CQN this evening received a response to our article today – The Truth Hurts which you can read HERE.
Unusually this response to our feature was polite (usually they’re ‘industrial’) and put forward a counter argument.
Our critic talked of our “fictitious article on Rangers.”
To be clear fictitious means “not real or true; imaginary or fabricated”, yet the article simply outlines a series of quotes from the media and “real Rangers men” such as Walter Smith, Richard Gough and Stuart McCall from 2012, the year Rangers FC went into liquidation.
Did CQN make up these quotes? No we didn’t.
Did the Rangers support challenge then at the time they were made? No they didn’t.
As our article points out these quotes weren’t even controversial at the time they were made.
Anyway our friend from across the city wanted to get this off his chest. Here’s what he had to say…
Please take a look at the following quote, posted by the Daily Record in May 2015.
The statement comes a matter of months after SPFL chief Neil Doncaster also stated that Rangers are the same club when he said: Doncaster said: “In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time.
“The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same.
“It’s the same club, absolutely.
“The member club is the entity that participates in our league and we have 42 member clubs.
“Those clubs may be owned by a company, sometimes it’s a Private Limited Company, sometimes it’s a PLC, but ultimately, the company is a legal entity in its own right, which owns a member club that participates in the league.
“It was put to bed by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission some while ago – it’s the same club.”
Please also see this link that comes direct from UEFA listing rangers history in European competition:
I know you cannot argue with ignorance, but if you actually bigged up the match or focused on your own team instead of anti rangers baiting, people would actually respect you more.
That’s it. The same club counter argument. Let’s have a wee look at the points raised.
Our feature outlines statements made in the Daily Record by their journalists and also by the so-called real Rangers men. Yet when they don’t suit they are immediately discarded as being fictitious. Our quotes come from 2012 – the year Rangers died. His comes from May 2015 several years after his club died and after the myth was created. And myths tend to be fictitious.
LORD NIMMO SMITH
Were there no football rules to deal with the death of a football club before Doncaster commissioned Lord Nimmo Smith? LNS only considered this matter while looking at something entirely different, but that takes us into the cheating territory and CQN will be dealing with that at a later date.
Did Lord Nimmo Smith actually state this or did he look at both sides of the argument? Who makes him an authority rather than for example the Court of Session judges that more recently ridiculed the notion of the club surviving liquidation?
The minute Lord Nimmo Smith becomes an authority on football regulations attention can be paid to his opinon but until then the only authority that matters is football and Andrea Traverso Head of Licensing and Financial Fair Play at UEFA is the ultimate authority.
Our friend could have quoted ECA, ASA and others and all of them say that it’s the same club because someone told them so. All of this is meaningless as they carry no authority. Andrea Traverso Head of Licensing and Financial Fair Play at UEFA in this instance is the horse’s mouth. Get him to tell you it is the same club and we’ll listen.
“As a consequence of decisions taken in 2012 as well as the administration of the club the events/measures that followed (including the new club/company being ineligible to apply for a licence to participate to in UEFA competitions for three seasons), there is no need for UEFA to investigate this matter any further since the club was not granted a licence to participate in the 2012/13 UEFA club competitions, the new club/company entered the fourth tier of Scottish Football and it was not able to play in UEFA competitions for the next three years in any event.
Many thanks for taking note of the above position of UEFA.”
Andrea Traverso, Head of Licensing and Financial Fair Play at UEFA
ARGUING WITH IGNORANCE
Finally our critic states that ‘I know you cannot argue with ignorance, but if you actually bigged up the match or focused on your own team instead of anti rangers baiting, people would actually respect you more.”
You cannot argue with the truth. His problem is that he is too scared to face it. Don’t expect us, or indeed supporters of any other club in Scotland to buy into your myth because you can’t face the truth.
Deep down he knows it, they all do.