Following yesterday’s article on the cosy relationship between the police and Scottish Government, who are alarming a remarkably wide range of society, a flurry of information has been passed back to me, including the following notes on the Integration of Scottish Criminal Justice Information Systems (ISCJIS) database. The First Minister has stonewalled requests to breakdown religiously aggravated crime, claiming the Crown Office have destroyed their records, but my source suggests the information is available for analysis in the ISCJIS database. I’m told:
“The material stored (in the ISCJIS database) ranges from simple conviction records, to DNA, and social status. The data is used primarily for presenting Criminal History in court cases, and in identifying suspects in criminal investigations. It is also used of course to measure the social impact of changes in Legislation and Enforcement Policy, as evidenced by the current furore. It will also be used to predict the impact of such changes, particularly as regards Equality and Diversity impacts, which is a statutory requirement of any proposed Legislation. You see, the ‘missing’ data is actually necessary in predicting the impact on Equality of the Offensive Behaviour Bill.”
“Essentially, if you want to know how many Section 74 Breach of the Peace convictions (Aggravation for Religious Prejudice) or even charges, there were at a given point in time in a given court, you simply search on the Breach of the Peace Conviction Code and add the modifier code ‘P’ indicating Religious Aggravation. All such offences are then returned, with full access (rights permitted) to the Reports and Case Notes.”
To assist the First Minister, below is information on what the enquiry form he has to complete looks like. This is a link to the operation manual and if he’s really stuck he can call the helpdesk on 0141-585 – 8333.
We can only speculate why the authorities are so reluctant to disclose information on, on a subject so close to their hearts.
Quick shout for the John Thomson Memorial Fund, which is benefiting from the sale of 60″ posters for the recent stage play, check them out on ebay.
OFFENCE AGGRAVATION
DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence that adds to the Offence Code by highlighting particular circumstances relating to the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
DATA ITEMS: Crime/Offence Aggravator.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field – Alpha or Zero.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 1 character long and consists of an alpha code, which identifies the Aggravation to the offence committed. It is possible that a charge can have a combination of up to 6 aggravations. An aggravation description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Aggravation code into text to specify the nature of the Aggravation.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS – maintained by Crown Office.
CODES: Over page:-
CODE Aggravation Inactive indicator
Anticipated activation date
0 No Aggravation
A Anti Social Behaviour
B Offending whilst on Bail
C Cancelled
D Domestic Abuse
E Disability
F Football
G Football Banning Order
H Harassment
I Harassment Order
J Connected to Serious Crime Y October 2010
K Offence against a child
OFFENCE MODIFIER DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence which provides additional information for the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field. Alpha, numeric.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 4 characters long and consists of an alphanumeric code, which identifies additional elements of the charge. The code will consist of an alphabetic character followed by 3 numeric characters. If no modifier exists, 4 0’s (zeroes) characters will be transferred. An Offence Modifier description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Modifier code into text to specify the nature of the Offence Modifier.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS maintained by Crown Office
CODES:- See offence modifier codes. The current
definitions are:-
A For Class A Drugs
B For Class B Drugs
C For Class C Drugs
W For Weapons
L Breach of undertaking
Y October 2010
N Sexual Orientation
O Sex Offenders Order
P Religious
R Racial
S Sexual
Q Transgender
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weeminger says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:49
I suggest you go and do some research on the origins and history of the SNP.
That will give you a clue as to why they are pressing ahead with this legislation.
They are not the party you imagine them to be.
kitalba says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:45
There are a rather large obvious assumption you’ve made in such a suggestion.
That aside, I think it would be actionable as it would not be an act of religious observance, but a calculated act to inflame others based on their perceived religion. Where we stand on this is something of a (Les) Grey area but I would find the reaction rather amusing.
You/we’d be disrespecting, in quite a public manner, one particular religion (see first point)
I would just like to take this opportunity to send a message to Ian Black of Hearts due to his and his fellow teammates current circumstances-
HAHAHAHAHA…….AHAHAHAHAHA!
I bet your as shite at painting n decorating as you are at football,couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy,girfuy!
