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Deserved away draw and two fortunate home Uefa draws

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Celtic got what they deserved at Rugby Park yesterday.  An inspired early goal by Ryan Christie limited the damage to two dropped points but that aside, Kilmarnock coped easily with everything Celtic could muster.  After being caught out by Christie, Danny Rogers in the Killie goal did not have a save to make for the rest of the game.  Who would have thought?

Post-match, Neil Lennon referred to Christopher Jullien’s slow start to last season.  After a poor performance at Fir Park he was dropped for the infamous defeat to Cluj at Celtic Park.  Chris got better then and he will do so again, but he lost Nicke Kabamba in dangerous positions three times in the first half.

He does not have problems with big stirkers, as was alleged on TV commentary; the significance of that goal by Lyndon Dykes at Livingston could not be more overstated.  But he is a big lad who clearly needs a better preseason.

Crossing was poor, control cumbersome and the physical battle was often too much.  The lack of physicality is a concern; we are small and light in several areas.  One of the hottest strikers in Europe spent much of the game a spectator, despite our most valued creatives playing.  It really was a team dropping points together.

The manager changed the shape of the team on 65 minutes but to no effect.  Olivier Ntcham had the last 10 minutes but by then Killie were settled and Celtic, increasingly desperate.  You know me and Olivier, I would have introduced him earlier.  Or, had him on from the start.

Neil has dropped points at Rugby Park before and he knows how to build a response.  No one was “thrown under the bus”, as he said later.  Until then, we have to live like others, not at the top of the table, for a change.

We are going to face a lot of packed defences this season and play on a few plastic pitches.  There can be no complaints, let’s just get better at overcoming both.

Given a choice of winning yesterday, or facing two away draws in Champions League qualification, I would take the draw with Killie and home times against Reykjavik, then either Ferencvaros or Djurdargens, the prospect we face after different types of draws yesterday and today.

Home ties until we are well into our season is a huge bonus.  There is still work to do, but the prospect of a Lincoln Red Imps rerun is receding.  Wish we could attend these games.

Sweden is Europe’s Covid herd immunity test case and the test has not gone well.  It remains to be seen what travel restrictions visitors from Sweden are in place when the second round takes place on 15 and 26 August.

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  1. SCAM WARNING – – WATCH OUT!!!!!

     

     

    This morning a fellow came to my door saying he was from the NHS and needed to stick his finger up my arse, to check for Corona Virus.

     

    I felt so stupid and cheap!!!!

     

    KINGLuBO

  2. BIG WAVY

     

     

    True. They’re a team set up to play against us and in Europe against better sides.

     

     

    That said, they’ll need a very lucky draw to avoid a play off exit.

  3. “In a bold move that is sure to upset some, the ruling body in charge of World Snooker has come up with a bold plan to accommodate fans in socially distanced environment.

     

    As of next spring, all Snooker matches will be played oootside on a raised bed of grass..

     

    …..it is felt..

     

    …..that this material sufficiently mimics the characteristics of green baize so that the Pro’s will soon adapt to playing on it………and a further benefit will be derived from bringing the game out into the open where ordinary members of the public will be able to pay and play…….When Donnie O’Sullivan was asked for an opinion on playing Snooker on grass….he asked that the interviewer contacted his solicitor directly.”

  4. HANKRAY on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:03 PM

     

    AKBW1888………..Hard to believe in the home countries that have such an abundance fertile green grassland that there would be any need for artificial football pitches. But it’s the harsh winters that take their toll and consequently the need in some cases for clubs due to financial circumstances to instal artificial surfarces. Playing football from Spring into summer would mean games played on the best possible natural surfarces which of course will never happen. We see it here in the ROI the pitches are all in great nick where the seasons begins in springtime.

     

     

    Yeah HankRay, it’s due to financial reasons, why Clubs are allowed to use plastic playing

     

    surfaces. I personally would prefer summer football in Scotland, to start each Season

     

    around the beginning of March domesticaly. The reason why, is that when European

     

    Qualifiers come around, we would be better prepared to challanges which lays ahead.

     

    & Also, it would bye pass bloody freezing weather in Scotland, in most of December,

     

    the whole of January, & the most of February, that’s if we have European Football

     

    beyond Christmas, it makes sense. However the majority of our Community do not

     

    want said ten month Calendar to change the way it is @ present.

