Following yesterday’s article on the cosy relationship between the police and Scottish Government, who are alarming a remarkably wide range of society, a flurry of information has been passed back to me, including the following notes on the Integration of Scottish Criminal Justice Information Systems (ISCJIS) database. The First Minister has stonewalled requests to breakdown religiously aggravated crime, claiming the Crown Office have destroyed their records, but my source suggests the information is available for analysis in the ISCJIS database. I’m told:
“The material stored (in the ISCJIS database) ranges from simple conviction records, to DNA, and social status. The data is used primarily for presenting Criminal History in court cases, and in identifying suspects in criminal investigations. It is also used of course to measure the social impact of changes in Legislation and Enforcement Policy, as evidenced by the current furore. It will also be used to predict the impact of such changes, particularly as regards Equality and Diversity impacts, which is a statutory requirement of any proposed Legislation. You see, the ‘missing’ data is actually necessary in predicting the impact on Equality of the Offensive Behaviour Bill.”
“Essentially, if you want to know how many Section 74 Breach of the Peace convictions (Aggravation for Religious Prejudice) or even charges, there were at a given point in time in a given court, you simply search on the Breach of the Peace Conviction Code and add the modifier code ‘P’ indicating Religious Aggravation. All such offences are then returned, with full access (rights permitted) to the Reports and Case Notes.”
To assist the First Minister, below is information on what the enquiry form he has to complete looks like. This is a link to the operation manual and if he’s really stuck he can call the helpdesk on 0141-585 – 8333.
We can only speculate why the authorities are so reluctant to disclose information on, on a subject so close to their hearts.
Quick shout for the John Thomson Memorial Fund, which is benefiting from the sale of 60″ posters for the recent stage play, check them out on ebay.
OFFENCE AGGRAVATION
DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence that adds to the Offence Code by highlighting particular circumstances relating to the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
DATA ITEMS: Crime/Offence Aggravator.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field – Alpha or Zero.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 1 character long and consists of an alpha code, which identifies the Aggravation to the offence committed. It is possible that a charge can have a combination of up to 6 aggravations. An aggravation description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Aggravation code into text to specify the nature of the Aggravation.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS – maintained by Crown Office.
CODES: Over page:-
CODE Aggravation Inactive indicator
Anticipated activation date
0 No Aggravation
A Anti Social Behaviour
B Offending whilst on Bail
C Cancelled
D Domestic Abuse
E Disability
F Football
G Football Banning Order
H Harassment
I Harassment Order
J Connected to Serious Crime Y October 2010
K Offence against a child
OFFENCE MODIFIER DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence which provides additional information for the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field. Alpha, numeric.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 4 characters long and consists of an alphanumeric code, which identifies additional elements of the charge. The code will consist of an alphabetic character followed by 3 numeric characters. If no modifier exists, 4 0’s (zeroes) characters will be transferred. An Offence Modifier description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Modifier code into text to specify the nature of the Offence Modifier.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS maintained by Crown Office
CODES:- See offence modifier codes. The current
definitions are:-
A For Class A Drugs
B For Class B Drugs
C For Class C Drugs
W For Weapons
L Breach of undertaking
Y October 2010
N Sexual Orientation
O Sex Offenders Order
P Religious
R Racial
S Sexual
Q Transgender
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hamiltontim says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:15
Ah, another good old Tayside ‘Officer Friendly’. I wonder if this was the polis.
ole sabre rattlers
hamiltontim at 10:15
Despite all the socalled offensive behaviour at football grounds over the past year or so, this display (even if it was only one or two) of overt racism was the most deplorable and yet no-one did anything about it.
Absolutely shocking especially when the Celtic supporter abusing Diouf (even though that was wrong) was jailed for his display.
Mort
coorslad is Neil Lennon at 10:18
In Edinburgh, this wouldn’t be an assault.
Mort
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:11
‘My mother, God rest her soul, was taught by a Westminster SNP MP who would not have had anything to do with the party had that been the case.’
Oh well, that’s me convinced.
No need to worry then.
Or actually know anything, just accept your third hand assurance.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
13 December, 2011 at 10:25
Been off and on the site and missed the invite to “the sound”? You don’t mean the Swan do you? If its near Sotckwell I can bunk out of the Christmas party (which is near Waterloo) and come down for a bit…
To Canalamar or whoever extended the invite… what pub & where again please.
