Following yesterday’s article on the cosy relationship between the police and Scottish Government, who are alarming a remarkably wide range of society, a flurry of information has been passed back to me, including the following notes on the Integration of Scottish Criminal Justice Information Systems (ISCJIS) database. The First Minister has stonewalled requests to breakdown religiously aggravated crime, claiming the Crown Office have destroyed their records, but my source suggests the information is available for analysis in the ISCJIS database. I’m told:
“The material stored (in the ISCJIS database) ranges from simple conviction records, to DNA, and social status. The data is used primarily for presenting Criminal History in court cases, and in identifying suspects in criminal investigations. It is also used of course to measure the social impact of changes in Legislation and Enforcement Policy, as evidenced by the current furore. It will also be used to predict the impact of such changes, particularly as regards Equality and Diversity impacts, which is a statutory requirement of any proposed Legislation. You see, the ‘missing’ data is actually necessary in predicting the impact on Equality of the Offensive Behaviour Bill.”
“Essentially, if you want to know how many Section 74 Breach of the Peace convictions (Aggravation for Religious Prejudice) or even charges, there were at a given point in time in a given court, you simply search on the Breach of the Peace Conviction Code and add the modifier code ‘P’ indicating Religious Aggravation. All such offences are then returned, with full access (rights permitted) to the Reports and Case Notes.”
To assist the First Minister, below is information on what the enquiry form he has to complete looks like. This is a link to the operation manual and if he’s really stuck he can call the helpdesk on 0141-585 – 8333.
We can only speculate why the authorities are so reluctant to disclose information on, on a subject so close to their hearts.
Quick shout for the John Thomson Memorial Fund, which is benefiting from the sale of 60″ posters for the recent stage play, check them out on ebay.
OFFENCE AGGRAVATION
DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence that adds to the Offence Code by highlighting particular circumstances relating to the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
DATA ITEMS: Crime/Offence Aggravator.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field – Alpha or Zero.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 1 character long and consists of an alpha code, which identifies the Aggravation to the offence committed. It is possible that a charge can have a combination of up to 6 aggravations. An aggravation description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Aggravation code into text to specify the nature of the Aggravation.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS – maintained by Crown Office.
CODES: Over page:-
CODE Aggravation Inactive indicator
Anticipated activation date
0 No Aggravation
A Anti Social Behaviour
B Offending whilst on Bail
C Cancelled
D Domestic Abuse
E Disability
F Football
G Football Banning Order
H Harassment
I Harassment Order
J Connected to Serious Crime Y October 2010
K Offence against a child
OFFENCE MODIFIER DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence which provides additional information for the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field. Alpha, numeric.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 4 characters long and consists of an alphanumeric code, which identifies additional elements of the charge. The code will consist of an alphabetic character followed by 3 numeric characters. If no modifier exists, 4 0’s (zeroes) characters will be transferred. An Offence Modifier description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Modifier code into text to specify the nature of the Offence Modifier.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS maintained by Crown Office
CODES:- See offence modifier codes. The current
definitions are:-
A For Class A Drugs
B For Class B Drugs
C For Class C Drugs
W For Weapons
L Breach of undertaking
Y October 2010
N Sexual Orientation
O Sex Offenders Order
P Religious
R Racial
S Sexual
Q Transgender
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bournesouprecipe
In the summer when we are officially being told that we need lovely Rangers FC in our lives to maintain profits and keep us under foot and in line .. will they charge admission for the car park demonstration ? ;-)
Hail Hail
Ghod save Celtic from good Celtic men.
Whether they’re in the Boardroom, in the stands or hunched over their keyboards.
DBBIA
no mention of Old Firm apologists ?
Mmmmmhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh………………………………………….
Hail Hail
Mort congratulations to you both, I hope all goes well.
Awe Naw
I’m of the opinion that they have failed us no matter what the future brings. We are 2nd in Scotland & no longer a European force.
This board has no plan in place to take us forward. We don’t win Titles, The support is divided, People are staying at home on match days.
For me being 2nd to Rangers any season is unacceptable, To be 2nd when they are in financial ruin is well….quite simply an embarrassment. HH
weeminger at 09:19
“They know what you can and can’t sing. If you give them a ‘naught list’ they’ll just change the words and the tune.”
That’s priceless. Surely changing the words and the tune makes a different song and if that song isn’t offensive then job done.
Mort
Finnie from SNP asked if offensive marches will be targetted. Fudged the answer, but basically said this law only applies to football matches.
F*** the SNP.
Never again will they get my vote.