Now,back to reading the blog.
Sorry folks meant UEFA rules and hit send whilst drafting so extra bit is what I should have said. Bloody android phones.
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:44
I see it going the other way. If fans forced a ruling allowing games broadcast in Europe to be broadcast here, Celtic would be forced to stop broadcasting in Europe.
Somebody, sorry, I’ve forgotten who, amusingly suggested a list of harmless songs we could sing.
“Happiness”, by Ken Dodd, was one.
Disturbingly, though, he included, “The Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond”.
Wasn’t that about the imagined musings of a rebel, condemned to die by the English government?
Think that’ll have to be put on the “naughty list”.
starry plough at 09:51
Brilliant, you’ll have to get her to dance to JCGE as well now.
Mort
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:39
greenjedi,
We did win WW I …. would you have dropped the atomic bombs on Japan ?
I would prefer that we engaged with the enemy rather than the continual acquiescence and cooperation that we are witnessing now. You may well be right and I am not saying you are not. We will find out by this summer if the big tax case goes against the hun.
As for your preferred choice of strategy … which I do not recognise as a strategy … what battles or skirmishes have we actually won recently ? maybe I am missing something
Hail Hail
……………….
I’m talking about the supporters not the club. I have no idea what the Board want regarding the somgs and the huns.
We have won nothing yet as we are still charging over the top from the trenches. A change of tactics is needed.
Re the A Bomb, I’ve no idea how I would have decided that. Kill thousands to save thousands. I know people whose fathers and grandfathers fought and/or where in POW with the Japanese and they said their relatives hated the Japanese as they where the most evil people on earth. I know their view is clouded through hate but did the A Bomb stop further years of war, or did it bring about what was going to happen anyway?
I was looking at the RTC site and its amazing what they are uncovering about Craigy .
Ive always thought that Murray was still pulling the strings in the background .
It now appears that they were known to each other in the past.
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:52
Do you really believe it was posted seriously?
Morning Celts,
Message from Roccobhoy, he’s looking for an Irish bar in Udinese today, can anyone help?
Vinny
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:52
In that respect, the orcs are just a fun-thing set up in the park by a few friends.
kitalba says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:57
Partly, given that I’ve seen people doing exactly that at mismatches v the orcs.
Has anyone given a reason as to why Easter Roads match commander saw fit not to report the sectarian chanting to the SPL after all Eddie Smith had boldly gone where no MC had ever gone before!!
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:52
I’m not really interested in their history, I’m interested in where this country is going in the future and as I said I’m talking about taking an objective look at what they might gain from it and the answer is very little.
It certainly looks like its leading to a net loss in votes, from those actually interested in the issue (and that’s the nub I suspect).
Labour, who at the end of the day are the SNPs only real challengers, would be on a similar track by now. Of that I have no doubt. If anybody expects a Labour led Assembly to remove this from the statutes should they return to power they’ll be very disappointed. I’m not sure they’d even amend it if it was shown to be ‘working’.
Anyone hear the MSP on 5Live this morning. Can’t remember his name but he didn’t seem to have a clue about what the proposed bill would outlaw. To be fair, Nicky Campbell gave him an easy time. I’d prefer Peter Allen to give him a grilling.
Mort
Silver City Neil Lennon says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:55
Evidently we have some sort of right to broadcast in Europe, but not here ergo we have a ‘right to broadcast’. Clearly the SPL have placed a caveat on that right to broadcast in order to protect ‘their’ product. In my view, it would by the SPL, by placing such a caveat based on geographical borders who would be in breach of the ruling.
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:58
Oh! okay then, I’ll refrain from trying to influence the full stadium from choreographed offensive religious exhibitions.
Is it still okay for the orange walk to strut their walk of shame? After all, we don’t want to deprive the world of that cultural hilarity.
kitalba says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:01
Good chap ;-)
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:57
‘In that respect, the orcs are just a fun-thing set up in the park by a few friends.’
The huns have changed over the years though, haven’t they?
This legislation suggests the SNP have not.