  5. I like my stats and I listened to @JucoJames, an American data dude who analyses our games. He had a cracker of a podcast with Harry Brady recently which is worth a listen. His tweet today suggested a cracking attacking formation as follows if Neil persists in 3-4-2-1:

     

     

    Forrest McGregor Ntcham Frimpong

     

     

    Moi Eddie

     

     

    Ajeti

     

     

    Me likey :)

  6. Big Wavy, the Ajeti loan signing has not been confirmed on CelticFC.Net.

     

    Na 3-5-2 is better than 3-4-2-1 so that our midfield does not get over runned.

  7. I see Broonie taking lots of stick for yesterday’s draw

     

     

    Anyone see

     

    James Forrest, Mohamed Elyounousi, Calum McGregor, Odsonne Edouard, Jeremy Frimpong etc playing yesterday ?

     

    Several if not all of them posted missing as well

     

     

    PS we laughed at some Sevco player slicing the ball in Europe through the week

     

    How come Forrest escapes the same laugh, when he done such inside the 6 yard box yesterday

  8. AKBW1888 on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:27 PM

     

    3-5-2 is the magic combination.

     

     

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    Play the men in positions that will get maximum out of them (McGregor at number 10 perhaps and Eddie in a false 9 position with a striker in the box to support). De-risk the team formation.

     

     

    Last season our best defensive stats came with McGregor and Christie as 6 and 8…..

     

     

    Just cuts through all the cogntive dissonance BS we get that Brown is untouchable and Forrest is invisible.

     

     

    It’s a system thing. We have the talent.

     

     

    Amongst yesterday’s events have we finally reached a correction point? Has the substitution of Brown started the right thought process before it bites us on the arse (usually in a European match where we run out of luck). I watch St Mirren formation with interest.

  9. I see Broonie taking lots of stick for yesterday’s draw

     

     

    Anyone see

     

     

    James Forrest, Mohamed Elyounousi, Calum McGregor, Odsonne Edouard, Jeremy Frimpong etc playing yesterday ?

     

     

    Several if not all of them posted missing as well

     

     

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    They were ghosts, victims of also a crap formation. Odsonne’s heat map was exactly the same as against Hamilton last week but he’d no support. We play predominantly down the left (but Jamesey gets the flak for that), etc etc….Moi is not a left winger and floated around looking for a purpose.

     

     

    Broonie did what he did (Killie allowed him all the time in the world to play a No 6 role as they know he won;t hurt them)..

     

     

    Play the players to their strengths.

  10. remember that crisis, when celtic were behind motherwell going for 2 in row ?

     

     

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    2012-09-15: St Johnstone 2-1 Celtic, SPL

     

     

    Match Pictures | Matches: 2012 – 2013 | 2012-13 Pictures

     

    Trivia

     

     

    Celtic 5th, 4pts behind leaders Motherwell.

     

     

    Celtic lose first competitive match of season. Not won domestically for three games.

     

     

    Celtic: Forster, Lustig, Wilson, Mulgrew, Izaguirre, Forrest, Wanyama, Brown, Commons, Hooper, Miku. Subs: Zaluska, Nouioui, Rogne, Watt, Ibrahim, McGregor, Fraser.

     

     

    Review

     

    (Harry68 of KDS forum)

     

    We were absolutely dire.

     

     

    While the players might think it acceptable to just turn up for European games until such times as we no longer have an interest, there are thousands of Celtic fans shelling out fortunes to at least see the team on the park put in some effort.

     

     

    Despite the hysterical nonsense in the Scottish press we were never going to hump every team home and away and we wete always going to drop points around international and European fixtures but the least we desire is concerted effort from the players.

     

     

     

    Today was simply unacceptable from a Celtic team. Too many players were going through the motions.

     

     

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  11. NORRIEM on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:29 PM

     

    I see Broonie taking lots of stick for yesterday’s draw

     

    Anyone see

     

    James Forrest, Mohamed Elyounousi, Calum McGregor, Odsonne Edouard, Jeremy Frimpong etc playing yesterday ?

     

    Several if not all of them posted missing as well

     

    PS we laughed at some Sevco player slicing the ball in Europe through the week

     

    How come Forrest escapes the same laugh, when he done such inside the 6 yard box yesterday

     

     

    Norriem, BR got the best out of James Forrest when he was here, wee Lenny has his work

     

    cut out, in getting the same level of consistent performances, out of JF, that is for sure.

     

    Also, JF has to work on his decision level when he has the ball. For example he tries to

     

    shoot, when there are better options around him, & he tries to pass, when he should be

     

    more direct & go for goal.

  12. James Forrest, despite what the Antipodean bore might tell us, is not part of the problem.

     

     

    Getting the best out of James is the problem. When we play predominantly on the left as a system, how is that James fault on the right? At one point yestserday he was over there trying to play for a bit.

