You’re victim of a costly refereeing failure, what do you do? Celtic wrote to the SFA for clarification. There was no demand for censure of the officials or a ban for the Inverness player.
In 2011, when the SFA were victim of a costly refereeing error against Czech Republic, Association president, Campbell Ogilvie, took it upon himself to write to Uefa demanding the referee who failed to correctly interpret a penalty incident, be marked down, and that the player who dived is excluded from the remainder of the competition. The Daily Record glowingly reported the actions here.
The SFA set a precedent: after being hard done by, demand action against the referee. Don’t just let supervisory processes take their course. This is the standard set by Campbell Ogilvie.
“An SFA spokesman” also made it his business to brief a grateful media on the actions of Mr Ogilvie. This was a coordinated campaign by the SFA against a match official, as well as an attempt to circumvent process.
Is this fair enough? Well, I don’t remember an outcry at the time. A referee made a bad mistake in an important game. Standards should have been higher. The SFA would have been within their rights to say so, although they had no business trying to influence referee supervisory processes. If only we had a competent administrator who would realise this.
Celtic are within their rights to say standards should be higher now and instead of trying to mislead by suggesting no one in the ground was convinced Celtic should have had a penalty, the SFA should acknowledge that standards can and must improve.
Saying that would shut Celtic up and give them nothing to MORE complain about. Instead of being concerned by the actions of SFA referee chief Fleming.
What you will note is the utter contempt shown for your club by many for writing a letter asking for clarification, even from those who lauded Campbell Ogilvie for demanding a referee is demoted. Celtic are the last superpower standing after the Long Cold War, but we’ll always be the enemy to some. We may well win the next 30 league titles, but as long as Campbell ‘What school did you go to?’ Ogilvie is in charge at Hampden, you’ll know what we’re up against.
Great three points last night. Particularly delighted for Gary Mackay-Steven. He, and Stuart Armstrong, are still finding their feet at Celtic. It will be next season before we see the best of them (think Stefan Johansen circa April 2014), but the early signs are encouraging.
Big Virgil had a better record from free kicks than we had from penalties a couple of seasons ago!
Thanks to everyone who registered for the Foundation’s Ben Nevis climb yesterday, trying to get as many confirmed before tomorrow as possible. It’s on 13 June. Last year participants raised £45k, which fed the hungry, sheltered the homeless and aided others in need. Sign up here.
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jamesgang
16:01 on
23 April, 2015
Geordie Munro
15:55 on
23 April, 2015
Jamesgang,
Cheers mhan :)
Ach I just feel it’s nice to be gracious, magnanimous and all that but to suggest the Meekings incident and possible cover up is not the main issue is frankly bunkum imo.
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Frankly Bunkum – now there’s a moniker waiting to happen!!!!
HH jamesgang
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I heard Frankly Bunkum is expected to oppose Campbell Ogilve in the next SFA conclave…?
Natknow & Jamesgang
Isn’t he the Dutch guy who is one of the front runners to replace Blatter?
HH
If you think it’s bad wae McClean,wait till Rosemarys baby Dallas gets his cloven hoofs onto the same field as us.
BREAKING NEWS……..Grade 1 FIFA Referee Willie Collum,has been stood down for the rest of the season,and will almost certainly be de-listed as of next season,for not awarding a stonewall penalty to Sevco,against ICT in the Scottish Cup semi final at Hampden on Sunday. Mr Collum who is a Religious Instruction teacher at a Roman Catholic school,has been informed of this by Referees’ chief ,Dougie McDonald.FIFA Head of Referees,John Fleming,is monitoring the situation.Sevco have joined Kilmarnock,Dundee Utd,Ross County and Hamilton who have complained about strange decisions this season,it would have been Sevco’s 3rd penalty of the game,and almost certainly seen them through to May’ Scottish Football showpiece final.Mr Collum was unavailable for comment as he was at mass. All allegedly of course.
A wee bit of artistic licence of course,but it would never happen for a number of obvious reasons.The cover up continues,Muir was filmed shouting into his mic,what did he shout? The SFA are heavily under pressure here,if Muir was shouting it hit his face,no penalty or similar,why not let us hear the tape? Surprised a lipreader hasn’t been quoted to what was said.
Hello?
I think if we look back over the last few weeks we have not been playing all that well we have huffed and puffed in most games and not created a lot of goal scoring chances.I dont Know if the team is tired from all the games but Ronnys pressing game has not been seen recently I think on Sunday we were not our best and the Meekins fiasco really punctured a fragile Celtic team and last night when the game should have been over we allowed Dundee to come back at us.The fact is we were knocked out of a Cup competition by a smaller team who were not even playing on there own midden shades of the Lennon era . Ronny and his Celtic team are nowhere near the finished article there is an awful lot of work still to be done the Summer transfer market will be very important. H.H.
owen
15:57 on
23 April, 2015
quonno
How about this scenario.