Greenjedi
That´s sounds fair enough to me. As I said we are about to find out. As I stated last night until then we should do what we do best support Lenny and the Bhoys.
Hail Hail
starry plough at 09:58
Has anyone given a reason as to why Easter Roads match commander saw fit not to report the sectarian chanting to the SPL after all Eddie Smith had boldly gone where no MC had ever gone before!!
Playing Devil’s Advocate here, I don’t think anything would have been achieved by a match commander reporting sectarian chanting at Easter Road. For one thing, it is the home team who would be held accountable and even if they did cite Rangers, the result would be that Rangers have done everything reasonably possible to prevent such chants. (This is the same as they said in the Celtic case).
I’m still waiting to hear why no-one reported St Johnstone fans last season for racist gestures and chants aimed at our South Korea players.
Mort
weeminger says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:00
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 09:52
‘I’m not really interested in their history’
That’s why you can’t understand why they’re introducing the legislation.
kitalba says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:03
Evidently it is ok for them to continue to knuckle drag their way through the latter part of the 17th century (or Larkhall as it’s better known).
This is what really irks me: the SNP are going after a bunch of young lads having a bit of a sing-song with the most minor of references to ‘the ra’ whilst continuing to allow such a sinister organisation parade their open hatred. (ah, but it’s ok, the marchers are fine, it’s the hangers-on apparently)
Henriks Sombrero says 14 December, 2011 at 09:36 Les Grey – not Less…
No typo there for me mate :>
^^last bit, tongue firmly in cheek, btw
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:01
Quite right to put “their” in inverted commas. It’s “our” product. We need the co-operation of all the other teams to draw in our sheckles. It’s only fair they get not only their cut but a degree of consideration.
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:06
Ok. I’m lazy. What in the future are they going to gain from this?
Surely the Match Commander at Easter Road should be charged with neglect of duty? More likely sorted out over a pint at the ludge.
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:04
Only latterly, perhaps. There’s little to suggest that they’ve been thus throughout their history. My mother, God rest her soul, was taught by a Westminster SNP MP who would not have had anything to do with the party had that been the case.
I think there’s an easy polarisation on this subject and the SNP currently have a number of individuals who are quite happy to be polarised in a particular fashion (more so in that it’s a very good vote winner in parts of this country).
What’s happening now is a very, very sad reflection
onof our country.ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:06
Sorry meant to add “because everything they have done so far has been about appealing to the masses. Until this.”
Celtic will be without three regular first-team players when they take on Udinese in their crucial Europa League match.
Joe Ledley, Glenn Loovens and Adam Matthews did not travel to Italy with the rest of his squad on Wednesday.
Kris Commons was also absent from the party, while Emilio Izaguirre travelled but will not play.
ST JOHNSTONE V CELTIC LIVE ON SUNDAY IF your local boozer has al jazeera.I just checked and its live on al jazeera channels 3 & 7.
Awe_Naw
If Celtic win and keep winning, all the CQN sabre rattlers and fireside fusiliers, will disappear.
It was ever thus.
Hail Hail
Mort
I was in the bottom corner at Perth that day. I approached a polis to draw his attention to this group of racists. I was told to sit down or risk being lifted.
I asked for his superior and was given a similar response.
Mort (Kano 1000) says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:06
Yeah I know Mate and that’s the galling thing as a Celt abroad to watch us a club get stitched up by these idiots, I for one don’t want to see us get involved in a tit for tat scenario, he said, she said, they said but it would be interesting to know under who’s directive Eddie was working under because it it’s down to individual policemen things could get a whole lot worse before they get better.
I doubt that many in Scotland are interested in being fair within the corridors of power, they just want to be seen as doing something in what they think is an election winning theme.
I really hope and pray that our team continue their run of wins as winning the title this year is imperative, to show those who would destroy us that we remain unbowed in the face of their cowardice and injustice..
C’mon you Bhoys in Green..
Froza Celtic Glasgow!
Anyone got any info on the Cliftonville v Coleraine game last nite..crowd trouble,Coleraine player attacked,pitch invasion.hope they wernt singing any Ra songs..