Crucial question when club considers sacking a manager

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Celtic rested a goalkeeper, four defenders, two central midfielders, a striker and a winger, but were able to shine on against Championship Raith Rovers.  The 5-0 scoreline reflected the gap between clubs at the top of the Premiership and those mid-table in the division below.  Rovers manager Barry Robson is only six weeks in the job and is the third manager the club have had this season.  A turnaround will not be easy.

Raith sit two points below Queen’s Park, although the Kirkcaldy side have a game in hand.  Queen’s also have the burden of a Scottish Cup quarterfinal to contend with (in case you missed some of the weekend’s results).

Queen’s are in a miserable run of form.  They have lost five and drawn one and won one of their seven league games in the last two months.  Manager Callum Davidson seemed to have hit the wall, but can rely on his old modus operandi of winning Scottish Cup ties at Ibrox to keep himself in a job for a few weeks yet.

Saturday was the 25th anniversary of a pivotal moment in our modern history.  Championship side Inverness Caledonian Thistle knocked Celtic out of the Scottish Cup on 8 February 2000.  Celtic knew they could do better  and the following day manager John Barnes was sacked.

When a club considers sacking their manager this is always the crucial question: Can we do better, or is this acceptable?  I will go out on a limb here and predict Newco will not sack Philippe Clement after yet another humiliation.  Results like this are now accepted at Ibrox.  In a few years, the fans will be comfortably numb, humiliations will no longer hurt.

“Money”, is often Phil’s cited defence, but he was unable to rely on that excuse last night.  He also diverted blame away from himself and to the players, saying, “Today was nothing to do with tactics. It’s about the quality of the moment.”  Which is an interesting strategy.  His claim that Newco players “wanted it too much” suggests he had yet to watch a reply of Jefte at the Queen’s goal.

And that penalty kick!  Referee Calum Scott; hmmmm.

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  1. We haven’t paid any tax on the profits we made in the half year. We only pay tax on profits for the full year.

     

     

    Tax on half year profit is nominal

  2. Everything Celtic

     

     

    @aboutceltic

     

     

    𝙆𝙞𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙣 𝙏𝙞𝙚𝙧𝙣𝙚𝙮 – 𝙊𝙛𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙍𝙚𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜

     

     

    Celtic have officially confirmed that Kieran Tierney will join the club in July.

     

     

    Welcome home KT

  3. That doesnt read right, I dont mean they are well paid or over paid,front line clinical staff in the NHS arent with a difficult grading scale ladder to climb.

  4. celtic40me on 10th February 2025 7:32 pm

     

    We haven’t paid any tax on the profits we made in the half year. We only pay tax on profits for the full year.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Tax on half year profit is nominal

     

     

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    I know, i am just winding up any interlopers.

  5. Timbhoy163 on 10th February 2025 6:56 pm

     

    That £ 11 should have been invested on a Fanzone,that says it all about our club,they don’t care about the ordinary Celtic Fan who stand outside Celtic Park in all kinds of weather.

     

     

     

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    no consent from the council, thats it.

  6. Any transfer fees are spread over the duration of a players contract in the accounts.

     

     

    We would have had to anticipate half year profits of £44m this year in the last financial year and to include costs for players that would have brought our tax bill for the interims down to zero in terms of transfer fees alone would have needed to signed players worth £88m on 4 year contracts. Wages on top, so less fees but big wages. Wage bill goes up and all that entails.

     

     

    Our wage bill has already increased on last season. Since the accounts we’ve committed to Jota and KT. We are spending more, wage control is now more important than ever. If we aren’t able to carry on selling players for large profits, as seems likely with the abandonment of the development model we will find ourselves quickly dangerously close to UEFA spending limits

     

     

    The rest of the footballing world is falling into line with the financial reality, we need to be careful we don’t become one of the outliers, and start having to make short term compromises

     

     

    Boring but true.

  7. Would Celtic be likely to get planning permission from the same council for a new South Stand increasing the capacity of the Stadium to 70k with the transport issues already around CP?

  8. dessybhoy on 10th February 2025 7:26 pm

     

    Celtic plc seems to lack imagination on how to deal with all this money in the bank and by charging the prices they do for tickets merchandise etc the club turns a hefty profit regularly , how many season tickets does £11million buy? That is what we have handed back to HMRC.

     

     

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    I feel they dont know how to price things to allow for real sell outs, and only really care about maximising this (tickets) revenue stream.

     

    they lack imagination thhere for sure.

     

     

    but we cant deny they are spending record sums, both in highest transfer fees spent, plus more in pipeline, and barrowfield/celtic park / lennoxtown combines £18m spending over 24 months (looks likely)

  9. celtic40me.

     

     

    If we aren’t able to carry on selling players for large profits, as seems likely with the abandonment of the development model we will find ourselves quickly dangerously close to UEFA spending limits

     

     

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    i dont agree with that totally.

     

    we have several players still who may make an ambitious move to a bigger league. and attract big fees still.

