You’re victim of a costly refereeing failure, what do you do? Celtic wrote to the SFA for clarification. There was no demand for censure of the officials or a ban for the Inverness player.
In 2011, when the SFA were victim of a costly refereeing error against Czech Republic, Association president, Campbell Ogilvie, took it upon himself to write to Uefa demanding the referee who failed to correctly interpret a penalty incident, be marked down, and that the player who dived is excluded from the remainder of the competition. The Daily Record glowingly reported the actions here.
The SFA set a precedent: after being hard done by, demand action against the referee. Don’t just let supervisory processes take their course. This is the standard set by Campbell Ogilvie.
“An SFA spokesman” also made it his business to brief a grateful media on the actions of Mr Ogilvie. This was a coordinated campaign by the SFA against a match official, as well as an attempt to circumvent process.
Is this fair enough? Well, I don’t remember an outcry at the time. A referee made a bad mistake in an important game. Standards should have been higher. The SFA would have been within their rights to say so, although they had no business trying to influence referee supervisory processes. If only we had a competent administrator who would realise this.
Celtic are within their rights to say standards should be higher now and instead of trying to mislead by suggesting no one in the ground was convinced Celtic should have had a penalty, the SFA should acknowledge that standards can and must improve.
Saying that would shut Celtic up and give them nothing to MORE complain about. Instead of being concerned by the actions of SFA referee chief Fleming.
What you will note is the utter contempt shown for your club by many for writing a letter asking for clarification, even from those who lauded Campbell Ogilvie for demanding a referee is demoted. Celtic are the last superpower standing after the Long Cold War, but we’ll always be the enemy to some. We may well win the next 30 league titles, but as long as Campbell ‘What school did you go to?’ Ogilvie is in charge at Hampden, you’ll know what we’re up against.
Great three points last night. Particularly delighted for Gary Mackay-Steven. He, and Stuart Armstrong, are still finding their feet at Celtic. It will be next season before we see the best of them (think Stefan Johansen circa April 2014), but the early signs are encouraging.
Big Virgil had a better record from free kicks than we had from penalties a couple of seasons ago!
Thanks to everyone who registered for the Foundation’s Ben Nevis climb yesterday, trying to get as many confirmed before tomorrow as possible. It’s on 13 June. Last year participants raised £45k, which fed the hungry, sheltered the homeless and aided others in need. Sign up here.
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TinyTim
14:55 on
23 April, 2015
BGX
I’m with you to a certain extent.
There is NO organised conspiracy against Celtic.
McLean was exercising his own bias .
He was pencilled in to take charge of the Celtic v Sevco League cup semi final.
Celtic made it known that he has Sevco leanings.
Paul67 even did an article on here explaining how inappropriate his appointment of that match would be.
Shortly afterwards he was replaced from the fixture and sent on some long standing UEFA
Ref’s course.
A convenient excuse .
The boy got his own back.
Then his fellow refs (some of whom also happen to be Ludge members)
Rally round to protect their own.
Not an organised conspiracy.
But cheating and a cover up just the same.
TT
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This thesis is highly plausible IMHO
so Sunday’s events were an organised reaction to a non organised but discernible personal bias.
and the SFA’s subsequent actions have been a disorganised plot to cover up the organisation of a non organised plot.
;-)
DonaldRumsfeldCSC
HH jamesgang
Then Geordie Munro trumps Donald Rumsfeld
it was always thus……..
HH jamesgang
How many free kicks has Vvd taken now?
Can’t be more than half a dozen.
Good ratio imo
HH
It’s times like these that the SFA wish Jabba was still at the Record to enlighten the paranoid Celtic fans to what actually happened.
Wishful thinking on my part but wouldn’t it be hilarious if the SFA told Celtic none of the six officials seen the handball only for Celtic to say they had a copy of the actual conversations and the ref behind the goal is screaming handball. As I said wishful thinking but it would be funny.
Any news on Meercats fate ??
Is it safe to log-on now?
I take it the BMX dude has blown up his tyre and he’s off-oot -)
BGX, I wouldn’t go as far as saying it was a fix. The football Community in Scotland is starkly divided, and Referees have not just dropped from the sky. They have grown up in Scotland they and their families are likely to have affiliations to one Club or another. I believe in most Countries Referees are totally concentrating on their own performance and don’t give a hoot who wins or loses a particular game.