Serge
I am hoping that they have an ace up their sleeves and that I will be sending them champers and chocolates by the start of next season.
Hail Hail
Cheers.
Baby due middle of May. I suggested that she could hold on until May 25th and we can call him/her Jock or Billy. Not too impressed with that suggestion.
Mort
Sorry if already mentioned, just on a break from work.
The board have failed the whole Celtic family by allowing the media in all it’s forms to tag us as bad as the hordes from Govan.
The media are incresingly stating that our fans were done for sectarian singing, it started off as a throw away quip and has now become a torrent.
Get off your middle class arse Mr Lawwell and take each and every one of them to court. In fact just use one percent of the time you spend on the attacking of the GB and attack the scum that want us dead and buried.
Mr Lawwell:
Financial competency 10 out of 10
Defending the clubs fans 0 out of 10 at present.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:09
I do believe that very soon the Celtic support will have come to a cross roads and it will split in two.
Those who have been conditioned into accepting that they are the eternally downtrodden and will never be treated with equality. The Stockholm syndrome sufferers as I call them. The cap in hand stare at the floor shrug the shoulder types. PERFECT CELTIC OLD FIRM TURNSTILE FODDER
….. and those that will not accept that role.
…………………..
Heres another analogy for the above
You would prefer we confront the enemy head on, a bit like Haig when he sent thousands to their death at the Somme.
I and others would prefer we used guerrilla tactics, picking fights we can win and building up momentum.
Illicit chanting is like breach of the peace. It means you haven’t done anything against the law. We just don’t like it.
On another subject, are Hearts more likely than our own board to block dirty Rangers immediate re-entry to the SPL. They might be hanging on, expecting to take the vacated second place. I hope our board vote to keep them out. I see a lot of people talking up the stick. “If our board vote them back in, I’ll never be back. ” What about the carrot? KDSers stop sniggering. If we vote them out, we will lose a lot of money. If you want our representatives to keep them out, how about saying you’ll buy your season ticket even though previously you only bought it to guarantee a derby ticket. If you haven’t been to a game for a few years, say you’ll fit in a couple in next season. If you are abroad, let them know you’ll subscribe to Channel 67. Make it easy for them to do the right thing.
Awe Naw
Willo Flood in January maybe? ;-p HH
Less Grey now saying thousands singing the billy boys at Easter Road. Any arrests ?
Les Grey – not Less….
‘Surely changing the words and the tune makes a different song’ ?
someone should pass on that valuable tip to Coldplay.
Henriks Sombrero says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:36
Less Grey now saying thousands singing the billy boys at Easter Road. Any arrests ?
………..
The thousands included the polis, so no!
Mort, congrats and hope Mrs Mort is feeling fine. Get your sleeps in now cos come June you will not know what sleep is!! My eldest is 6 (wasn’t allowed Henrik either!) and he has just discovered he has his OWN bed to sleep in. Youngest has just turned 1 and is teething like mad and can’t sleep! Apart from that they are fantastic. I now appreciate work more, I come in here for a sleep!!
SffS
Too many to arrest he’s now saying – but relax. Plod filmed them and arrests will be made. That’s ok then…
Henriks Sombrero says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:07
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Two reasons: everyone knows the polis are an insipid bunch of money grabbing shysters and that the usual songs are praiseworthy by such as Les Gray et al, so why bother asking? <- rhetorical question.
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weeminger says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:19
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This is the logic we are dealing with. How retarded is that guy?
Why, just the other day I was listening to the Feeder song "Just the way I'm Feeling" and wondered how it would sound if I changed the lyrics to those in the excellent "Everlong" by the Foo Fighters and also changed the tune to same. It was, of course, still the same Feeder song with the same meaning (in The World according to Yousef).
fubar
greenjedi,
We did win WW I …. would you have dropped the atomic bombs on Japan ?
I would prefer that we engaged with the enemy rather than the continual acquiescence and cooperation that we are witnessing now. You may well be right and I am not saying you are not. We will find out by this summer if the big tax case goes against the hun.
As for your preferred choice of strategy … which I do not recognise as a strategy … what battles or skirmishes have we actually won recently ? maybe I am missing something
Hail Hail
Margo McDonald to Finnie – ‘you’re making the law look an ass’.
Mort (Kano 1000) says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:27
Congratulations Mort, baby Starry was born on the 25th of May 2010, she watches the huddle with Dad and says Celtic, nothing to do with me of course!!
Iron-grey and cold here in North Ayrshire this morning.
Call Kaye at the moment is about the new bill.
Mainly negative comments.