  13. BIG WAVY on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:33 PM

     

    AKBW1888 on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:27 PM

     

    3-5-2 is the magic combination.

     

    Play the men in positions that will get maximum out of them (McGregor at number 10 perhaps and Eddie in a false 9 position with a striker in the box to support). De-risk the team formation.

     

    Last season our best defensive stats came with McGregor and Christie as 6 and 8…..

     

    Just cuts through all the cogntive dissonance BS we get that Brown is untouchable and Forrest is invisible.

     

    It’s a system thing. We have the talent.

     

    Amongst yesterday’s events have we finally reached a correction point? Has the substitution of Brown started the right thought process before it bites us on the arse (usually in a European match where we run out of luck). I watch St Mirren formation with interest.

     

    Big Wavy, we played the 3-5-2 formation regularly, after the Winer Break last Season, & it paid dividends,

     

    are far as positive results where concerned.

  14. BIG WAVY on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:00 PM

     

     

     

    There are plenty of domestic games were we are getting tested by teams that do not park the bus.

     

    That’s up to Neil Lennon to work out.

     

    Off the top of my head..Rangers,Hibs,Aberdeen ,Motherwell away.

     

    When it turns into a defence v attack type affair we simply cannot afford to have an un-creative 36 year old defensive midfielder.

     

    In tricky European qualifiers Browns experience is worth the risk.

     

    In elite European group stage matches his selection is certainly debate-able as more often than not against top level midfielders he will be dominated .

     

    Scott Brown could still be a really useful asset this season if he is used correctly.

     

    What I would not want to see is some early bad results and bad performances by Brown resulting in a bit of a shit storm against him.

     

    Neil Lennon’s management of this will be interesting and possibly definitive to our season.

  15. ” In a bold move that will shock many, the Heid Bummer of Gowf World has introduced a controversial new plan to have Gowf Courses the world over relaid with a synthetic surface that resembles grass in colour and texture – but is in fact made oot of recycled shopping bags and used tin-foil hats.

     

    Apparently the new surface will facilitate broader use of Gowf courses allowing, off-road biking, hikers and junior Motocross to take advantage of more outdoor activity areas………..”

  16. Yesterday we had the antipodean quim, who NEVER posts when we win a trophy or even when we play well, with 14 posts. Nothing constructive about the team but attacks on a member of our staff who he has personal problems with.

     

     

    There are Tims out there that I don’t get on with, in fact I was always reminded as a bhoy that our ain kind can be the worst, but I leave that at the door when I come on here.

     

     

    The only person that seemed to converse with him posted about heated driveways etc, mibbees just mibbees he’s got 2 addys and now talks to himself.

  17. JF’s regular performance level, is a mystery.

     

    BR managed to motivate JF, when he was there.

     

    However, NFL is finding this task difficult to achieve.

     

    I’ve got the answer, we should drop wee JF, for a match or two,

     

    & he will soon up his match level performance, that’s for sure.

  18. In tricky European qualifiers Browns experience is worth the risk

     

     

    – He’s not. Loads of data out there to back that up. He’s up against younger, fitter, more technically gifted players and we are open through the middle as a result. Not his fault. He’s too old to play that role now.

     

     

    What I would not want to see is some early bad results and bad performances by Brown resulting in a bit of a shit storm against him

     

     

    – What I want to see is some good coming from yesterday and we learn to deviate from creating unnecessary risk in the middle with Scott in it. Bring SB as a late impact sub to close out the opposition. His instincts are there, his leadership is needed at that time and the opposition will have tired soemwhat.

  19. AKBW1888 on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:52 PM

     

    JF’s regular performance level, is a mystery.

     

    BR managed to motivate JF, when he was there.

     

    However, NFL is finding this task difficult to achieve.

     

    I’ve got the answer, we should drop wee JF, for a match or two,

     

    & he will soon up his match level performance, that’s for sure.

     

     

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    Nonsense. Side to side Brendanball at least saw some action for James. Lennyball currently has us all left sided and easy to play against. James, as the facts stack up, is a cracking asset to have when played correctly.

  20. “Our CEO is more concerned about his heated Drive Way, & heated Garden Lawns, & Garden pathways”

     

     

    Oh dearie dearie me. Nothing like a bit of constructive criticism eh? por cierto

  21. JF scoring record for last 3 seasons is the same 17,17, 16 (curtailed season).

     

     

    He had 17 assists in the league in 29 games.

     

     

    More than any season under Brendan, with less games,

     

     

    so how has he become less effective under Neil, when the stats are better ?