Looking for help folks….can anyone recommend a good hotel in Rome from personal experience?Thanks
Long time lurker but was wondering if anyone can provide some advice about the Udinese ticketing;-
I have a couple of close friends thinking of heading down tomorrow from Regensburg, Germany… they are wondering…
1. Sold out ? (doubt it)
2. Will Udinese sell ‘Celtic End’ tickets directly ?
3. Will Udinese sell other tickets directly and up to kick off ?
4. Anyone know what section of the ground the Celtic Support will be in ?
5. Anyone got 2 spares !?
Many thanks to all for any help or advice,
SHANESTEETH
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:22
Glad we agree.
weeminger says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:12
Maybe Salmond’s got a blind spot when it comes to those of an Irish Catholic background.
Fair enough, we have votes, and he wants those votes, but deep down he’d prefer a Scotland without us. That at least would be in keeping with the spirit of those who founded the SNP. Not that you want to know anything about that. Ignorance is bliss and all that.
Mort,true,proven in court..
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:27
Amusing. You won’t take my proffered opinion yet accept ‘evidence’ based on something that happened five or six generations ago.
Some people are all in favour of Irish nationalism, but dead against Scottish nationalism. Strange, that.
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:31
The present evidence is the current legislation.
The explanation is to be found in the origins of the party.
jimmci says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:25
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ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:33
Evidence in the current legislation?
79caps says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:31
‘Some people are all in favour of Irish nationalism, but dead against Scottish nationalism. Strange, that.’
It’s only strange if you’re stupid.
Football news —-
Udinese Press Conference —–
In attendance – Benatia , a defender and Guidolin , the Manager.
I paraphrase —-
Journo —- Benatia—– do you think Udinese can win Serie A .?
Benatia—- Very hard . Highly unlikely . We are a small club. Juve and Milan are the favorites.
Journo — Any comments on Thursday’s European game ?
Benatia —– It will be hard. The players very much want to progress in Europe. We believe we have a realistic chance of winning that competition . Udinese have won nothing of note -most of the players have won nothing of note —- we should give it a go -we could win it .
Journo then asks Guidolin the same questions —
Guidolin offers up Udines’s Serie A ——- very unlikely- small club , small city , Juve and Milan are stronger , Juve and Milan are the favorites, our priority is an automatic Champions League place-mantra ..
In response to the European game question —- Guidolin said — Hard game —- typically British opponents—– We play Lazio on Sunday , we play Juve next week- I haven’t thought about Thursday night . I am having lunch with the President on Thursday . We will then decide who plays and how we will approach the game..
Make of that what you will .
Sion Quick News —-
The Court of Arbitration in support has announced that it will make it’s judgement on or before 23 12.
Warm and sunny @ 20 degrees -way down south
bournesouprecipe says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:14
Yeah I agree but if Celtic win the treble and also move hell and earth to save the hun I think it will be a watershed moment in our history despite the glory hunters
Those left and still on side (of which their will be many I agree – if we have just won) will be those Celtic fans that would prefer not to dwell on their Irish heritage, would prefer not to hear any Irish songs sung at Celtic Park regardless of content, disassociate themselves strongly with the Catholic church, will see Rangers as a strong and healthy rivalry and will be proud to tell the world about the intensity of the Old Firm battles etc. The glory hunting easily duped WWF contingent will have taken over the asylum.
If we dont win those glory hunters will be the ones with the loudest voices .. it was ever so
Hail Hail
ernie lynch
Your attempt to “explain” the SNP of today by reference to its origins is bunkum.
The Labour Party was originally set up to represent the working class in parliament. And today?
Bigotry is well represented in all Scottish political parties. Scotland’s leading bigot is the Labour Lord Foulkes.
Mort
It was approximately 20 of them. The officer chose to stand and watch them doing it, ironically ona day when ‘Show Racism the Red Card’ was being highlighted by all the players.
Dirtymac
If I’d been held in that crucifix position, would I also have been guilty of a Sectarian Breach of the Peace :)
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:33
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:31
The present evidence is the current legislation.