I believe in Scotland that some Referees do have a personal interest in who wins or loses. For the most part it doesn’t affect their performance too much and they just do their job. On the big occasions they are more likely to give what they perceive to be a tight call according to their true feelings.
If McClean was at home watching the game by himself on TV, I believe he would be rooting for ICT, He wasn’t, he was reffing the game, look at the stills, there was no one in the way, he was looking straight at it. Alan Muir was even closer. My opinion, he thought, Oh No, handball, if I give it its a red card game over, and he didn’t give it.
Look at the way he reacted to Virgil questioning him, he acted like a psychopath, snarling disdainfully at Virgil.
Not a fix just an ingrained bias against Celtic.
BoscoBhoy02
that would be changed unidies all round!
some due to undue laughter.
for others, considerable fear that the truth would get out!
HH jamesgang
undies even!
Burgas Hoops
I think he is away playing on the see-saw wi Kev fae the Jungle!
I wonder McLean wishes he had given it now. Just a thought
if McLean
Jar Jar,
From the article you posted earlier the Dougie Douge incident was described as follows.
It turns out Dougie had just made a Hugh Jarse of it, tried to get his story straight with Craven after the match and told porkies in his match report.
It’s worth pointing out that while Craven agreed to go along with the porkies in the match report it was witnessing the lie being told to our manger that caused him to question his commitment to the conspiracy. Also missing from the article is the fact that Dallas, whilst in possession of the truth, went on national radio to repeat the lies told to our manager.
cv
boscobhoy02
Celtic have asked the question.
Dare they lie again?
cv
Corkcelt
15.12
Spot on.
As I said yesterday, the victims have now to be vilified.Murdo McLeod and Chic Young ‘s belief that Meekings should be reinstated because it’s unfair to miss a cup final was ridiculous.Never mind the rules, bend or break them completely but let Meekings play.There have been many a player missing from cup finals over the years but if you feel the rules are unjust change them but change them before the tournament begins.If the compliance officer fails to follow the rules,lets Meekings play and the guy then scores the winner, will all hell break loose again? and will that be our fault too? All this could be easily remedied,stop cheating us.
Paul,
We can all moan and groan all we like, Celtic, in the person of PL are complicit in the shady dealings of the SFA.
More to the point, Inverness became the latest supposedly inferior sides to dump Celtic out of a domestic cup competition.
As pointed out on Sunday,, Celtic had twenty seven minutes between scoring and the penalty incident to consolidate an early lead.
This is the real issue, an inability to go in for the quick kill after getting on top.
Jamesgang 15.12
Is that them unisex things?
………or thongs
Breaking news…….
SFA to use non Scottish match officials in season 15-16
said officials to be sourced from Norn Ireland, Rutherglen and Larkhall
HH jamesgang
quonno
Good post!
Clink\o/
15:29 on
23 April, 2015
Jamesgang 15.12
Is that them unisex things?
………or thongs
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your comment seems to presuppose that thongs aren’t unisex!
go with it big bhoy!
GokWanCSC
HH jamesgang
Oh! and Murdo McLeod believes as wee do that there was no way all the officials missed the incident,I don’t believe any in the vicinity missed it, but doesn’t think anything untoward happenedJust felt like not giving it I suppose.
“As pointed out on Sunday,, Celtic had twenty seven minutes between scoring and the penalty incident to consolidate an early lead.
This is the real issue, an inability to go in for the quick kill after getting on top.”
Quonno,
I’m struggling to find a polite way to disagree with that comment.
jamesgang
The new bhoys are coming over from Ireland.
:-)
theglasgowcelticway
15:27 on
23 April, 2015
As I said yesterday, the victims have now to be vilified.Murdo McLeod and Chic Young ‘s belief that Meekings should be reinstated because it’s unfair to miss a cup final was ridiculous.Never mind the rules, bend or break them completely but let Meekings play.There have been many a player missing from cup finals over the years but if you feel the rules are unjust change them but change them before the tournament begins.If the compliance officer fails to follow the rules,lets Meekings play and the guy then scores the winner, will all hell break loose again? and will that be our fault too? All this could be easily remedied,stop cheating us.