Celtic score to make it 1-0, 26 minutes later they are awarded and score a penalty. The team, now one man short, that have been defending manfully but have presented little in attack are now on the rack and resistance crumbles. Celtic go on to score several more goals as Inverness’ morale collapses.
Celtic reach a Cup Final with dreams of a domestic, debut season Treble still alive.
How many matches have you watched involving any team, at any level, where goals are scored every 2,3 or even 5 minutes? Basketball aside. Taking 26 minutes to score, potentially, a second goal is not totally Celtic’s fault, the opposition have something to say in that respect do they not?
I do not dispute that the penalty incident, at the point it occurred, or did not occur, altered the course of the game.
However, had Celtic had the ability to cash in on an early lead, then the penalty incident would have been an irrelevance.
Ross County, Kilmarnock, St. Mirren, Morton and now Inverness represent a roll call of all too avoidable domestic cup failures.
leftclicktic
16:06 on 23 April, 2015
Hahahahahahaha….straight from the horses mouth…….brill
Geordie Munro
15:34 on
23 April, 2015
“As pointed out on Sunday,, Celtic had twenty seven minutes between scoring and the penalty incident to consolidate an early lead.
This is the real issue, an inability to go in for the quick kill after getting on top.”
Quonno,
I’m struggling to find a polite way to disagree with that comment.
Geordie,
No need to struggle. Unlike some, I have a pretty thick skin.
Geordie Munro
16:05 on
23 April, 2015
Natknow & Jamesgang
Isn’t he the Dutch guy who is one of the front runners to replace Blatter?
HH
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You’ll be thinking of Hertz Van Rental…? :-))
JFH said:
“Ronny and his Celtic team are nowhere near the finished article there is an awful lot of work still to be done the Summer transfer market will be very important. H.H.”
From the current first team,who would you replace to make us the finished article?
JJ
Once upon a time(10 years ago) I lived in The Scottish Borders, and I worked with adults with learning disabilities. Poorly paid but very rewarding in other ways.
My employer was a Borders based company who would happily appoint incompetent people as managers, so long as they were Borderers and connected, ken like. As you can imagine chaos ensued when the managers were largely less competent and less intelligent than the workers.
This gulf was never more evident than in a multi agency meeting, Care Commission bods were there, Local Government folks, charities and managers and staff from my employer. Me too.
A wummin manager from my employer (a level above my immediate manager) seated herself next to Care Commission guy, assuming that she could enhance her profile by so doing. That was until a document was handed round as part of a discussion topic.
The wummin manager says to the Care Commission guy
“Whit’s that word there?”
“What word do you mean?”
“That wan ‘intaegritti’. Whit does that mean?”
With great forbearance he replied “That word Madam, is integrity.” He did not attempt to explain it’s meaning to her.
Mr Ogilvie are you reading this. “The word Sir, is integrity.”
True story from a dark corner of modern Scotland.
Gerintaegritti CSC
http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/rangers/318228-spfl-clubs-vote-to-amend-insolvency-rules-at-hampden-general-meeting/
Missed a bit-Collum, who’s brother played for arch rivals Celtic, and controversially opted to play for the Republic of Ireland, instead of Scotland, the bestest wee bigoted country in the world…
Jungle Jim a great question we need a decent right back who wont be continually injured we as we all know are likely to lose both Centre Backs so that area needs to be addressed.I would like to see a left back who could defend midfield for me could be improved with a genuine ball player.I think we also need another winger and a goal scoring striker to move and sell Balde,Pukki,Boerichter,Wackaso,Tonev,Guidetti,Ambrose,Zaluski,Stokes,Matthews.So as I said a lot of work in the summer.H.H.
leftclick
“Team & “Club” are the terms used, I smell shite, por cierto
The Aberdeen based Press & Journal are running a Poll on who should be PFA Scotland Player of the Year.
We put this feature together as rather surprising the two Celtic players were beating Aberdeen’s Rooney. Have a look here:
http://www.cqnmagazine.com/?p=4769
If you can nip on and vote (takes ten secs) and if we could perhaps support Stefan Johansen (voted CQN player of the year). If we can win this them if it goes against the Celtic player we can make a reference to this.
It also noises up the sheep who are an increasingly horrible bunch.
Arguably, the biggest roadblock to change is denial.
My friends in Celtic,
This latest ridiculous decision by Scottish football authorities is now making us all a laughing stock. Josh Meekings is not the guilty partner here and can you imagine the outcry if this draconian, stupid and possibly illegal action was against one of our players prior to a Cup Final.