     

     

    Asking for a friend

  22. GOOGYBHOY on 10TH AUGUST 2020 4:03 PM

     

    Hail hail not been in for a while.

     

     

    Get oot while you can bud :)) por cierto

  23. Fear makes people make bad choices.

     

     

    I Know Neil is Fearless/Pragmatist.

     

     

    Time is Timeless.

     

     

    Do not Fear winning 10 in a row.

     

     

    Adidas wullnae like it but just do it.

  24. BIG WAVY on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:53 PM

     

    In tricky European qualifiers Browns experience is worth the risk

     

    He’s not. Loads of data out there to back that up. He’s up against younger, fitter, more technically gifted players and we are open through the middle as a result. Not his fault. He’s too old to play that role now.

     

    What I would not want to see is some early bad results and bad performances by Brown resulting in a bit of a shit storm against him

     

    What I want to see is some good coming from yesterday and we learn to deviate from creating unnecessary risk in the middle with Scott in it. Bring SB as a late impact sub to close out the opposition. His instincts are there, his leadership is needed at that time and the opposition will have tired soemwhat.

     

    Big Wavy, with Broony nowadays, it’s horses for courses. Broony is now 36 years of age, which is an

     

    old man in modern day football. Years ago one could get away with playing 36 year olds, in all matches,

     

    however the tempo of the games, is a bit faster nowadays, & so is the fitness level.

     

    Broony has done well, to be playing @ 36 years of age, however their is no shame, in accepting that

     

    one is not as quick, as one use to be as years roll on bye. So you are right Big Wavy, we should be using

     

    Broony, more sparringly this Season, the reason why NFL likes Broony in his side, is because he has a

     

    presence about him, & can normaly break up play, & make good passes, in other words a holding player

     

    normally in midfield. However, when Broony is not playing, we tend to get the ball more quicker, from

     

    back to front. However, we should also be looking for, a holding type of a player replacement, to hold

     

    down the midfield. A player who is like a water carrier, from the well. I’m afraid we have asked Broony

     

    too many times, to go too the well, & ancient time is taking its toll.

  25. BIG WAVY on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:57 PM

     

    AKBW1888 on 10TH AUGUST 2020 3:52 PM

     

    JF’s regular performance level, is a mystery.

     

    BR managed to motivate JF, when he was there.

     

    However, NFL is finding this task difficult to achieve.

     

    I’ve got the answer, we should drop wee JF, for a match or two,

     

    & he will soon up his match level performance, that’s for sure.

     

    Nonsense. Side to side Brendanball at least saw some action for James. Lennyball currently has us all left sided and easy to play against. James, as the facts stack up, is a cracking asset to have when played correctly.

     

    So you reckon that NFL is playing JF out of position?

     

    Also, when BR was our Manager, JF was a better player, for @ least the whole of the Invincible

     

    Season. Even the fellow I go with, to all our Home matches @ CP, noticed the difference as well.

  26. AKBW1888

     

     

    We have better performing players to do that than Brown now. That’s the issue. We either treat this season as a big sentimental thank you to Scott and accept the risks (in results) that go with it or we start playing horses for courses and getting the best out of our talented squad (and in certain areas we need to supplment)

     

     

    Many advocate the former but with a huge dose of cognitive dissonance in them, will scream like a banshee when the result is risked.

  27. So you reckon that NFL is playing JF out of position?

     

     

     

     

    No. We are left-leaning team. We’re unbalanced. Easy to predict. It’s even the space Eddie comes into each game. Leads to the issue of an invisible James.

  28. as Eggs are… whit came first….. the CHICKEN….Or de Egg.

     

     

    Gerrard has Massively improved Sevco.

     

     

    Do not fall asleep because another Title was Won.

     

     

    Europe is where its @.

     

     

    Wake Up.

     

     

     

     

    .

  29. BIG WAVY on 10TH AUGUST 2020 4:21 PM

     

    AKBW1888

     

    We have better performing players to do that than Brown now. That’s the issue. We either treat this season as a big sentimental thank you to Scott and accept the risks (in results) that go with it or we start playing horses for courses and getting the best out of our talented squad (and in certain areas we need to supplment)

     

    Many advocate the former but with a huge dose of cognitive dissonance in them, will scream like a banshee when the result is risked.

     

    Broony has already had his Testimonial Year, it’s time for him to step aside, & let our squad be

     

    utilized to it’s full potential, & by the way NFL, we are allowed to use five substitutes now, in

     

    domestic football matches, not just three. So if players are not performing well on the pitch,

     

    then they should be taken off asap, & give other players in our squad, a chance fairs fair.