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I’m tempted to say that I want Meekins to play in the final and score the winner just to see some Falkirk-supporting journalist’s head explode. However, if the player does score in the final you can bet your bottom dollar that the narrative from the press would be – “See – we told you so. This only demonstrates why the player should never have been banned in the first place – we want to see the best players in a cup final. Shame on Celtic for getting him banned in the first place”. If there’s a way of them turning anything into an anti-Celtic diatribe then they will find it…
Geordie Munro
15:34 on
23 April, 2015
“As pointed out on Sunday,, Celtic had twenty seven minutes between scoring and the penalty incident to consolidate an early lead.
This is the real issue, an inability to go in for the quick kill after getting on top.”
Quonno,
I’m struggling to find a polite way to disagree with that comment.
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Let me try to help……!
Quonno – your point, while well made and evidence based is on this occasion tangential to the principal issue of hunnery pokery, skankery mankery!
HH jamesgang
Philbhoy
;-)
HH jamesgang
I heard Murdo McLeod saying he found it incredible that not one of the officials seen the incident. William Miller said the same but when Murdo said that Tom English said you can’t go down that road and you had to take the officials on their word otherwise you would sound like those conspiracy theorist uppity Celtic fans. Michael Gannon who wrote that article in the Record today is probably up in the editors office as we speak receiving the strap.
conspiracy theorist uppity Celtic fans is are rubbish!
Jamesgang,
Cheers mhan :)
Ach I just feel it’s nice to be gracious, magnanimous and all that but to suggest the Meekings incident and possible cover up is not the main issue is frankly bunkum imo.
HH
is are?
WT……..
are, obviously.
quonno
How about this scenario.
Celtic score to make it 1-0, 26 minutes later they are awarded and score a penalty. The team, now one man short, that have been defending manfully but have presented little in attack are now on the rack and resistance crumbles. Celtic go on to score several more goals as Inverness’ morale collapses.
Celtic reach a Cup Final with dreams of a domestic, debut season Treble still alive.
How many matches have you watched involving any team, at any level, where goals are scored every 2,3 or even 5 minutes? Basketball aside. Taking 26 minutes to score, potentially, a second goal is not totally Celtic’s fault, the opposition have something to say in that respect do they not?
Do I believe there is a institutionalised conspiracy to cheat Celtic at every turn? No.Do I believe officials make mistake in favour of and against Celtic and other teams.Yes.Do I believe that all three officials in the vicinity of Sundays incident missed it ?No chance in hell.
For me the 1966 World Cup Final was marred by 3 things…….
1. The absence of Pele
2. The appearance of England in it.
3. The fact that my Mother would not give birth to me for another 3 years (long gestation period in the Highlands!)
I’m going to ask Murdo Mcleod to do something about it.
HH jamesgang
Geordie Munro
15:55 on
23 April, 2015
Jamesgang,
Cheers mhan :)
Ach I just feel it’s nice to be gracious, magnanimous and all that but to suggest the Meekings incident and possible cover up is not the main issue is frankly bunkum imo.
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Frankly Bunkum – now there’s a moniker waiting to happen!!!!
HH jamesgang
My view on the ref scandal is pretty simple and I go back to the disallowed goal Marc Antoine Fortune scored against alan mcgregor, ruled out for an invisible infringement as an example.
If the ref gives a pro Celtic decision which turns out to be wrong (Especially against the monkey) he knows he will be slaughtered in the press.
If he gives a decision against Celtic which turns out to be wrong then the press will go easy on him, in fact before you know it will all be Celtic’s fault.
In the instant of making a big decision, the fear of the press fallout shapes that decision and is likely to make it go against Celtic.
Anything is else is just a bonus.
Ian Young rarely hit the headlines with his steady, unfussy defending on the right-hand side of the Celtic defence. He was content to be an out-and-our right-back who concentrated on making sure opposing left-wingers didn’t enjoy much success against the Hoops.
Here is the story of another great uncapped Celt.
http://www.cqnmagazine.com/?p=4760