The explanation is to be found in the origins of the party.
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Ernie that is to quote Bill & Ted, Bogus!
Thats like saying this generation hold the same views of the world as our their individual, Great Great Great Grandfathers. People move on, so do political parties (well apart from the DUP & the BNP).
starry plough and other fine see que enners.
I am doing a mini gastro tour of Barcelona early in the
year.These affairs are not a bhoys boozefest but a quest to find and understand
wonderful food.
This is an early heads up if anyone would like to join me.
ernie lynch @ 10.35
With your arrogance you must be a very lonely guy.
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:35
79caps says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:31
‘Some people are all in favour of Irish nationalism, but dead against Scottish nationalism. Strange, that.’
It’s only strange if you’re stupid.
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Thats right you are a Republican and a Loyalist at the same time!
79 caps
its also equally strange that some folks who are pro Scottish nationalism are anti Irish nationalism
its strange that folks who are elected on the basis of Scottish nationalism are anti irish aspirations for the same
its also strange that songs celebrating Scottish nationalism are deemed patriotic and not illicit
79caps says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:38
ernie lynch
‘Your attempt to “explain” the SNP of today by reference to its origins is bunkum.’
Do you accept that the principal motivation for the foundation of the SNP was to combat the perceived threat posed to the Scottish race by Irish Catholic immigration?
hamiltontim says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:39
Worryingly, having followed the case since July, I’ve found no details of conviction.
Methinks the guy got off hun-free :-(
whitedoghunch
Will you be taking in the Roca Bros. Restaurant in Girona, seen it last night on TV, or have you eaten there?
greenjedi says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:40
Do you accept that the principal motivation for the foundation of the SNP was to combat the perceived threat posed to the Scottish race by Irish Catholic immigration?
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:42
Was the officer’s name Les Gray by chance :)
I’m Neil Lennon @ 10.42
I agree.
ernie lynch @ 10.42
Do you agree that the principal motivation for the foundation of the Labour Party was to represent trade unionists and working class people in Parliament?
I was undecided on independence. But the anti RC actions of the SNP and their devious attempts to hide the real facts about sectarianism has convinced me that independence and the Snp are both bad for RCs.
ernie
If Labour was to be voted back into power, in your opinion, would you expect them to either amend this legislation or remove it from statute?
Top of the morning to you all from a grey, cold, windy and wet Fife.
Offensive Behaviour at Football Matches Bill going through today live on here: http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/newsandmediacentre/30912.aspx
Not sure of the time but probably starting 2 or 3
I’ve been trying to put this into words so it hopefully comes across properly.
When I, a non RC, feel as sick and angry about this as I do,then no one will ever tell me this is NOT about religion.
They will allow Orange marches yet prosecute at football?? Whit..
Remember the chinese students standing up to the government?
The South Koreans doing the same?
They stood up for what they believe.there were tens of thousands.Don’t think it could happen? Well I never thought someone like Billy Graham could sell out Wembley. Anything is possible.
Well I for one would welcome it with open arms.
I would not be the only Celtic supporting non RC to do this,far from it.
They could never then come out with,this is a march because ‘The Catholics have a problem’!
No,it’s a march to show the total and utter bigotry in this country, which exists to favour one religion & no one will tell me otherwise.
I know i’m going over stuff covered on here many times,but if not one person in government can say ‘how can we persecute sectarianism at football,yet allow Orange marches?’ then I make no apologies for telling it like it is.
Pure and utter bigotry on all their parts. And don’t tell me people like Eddie Smith are RC yet stuck us in.
History is littered with people who can be corrupted for 30 pieces of silver.
I wish I had the money to live abroad,I mean that. I’d miss Celtic so much,but such is my depth of anger I feel it’d be a small price to pay to get away from these people.
I hate bringing up religion,deplore it. But what ELSE can it be!!!!
brimmer
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:44
greenjedi says:
14 December, 2011 at 10:40
Do you accept that the principal motivation for the foundation of the SNP was to combat the perceived threat posed to the Scottish race by Irish Catholic immigration?
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I’d say it was for Scottish Independance. One of the parties that merged to form the SNP was anti-catholic, but I’d say most parties in Scotland in the 30s where all anti-catholic.