So is it okay for five hundred cheeky wee tims to stand outside the orange lodge on the 12th and sing to their hearts content?
Oops! Quick look back shows that you know this already.
Silver City Neil Lennon says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:32
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About the ‘abroad’ and ‘C67’ thing – isn’t it about time Celtic, who obviously record all their home games for broadcast abroad, started using the recent EU ruling on geographical boundaries vis a vis sports broadcasting to distribute such in the UK?
There’d be a high uptake of C67 in Scotland alone and Sky/ESPN would yank the proverbial plug on the SPL deal.
win-win :-)
SFFS
Cheers, I can imagine there won’t be much sleep when Henrik arrives. I’ll have to make the most of getting to games as well this season.
Starry, take it you didn’t get to name your daughter Lisbon or anything cool either. :-)
Mort
‘Big man’ train passenger to be quizzed by police after ticketless student makes official complaint
Dec 14 2011 By John Ferguson
THE passenger who became a worldwide internet sensation after throwing a ticketless teenager off a train is facing an assault charge.
“Big Man” Alan Pollock, an investment banker, was hailed a hero for tackling alleged fare-dodging student Sam Main, pictured.
But the married dad-of-three, 34, could now end up with a criminal conviction after the 19-year-old made an official complaint to police.
And last night, the surveying student’s flower salesman dad Lenny, 43, said Alan had no right to do what he did, adding: “This big guy has basically thrown him head first on to the platform.
“Sam’s landed on his face and has a big graze.
“He’s tried to get back in the carriage to get his bag.
“He’s diabetic and all his things were in that bag – his medication, his university notes, his money, his mobile phone and his ipod. But he’s been thrown off again. This man has to be charged and have his day in court.
“He had no right to do what he did. If I was him, I’d expect to be charged.”
The incident has sparked huge debate across Scotland over whether Sam deserved to be kicked off or not.
Lenny added: “Some of the comments about Sam online have been vile.
“My son is no ned.”
Sam was visited by officers at his home in Falkirk yesterday after burly Alan was caught on camera launching him head first on to a platform.
The clip, shot on a mobile phone, has been viewed by more than 500,000 people around the globe. But last night a pal of Sam’s said: “The transport police traced Sam to his house and interviewed him. During the visit, Sam decided he would like to make an official police complaint.”
The YouTube clip shows a ticket inspector ordering Sam off the train at Linlithgow because he does not have a valid ticket to Polmont.
When the second-year student at Heriot-Watt University refuses, Alan approaches and offers to “get him off” before grabbing Sam and throwing him on to theplatform.
Sam, who received cuts on his face and legs, is seen struggling to get back on board to retrieve his bag, unaware that another passenger has already tossed it off the train.
One woman is heard saying: “There’s no need for that.”
But Alan is applauded byother travellers as he sits down in the seat vacated by Sam,and one man says: “Cheers, big man.”
Ian Hems, 27, an IT teacher who filmed the incident, said: “The big man said, ‘if I end up in jail because of this, you’ve got to come and bring me a bag of pickled onion Monster Munchin prison.’ That’s pretty much all he said.
“He was a strong and silenttype who made almost no conversation with other passengers who were chatting about the incident.”
Yesterday, there was no sign of Alan at the riverside bungalow he shares with wife Avril and their three children.
Avril said: “He is a very private man. He doesn’twant to talk about theincident.”
When asked if her husband had been visited by police she said: “No comment.”
Last night, a spokesman forthe British Transport Police refused to discuss details of the case.
He said: “A complaint has been received and inquiries are ongoing into the incident.”
Is it okay for the Green Brigade to collectively bless themselves and kneel in prayer prior to kick-off on the 28th? Would it be mad if the stadium joined in?
RANGERS owner Craig Whyte faced Albion Rovers boss Paul Martin in a bitter court dispute over a £90,000 bill yesterday.
It is claimed Whyte’s company Tixway Ltd owe Martin’s One Stop Roofing Supplies Ltd over orders for materials supplied for a major Glasgow housing project.
Martin, 46, and business partner Robert Jenkins, 44, allege Tixway owned 51 per cent of a firm called Snowcast, who had contracts to work for building giants Connaught.
But Connaught later went into administration, forcing Snowcast to cease trading.
Martin and Jenkins claim Tixway were their customers, not Snowcast.
They point to hundreds of invoices they sent to Tixway.
But Whyte claims the invoices should have been sent to Snowcast and says a credit agreement Tixway opened with One Stop Roofing was for future work on his home, Castle Grant, near Grantown-on-Spey.
