing their best not to order off a club who have committed the equivalent of a deliberate leg breaking tackle by a Joey Barton type player.
What is the point of an SPL2 if those in charge set it up just so that SPL1 is deprived of one if its main income streams for as short a time as possible?
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It dooms SPL2 before a ball is kicked and, if after 4 years UEFA money becomes essential for Newco then in SPL1, then SPL1 experiences the same refereeing contagion it did from 2009.
This is why the detoxification Alex T speaks of is so important because without it the game will always be poisoned and those in charge are now administering the poison rather than removing it.
I believe there is a massive failure at the SFA to stand back and take a truly strategic view of what they are trying to achieve and the thinking behind the setting of that goal.
For example since dubiety of refereeing from an injection of Newco into SPL2 is a huge risk to SPL2s success then the proposal for an SPL2 start should contain further proposals that gives fans some belief that steps like I described last June* are being taken to protect the integrity of SPL2 and later SPL1.
My opinion for what it is worth is the SFA as an organisation are out of their competence depth and need to bring in very swiftly governance expertise to bridge the competence/skill gap and provide the strategical perceptive that internal parties simply do not have. I think McLeish said that in his report but it is now self evident.
* LAST June I suggested a step that would go some way to addresing the inevitable perception that referees were simply instruments of a SFA “Save Rangers” policy rather than upholders of the laws of the game and that was to set up a professional REFEREEING SERVICE that separates the monitoring and rewards for performance from the supply and allocation of referees. There would be public reporting of said performance with consistency of application of the laws from game to game one of the performance measures. Through that refs who applied the rules properly and consistently would be better rewarded than those who do not.
Of course this might highlight inconsistency that indicates favouritism on the part of a particular referee for a particular team, but a behaviour observed changes just by being observed.
Summing up the SFA have not got the message Rangers have killed our game and need to realise that for it to stand any chance of survival they have no option but to apply the rules, and if they cannot they must leave but even if they can, they must look at their mishandling of the situation from the 2000 to date, rectify processes then leave.
timbhoy in spain on 24 June, 2012 at 18:43 said:
”New post by Phill just come through too.
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-five-stages-of-liquidation/ ”
A year out?
Just long enough to reorganise the league?
Burghbhoy on 24 June, 2012 at 18:30 said:
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The establishment imo, have had a lot more spring in their steps since, the sad passing of the late Paul McBride QC.
Sad but, not surprising.
Hail Hail
I dipped into the “bears den” to see what the reaction to those who are walking away was,the hatred being shown is even worse than i imagined it would have been,wishing severe injury on the two of them,anyone showing any sympathy for them is quickly told,in no uncertain manner,where to go
ElDiegoBhoy on 24 June, 2012 at 18:24 said:
I think McGregor was one of the players CW put on a 5 year contract last year.
Paul67 on 24 June, 2012 at 18:25 said:
Paul67 that is an incredible piece of information!
They are playing w/Celtic’s money.
Time Celtic got the finger out.
Pfayr
Very good point. Im sure Paul will raise this with C F C. Over to you Paul.
Soon, very soon, Moisty will be gazing haggardly into the mirror, muttering wildly, “Who is this man? What is his name? In the interest if transparency I demand to know….”
Fade to black.
Now they are deid you can still play pass the parcel when watching live games on tv with your mates. A fiver each in a beer tumbler and you hold it till the ball goes out for a goal kick throw in or corner. Once the balls out you pass it on. Whoever is holding it when the first goal goes in keeps the cash. Does crank up the excitement somewhat. Especially if theres a right few of you in it.
Kev jungle.
Yeah, sad but true m8 Hail Hail and may God bless our fallen heroes
Auldheid
As you’re around what do you make of MBB’s silence at this time?
Please don’t forget that when they died so did the O/F label, the biggest obstacle to us been accepted into English football. Now we are not viewed as a package and will be judged on our own merits I have a gut feeling that there was more self preservation panic on the agenda than ‘what must be done for the good of Scottish football’ tripe we are being fed.
How often have we been invited down for testimonials and compare our party atmosphere compared to the blitz of Manchester.
Celtic would be good for English football and personally I have nothing but apathy for the beaks of Scottish football. Duff and Phelps may get another few homers before we have a conclusion.
OGILVIE !! NO !
It’s staggering that this criminal still heads up the sfa with Donkey & Raygun trotting obediently at his ankles.
Mindbogglin’ even…
TinyTim on 24 June, 2012 at 18:14 said:
I don’t understand all the fuss about John Greigs statue walking away.
John Greig did.
TT, it is merely art imitating life.
pigalle
From earlier regarding Regan and Donkey.!!!!!!!!
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starry plough on 24 June, 2012 at 13:25 said:
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 24 June, 2012 at 13:13 said:
Who put them in place and why would be my question, was it a far reaching plan for just such a time as now, naw couldnae be could it??
