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Our old friend Cognitive Dissonance was at play again last night.  Hearts manager, Paolo Sergio, seemed to accept Stephen Elliot’s second minute attempt was cleared so quickly officials might not have had a chance to ascertain if it crossed the line, but he tried to reconcile his frustration at this reality by publicly adopting a position which, on reflection, he should accept is in contravention to the rules of the game.

Elliot’s attempt struck Joe Ledley, who was standing on the line with his arms stationary and by his side, before being cleared by Fraser Forster.

Sergio said, “If you don’t see the ball over the line then you should see the handball which is a penalty and a red card.”

It’s scarcely credible that the Hearts manager is unaware of the rules of the game which clearly establish that for a handball offence to be committed the player needs to deliberately use a hand or arm to play the ball, not have the ball played against his stationary hand or arm.

No one had much of a clue whether the ball had crossed the line or not until after watching multiple TV replays and even then, while I can understand the attacking team claiming a goal, TV evidence does not provide conclusive proof that the whole of the ball crossed the line.

This will no doubt be the source of Sergio’s frustration; his team could have taken the lead but didn’t.  Armed with this frustration he then created a false scenario which allowed him to reconcile his feelings of grievance.

What a shower.  Struggling to operate in the SPL and pay tax, disorganised team structure and afflicted by football’s Cognitive Dissonance epidemic.

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  1. Lennon n Mc....Mjallby on

    If Celtic couldn’t compete with the EPL’s lower lights we wouldn’t have Joe Ledley for starters.

  2. Broonie takes a phone call from Craig Whyte looking for a tap.

     

     

    \o>

     

     

    Broonie hangs up.

     

     

    \o^

  3. Anyone else feel a tad sorry for Willie Collum last night. he was just in a poor position unable to see clearly if the ball was completely over the line.

     

     

    Now if he had been standing with his back to play instead of looking straight at it, he’d have no doubt seen it as a goal.

     

     

    Unlucky Willie, you can’t win em all.

     

     

    Mort

  4. I hear that a mother has been complaining on a hearts forum that young ball boys and girls were withdrawn from the field last night because of coins being thrown and verbal abuse from some of our support.

     

     

    If this is true, who are these scumbags and why are we not self policing? What kind of idiot throws coins and shouts at kids?

     

     

    Grrrrr.

  5. South Of Tunis on

    Sapins FC ——

     

     

    Sapins are pine trees,

     

     

    Very apt for a big lump of wood like Cousin.

  6. In tribute to Kittoch who seems to have started something magical, I got these texts today…..

     

     

     

    Some say ghosts sit around the fire talking about him,

     

    and that he can do a wheelie on a unicycle

     

     

    All we know is he’s Victor Wanyama.

  7. I make no apology for posting the following extract from a piece by George Monbiot in Monday’s Gaurdian.

     

     

    It nicely backs up a long-held view I have had of the demographic distinction between ourselves and der hun …

     

     

    Over to you, philvis … ;-)

     

     

    Raisingthetone.CSC

     

     

    —–

     

     

    LIBERAL CONSTIPATION

     

     

    Conservatism is linked to low intelligence; but the real idiots are the progressives letting it win.

     

    By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 7th February 2012

     

     

    Self-deprecating, too liberal for their own good, today’s progressives stand back and watch, hands over their mouths, as the social vivisectionists of the right slice up a living society to see if its component parts can survive in isolation. Tied up in knots of reticence and self-doubt, they will not shout stop. Doing so requires an act of interruption, of presumption, for which they no longer possess a vocabulary.

     

     

    Perhaps it is in the same spirit of liberal constipation that, with the exception of Charlie Brooker (1), we have been too polite to mention the study published last month in the journal Psychological Science, which revealed that people with conservative beliefs are likely to be of low intelligence (2). Paradoxically it was the Daily Mail which brought it to the attention of British readers last week (3). It feels crude, illiberal to point out that the other side is, on average, more stupid than our own. But this, the study suggests, is not unfounded generalisation but empirical fact.

     

     

    It is by no means the first such paper. There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood (4). Open-mindedness, flexibility, trust in other people: all these require certain cognitive abilities. Understanding and accepting others – particularly “different” others – requires an enhanced capacity for abstract thinking.

     

     

    But, drawing on a sample size of several thousand, correcting for both education and socioeconomic status, the new study looks embarrassingly robust. Importantly, it shows that prejudice tends not to arise directly from low intelligence, but from the conservative ideologies to which people of low intelligence are drawn. Conservative ideology is the “critical pathway” from low intelligence to racism. Those with low cognitive abilities are attracted to “right-wing ideologies that promote coherence and order” and “emphasize the maintenance of the status quo” (5). Even for someone not yet renowned for liberal reticence, this feels hard to write.