Whyte said in evidence that Martin and Jenkins were pursuing him as they believed he would settle out of court to avoid adverse publicity.
The disputed amount of £86,127.36 relates to June 2009, almost two years before Whyte took over Rangers. In a terse exchange with Alistair Clark QC, acting for One Stop Roofing, he denied ever saying that the bills were due to be settled by Tixway.
Mr Clark put it to Whyte that he had received text messages and emails from Jenkins about the outstanding debt and a plan to pay it off at £5000 a month.
But Whyte said he had never accepted it was a Tixway debt and that since he was owed money by Snowcast as well, it was in both their interests to discuss Snowcast debts.
Whyte is sole director of Tixway but until April 1, 2008, the only director was his wife Kim.
Mr Clark asked if this was because Whyte had been banned from being a director until that point.
Whyte said: “That is a matter of public record.” Mr Clark said: “Was the ban for trading while insolvent?” Whyte said: “I don’t have a recollection of why I was banned without legal documents. I am not going to say in open court and get it wrong.”
Whyte told sheriff Nigel Ross the case was an attempt to embarrass him. He said of Martin and Jenkins: “They thought I would settle to avoid the publicity of coming here today and that’s why we’re here.
“They have attempted to do that already. They went to the press several months ago.”
Earlier, Martin claimed Whyte’sdad Tom had “given him comfort”that the debt would be paid.
The Rovers manager said that, because of this, One Stop Roofingdid not claim on their credit risk insurance policy on time.
Tixway UK Ltd are defending the action raised by One Stop Roofing Supplies Ltd.
The case was continued to a later date.
Les Grey now talking about sectarian Celtic fans in a pub in York.
Try the Grapes in Paisley Road West for Sectarianism ya twat.
Before Celtic clarified someone posted the SFA rules and having read them I could see no opening on which to base an appeal if any mention was made of the IRA.
Whatever one’s emotions on the subject they have to be put aside in making an appeal ON THE ISSUE AT HAND. Nothing else, no whatboutery, no treatise on Irish/Scottish history to persuade UEFA that the IRA today is wrongly tarred with the same brush as Al Quadea. UEFA would damage themselves if they bought that one,
So on the issue of the charge it was a fair cop guv (if you will pardon the expression) we were warned, the warnings were ignored so it is medicine taking time ON THIS ISSUE.
There has been stoking of fears for what this will mean for other songs or terms.
If the huns say ban the Fields, we say ban The Sash and there would be a war of songs and terms attrition that no one would win. I think that unlikely but given that stupidity seems to have infected the nation it could not be completly ruled out.
What is absolutely essential is even handedness of whatever is put in place and that does need monitoring. I am not sure if this idea is in the proposals but the police should be required to report ALL arrests at all games 3 to 4 days after a game with reasons.
That is the kind of transparency that has to be demanded by all supporters associations and certainly Celtic’s to givr the club and support more willing to work
There’s one thing I think people should be clear about. There’s not a single political party operating in this country that wouldn’t have tried a similar move.
Leaving aside today’s bill (briefly), whether you like his arguments or not Alec Salmond is one of the only MSPs that can go toe to toe with anybody in Westminster, and there’s part of me still hopes that this is some kind of genius plan to prove how unworkable this type of law is in practice once it’s in place.
I was about to write that ‘the rest of me know this is a populist vote winner’. Except it’s not. Nobody from any side, at least certainly not enough to make a difference in an election, thinks this law is acceptable or workable in it’s current form – even those that support it’s aims.
I really can’t get my head round them being so strong on this. When you actually step back and look at it, it really is hard to see what they hope to achieve politically from this.
Henrik’s Sombrero@09:38
Too many to arrest he’s now saying – but relax. Plod filmed them and arrests will be made. That’s ok then…
What he really means is…. “We are a bunch of cowards who much prefer to kick down 17 year olds doors at dawn, when we have a dozen or so coppers to arrest one wee boy”
and support some assurances that the bill, if passed will be policed fairly
This may already be part of the FAC thinking, I am unsighted on the latest deve kpments.
Mort (Kano 1000) says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:44
Not a chance Mate, Mrs Starry put her wee foot down, brilliant tho’ when the Huddle music comes on and the wee one starts dancing, these are the moments Mate, you’ll love it!!
SP
Les Gray keeps going on about the sectarian chanting at Easter Road on Satyrday from our Southside friends,
So, just what did the police do about it? Seems like f*** all to me. Also media silence on the matter shameful but not unexpected.
Interesting also that Gray suggested that the BBC has muted the chants from their radio broadcast. Shame wee Nevin wasn’t there to call it as it was!