PatsyCSC
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My thoughts also how far back (and by who)were these(eeeeejits) two hand picked to do the dirty on every honest club in Scotland to assist DEADCLUB FC
HAIL HAIL
ernie lynch on 24 June, 2012 at 18:32 said:
Paul67 on 24 June, 2012 at 18:25 said:
”Margaret McGill, the meeting happened behind Celtic’s back.”
Do you know, or can you find out, who was at the meeting and can you tell us the names?
…and was the Daily Record privvy to this before Celtic….?
Likely IMO
Paul67,
It was nice to meet you on Friday night, keep
up the good work. Also thanks to SFTB for getting
my ticket sorted.
They take any of my money and I’ll be knockin’ on someone’s door and takin’ it back.
Hear me,Ogilvie?
Paul I share your disdain at the fact that this meeting/these meetings have taken place at all, but I’m not entirely sure that the sensible conclusion is that this will all be rushed thriugh successfully. There is an absolutely MASSIVE amount of administration work to get done to put such changes in place; every professional club in Scotland would have to be at a meeting (meetings?) where the procedures were discussed; there would eventually have to be a vote taken, where there are proscribed timings wihich woukld have toi be adhered to; various companies have agreements with associations/leagues/clubs based on the status quo; and ALL the indications are that clubs up and down the country are fed up with the ‘Rangers’ as were or as are and would be unlikely to vote through the proposals.
I agree entirely with you that the thinking behind the meetings is to aid the ailing Hun, but with the fixtures for ALL the leagues having already been published I just can’t see this going through. Quite why Raygun and Dungchucker are doing this at all does baffle me, mind you.
Kilbowie Kelt
I did read the article.
I remember the ocassion you speak of when the ME,ME,ME shouter never read the article, cannot remember who it was and dont really care, they then apologised for any offence they caused.
Then a few posters, having not taken the time to read back or they would have read the apology, started having a go at the ME,ME,ME shouter for being ‘childish’ and being disrespectful.
Since then the ME,ME,ME shouting has gone on.
To me its a harmless bit of fun that most enjoy it for what it is.
So yes there is a time and a place for shouting ME,ME,ME.
This time was my time ;)
Burghbhoy on 24 June, 2012 at 18:57 said:
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Hear, hear M8!
Cheers.
Hail Hail
Paul67 on 24 June, 2012 at 18:25 said:
Behind Celtics back eh?
Good job this is the new up to date open and transparent way of working within Scottish Football, can you imagine what it would be like otherwise.
ernie lynch on 24 June, 2012 at 18:30 said:
I think this analogy covers it.
Frank Sinatra and his backing 11 man band go on a tour and they are contracted to support each other for a given fee.
Frank cannot hire another band during the tour. Without Frank there is no tour, no payment to the band.
No agreement, no tour nobody gets a penny.As the only swinger in town Celtic now are in a good position to negotiate on the same lines Frank would have. He gets the majority of income for drawing in the fans, the band get a share because without them Frank could not perform.
Maybe I’m missing something but what do people want the new SPL to look like, and forget for now about the new huns, they won’t be in it.
Do people think it will just carry on as normal?
We only held the power because of the “old firm” pact, but we wanted the huns dead and it happened but that now leaves us vulnerable. We can’t help kill the huns then expect everything to carry on as normal.
PaddyG
My feelings also. That dreaded OF tag has been the barnacled albatross wing to us…
Let the Free Bird Fly
When WE were close to extinction,the ‘establishment’ was going hell for leather to crucify us.
Now that the most despised club in the world is dead,the same ‘establishment’ wants us to pay for that?
Time for our legal eagles to act if this becomes a de facto proposition.
ElDiegoBhoy on 24 June, 2012 at 18:58 said:
If you mean Craig Whyte I do wonder. Maybe he has become fond of his kneecaps and wants to keep them? Who knows, but I would not like to be in his shoes.
Agent Craig “Green and” Whyte!! on 24 June, 2012 at 19:01 said: …..
Your post was totally blameless, & I was not trying to apportion blame.
I was simply trying to point out that hurt & offence could occur.
READ the article,…& only then make a comment.
That way, nobody is hurt.
I was VERY surprised at the amount of anti hun feeling throughout Scotland recently.
I expect the Scottish public to object to this hurried reconstruction which is been done to save Rangers and keep guys like Ogilvie, Willie Young etc. in Brown bags.
The only missing link I believe is missing is proof that Murrays slush fund was used to buy favourable press.
HH
For what its worth, they can all meet to the coo’s come hame. I personally think that there will be no version of them playing football next year. I think we will have court cases on a regular basis over the carcass. This is just my opinion.
Italy 3 – Engurland 1
no newco/ sevco or any co.
HH
Paul67 –
Surely the only outcome of this latest farce has to be the heads of Regan and Ogilvie.
President What School… is already on record as saying he will go if anyone makes the request.
Andy Coyle @STV_Andy
Seems Green’s concern is that he won’t get profit from the sale of players that he thinks he bought for a combined fee of £5.5m.