Everybody, but everybody knows it was as blatent a penalty as there ever could be, but in my opinion it was the wrong time for us to register a complaint. To outsiders of the Celtic family it reeks of “sour grapes” and bad losers.
We had ample opportunity to “take on ” the authorities, eg the Tonev farce and we did not.
We should have there and then.
I hope Meekings plays in the final, he is not the enemy and credit to RD for motivating his troops to achieve a vital very difficult 3 points.
Pesky work has been preventing me posting, but I have been lurking and witnessing the usual rhetoric of starving our club of funds. Renew your ST’s and as Mr Royle would say to the usual suspects ” Celtic supporters my a*se”
HH to all.
Quonno,
“And now Inverness”
I have a feeling Sunday wasn’t the first time they have done us in the cup :)
RWE
16:30 on
23 April, 2015
Arguably, the biggest roadblock to change is denial.
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I’m sorry but I refuse to believe that.
NatKnow
16:35 on
23 April, 2015
RWE
16:30 on
23 April, 2015
Arguably, the biggest roadblock to change is denial.
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Oh no it isint
Adam Johnson (Sunderland player) could go down twice this year
67ECW
Can not believe Craig Gordon has not been shortlisted for player of the year.:0(
Deny, Deflect, Defend
And now we can add
DEMONISE.
No conspiracy theory is too far fetched in my opinion.
Murray ran up a £900 million overdraft to try and kill us off. It’s still regarded as Rangers(deceased) ‘glory years’. After that nothing in this province surprises me.
NatKnow
16:35 on
23 April, 2015
RWE
16:30 on
23 April, 2015
Arguably, the biggest roadblock to change is denial.
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I’m sorry but I refuse to believe that.
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This simply can’t be true.
Greenpinata
I agree with part of what you’re saying.We are now being portrayed as a big bullying club who cannot accept a defeat. Problem is that according to a former compliance officer the action taken against Meekings would have happened anyway whether Celtic had asked for clarification or not.Because it was so high profile and the rules having been changed ,events should have unfolded like they have.When asked if Celtic’s intervention would have made a difference as to whether or not these events took place he answered “No” something that appears to have gone unnoticed in the media.
I predicted on Sunday that the media would be delighted if we made an issue of this.That they would drag out ex players to deny injustice.That we’d be portrayed as not being able to take defeat and paranoid/bigoted.
WC @ 16:28
Stefan still leading
http://www.cqnmagazine.com/?p=4769
Quonno,
A player stopping the ball going into the net with his hand was not us legitimately attempting to consolidate our lead? It may have been 27 minutes between the goal and the incident with a couple of missed chances by us in that period but surely if a player saves the ball from going over the line we did everything in our power to score but we’re stopped by illegitimate means.
surely you are not suggesting the old handicap applies of beating the ref as well as the opposition?
Your as bad as the guy that called Clyde to tell us that Celtic were hypocrits to complain because Joe Miller scored a goal from a shy we should never have got in 1989! I haven’t heard anything about the Nakamura free kick at Love street for a while but I’m sure that one will be wheeled out soon as well.
So we should be good enough in every single game to play against teams that are allowed to save the ball from going Over the line or is it only allowed once per game? It could be like a joker card.
I’ve just performed my own personal GIRUY to the forces of darkness that want to undermine me, my Club and my fhriends in Celtic by renewing my season book and the wee mhan’s too.
Strength in numbers Timdom
HH jamesgang
From Phil
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/amicable-discussions-and-plausible-deniability/
HH
Mike
JFH
Thanks for yor reply. Only a new back four and three others? Should be a dawdle for the scouts 0:-)
JJ
Jamesgang
About time , too 0:-)
JJ
Part of the problem for the officials on Sunday was the way the incident developed.This wasn’t a melly,tangle of legs with a player falling to the ground.Nor was in the type of handball event where you ask yourself “did it hit the arm and was it intentional?” As soon as the ball broke off the keeper everyone in the ground realised that it was falling perfectly for Griffiths who would inevitable score.Fans rose from their seats ready to celebrate, commentators voices were raised, officials crouched to get the perfect view, and then? everyone except the officials saw what happened. I cannot accept their story.
Phil describing our BRTH as touchingly niaeve?!
so who gave UEFA the letter?
Programme on channel4 this Monday night about Ashley sports direct.!!!!!!!!
JJ
My online account doesn’t recognise that I’m also the same guy who’s the season book holder!
So I have to call the expensive rate number to get some guy to do it for me.
Our systems ain’t great a times!
I agree that we’ll likely need an entire back 4 to replace departing stars and the oft-injured ones who will remain.
A lovely big horrible, fast, skilful, muscular, lithe, brutal, deft striker!
And a wee something of creativity and muscle in midfield.
You sourced the special bike. Job done. Get onto the playing staff big ghuy!
HH jamesgang