     

    idah, kuhn, engels, maeda, reo,

     

    we are selling 30 year olds for £10m, who knows for jota and kt sometime again.

     

     

    we will sell when the player/agent combo strikes again.

  10. Thursday marks the 13th anniversary of administration day.

     

     

    As time passes the memories of what absolute carnage it was fade a bit. Accounts like those we published today should never be taken for granted

  11. Corporate tax is an inefficient tax – companies routinely and legally avoid it.

     

     

    That’s the main reason why Labour increased employer national insurance tax this budget as opposed to increasing corporation tax.

     

     

    We need to invest better and more efficiently to reduce this annual corporation tax bill. We’ve got 6 months to legally avoid handing HMRC £10million +. Invest it, Celtic.

  12. dessybhoy on 10th February 2025 7:46 pm

     

    Would Celtic be likely to get planning permission from the same council for a new South Stand increasing the capacity of the Stadium to 70k with the transport issues already around CP?

     

     

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    planning consent for construction is different from consent for event management.

     

    the traffic is avoided if people could turn up, park, go to the game, swipe their cards, then immediately turn and go home.

  13. An dun

     

    We need to invest 4 times the sum to avoid the tax.

     

    Overall tax is too complicated allowing loopholes everywhere

  14. An Dún on 10th February 2025 7:55 pm

     

     

    just close the loopholes. make them pay tax on sales in a country, thats it.

  15. SAINT STIVS on 10TH FEBRUARY 2025 7:52 PM

     

     

    I’ll bet we’ll only sell Kuhn and Engels for over £10m. Even Kuhn is getting a bit old for a big sale.

     

     

    Kyogo was a one-off – the second highest fee for a player over 25 going to a top five league who hadn’t played in one before. It was an exceptional bit of business.

     

     

    It’s not about the fees received, it’s about profit. Only Kuhn will give us the sort of profit we need for the model to work in my opinion, perhaps Engels but it would need to be a record breaking fee.

  16. “Timbhoy163 on 10th February 2025 6:56 pm

     

    That £ 11 should have been invested on a Fanzone,that says it all about our club,they don’t care about the ordinary Celtic Fan”

     

     

    FWIW, As long as they keep running Celtic so successfully, I don`t care that they ` don`t care about the ordinary Celtic fan`.

  17. Glasgow council tax is soon going to rise again well above inflation.

     

    Bayern supporters will pump much needed revenue into Glasgow, hotels, pubs, transport, shops etc etc.

     

    No wonder they will walk from Merchant City to the game, they probably have evaluated the options.

     

     

    Out transport situation at Parkhead is horrendous and whoever has planned it lives on a parellel universe.

     

     

    Many would suggest our match day experience is diminished by the transport infrastructure.

     

     

    Are Celtic supporters getting a fair crack of the whip ?

     

     

    I think not.

     

     

    HH.

  18. anyways, imaging you could go back and tell your 1994 version of yourself, will you quite worrying, there will be a time when you win so many trophies, you are world record holders, and you have so much money you will argue about paying tax on it.

     

     

    what are we like.

  19. AN DÚN on 10TH FEBRUARY 2025 7:55 PM

     

    Corporate tax is an inefficient tax – companies routinely and legally avoid it.

     

     

    Thats every tax dreamed up by man.

     

     

    Labour didnt increase corporation tax because they couldn’t. It was a manifesto pledge that they wouldn’t, they wanted to show they were serious about the economy and business and to show the city there was a clear difference between the party now compared to the previous leaders.

  20. Hope he has a worldie on Wed if he gets on. Fella does try very hard BR said he goes out after training working on things to improve.

  21. the long wait is over on

    BIGCHIPSUK on 10TH FEBRUARY 2025 2:23 PM

     

     

     

    Or, in other words, if it all works out as hoped/ expected ,

     

    in the last 15 years we have one 10 times as many domestic trophy as they have.

     

     

    If that isn’t a Generation of Domination , I don’t know what is.

  22. Evening all.

     

     

    Fantastic news on the positive financial profits.

     

     

    How should it be spent?

     

     

    Stadium upgrade?

     

     

    Million pound players, weekly, monthly, yearly wages.

     

     

    Within a mile spread of the East end of Celtic Park and spreading North, East, West and South, there are families who cannot feed or heat their children and families.

     

     

    Brother Walfrid, what do you think of these financial excesses?

     

     

    I love Celtic, I love beating that ‘mob’ but it’s a GAME of football. No children, irrespective of colour or creed, should be going to bed cold or hungry.

     

     

    I understand that Celtic have many positive community based initiatives and the marvellous work of the KANO Foundation

     

     

    However, when I hear how we should spend this HUGE amount of money, please remember why our club was established.

     

     

    Apologies for the long post.

     

     

    HH

  23. Imo, too much emphasis on TV football.

     

     

    Football without fans is nothing.

     

    Enhancing the match day experience should be priority.

     

     

    Keep GCC happy. Bring back the Brake clubs and make use of the empty cycle lanes. Hay , they would be the centaur of attention.

     

     

     

    HH.

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