     

     

    This is not to suggest that all conservatives are stupid. There are some very clever people in government, advising politicians, running thinktanks, writing for newspapers, who have acquired power and influence by promoting rightwing ideologies.

     

     

    But what we now see among their parties – however intelligent their guiding spirits may be – is the abandonment of any pretence of high-minded conservatism. On both sides of the Atlantic, conservative strategists have discovered that there is no pool so shallow that several million people won’t drown in it. Whether they are promoting the idea that Barack Obama was not born in the US, that manmade climate change is an eco-fascist-communist-anarchist conspiracy or that the deficit results from the greed of the poor, they now appeal to the basest, stupidest impulses, and find that it does them no harm in the polls.

     

     

    Don’t take my word for it. Listen to what two former Republican ideologues, David Frum and Mike Lofgren, have been saying. Frum warns that “conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics.” (6) The result is a “shift to ever more extreme, ever more fantasy-based ideology” which has “ominous real-world consequences for American society.”

     

     

    Lofgren complains that “the crackpot outliers of two decades ago have become the vital center today” (7). The Republican party, with its “prevailing anti-intellectualism and hostility to science” is appealing to what he calls the “low-information voter” or the “misinformation voter.” While most office holders probably don’t believe the “reactionary and paranoid claptrap” they peddle, “they cynically feed the worst instincts of their fearful and angry low-information political base”.

     

     

    The madness hasn’t gone as far in the UK, but the effects of the Conservative appeal to stupidity are already making themselves felt. Yesterday the Guardian reported that recipients of disability benefits, scapegoated by the government as scroungers, blamed for the deficit, now find themselves subject to a new level of hostility and threats from other people (8).

     

     

    These are the perfect conditions for a billionaires’ feeding frenzy. Any party elected by misinformed, suggestible voters becomes a vehicle for undisclosed interests. A tax break for the 1% is dressed up as freedom for the 99%. The regulation that prevents big banks and corporations from exploiting us becomes an assault on the working man and woman. Those of us who discuss manmade climate change are cast as elitists by people who happily embrace the claims of Lord Monckton, Lord Lawson or thinktanks funded by ExxonMobil or the Koch brothers: now the authentic voices of the working class.

     

     

    But when I survey this wreckage I wonder who the real idiots are. Confronted with mass discontent, the once-progressive major parties, as Thomas Frank laments in his latest book Pity the Billionaire, triangulate and accommodate, hesitate and prevaricate, muzzled by what he calls “terminal niceness” (9). They fail to produce a coherent analysis of what has gone wrong and why, or to make an uncluttered case for social justice, redistribution and regulation. The conceptual stupidities of conservatism are matched by the strategic stupidities of liberalism.

     

     

    Yes, conservatism thrives on low intelligence and poor information. But the liberals in politics on both sides of the Atlantic continue to back off, yielding to the supremacy of the stupid. It’s turkeys all the way down.

     

     

    References:

     

    1. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/05/daily-mail-calls-rightwingers-stupid

     

    2. Gordon Hodson and Michael A. Busseri, 5th January 2012. Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes: Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact. Psychological Science February 2012 vol. 23 no. 2 187-195 doi: 10.1177/0956797611421206 http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187.full.pdf+html

     

    3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study–conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html

     

    4. E.g.:SW Keiller, 2010. Abstract reasoning as a predictor of attitudes toward gay men. Journal of Homosexuality, 57, 914–927.

     

    Ian J. Deary, G. David Batty and Catharine R. Gale, 2008. Bright Children Become

     

    Enlightened Adults. Psychological Science, Vol 19, 1. pp 1-6.

     

    Lazar Stankov, 2009. Conservatism and cognitive ability. Intelligence 37, 294–304.

     

    5. Gordon Hodson and Michael A. Busseri, as above.

     

    6. http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/

     

    7. http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

     

    8. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/05/benefit-cuts-fuelling-abuse-disabled-people

     

    9. Thomas Frank, 2012. Pity the Billionaire: the hard times swindle and the unlikely comeback of the right. Harvill Secker, London.

  8. Mort says:

     

    9 February, 2012 at 15:16

     

    Anyone else feel a tad sorry for Willie Collum last night. he was just in a poor position unable to see clearly if the ball was completely over the line.

     

     

    Now if he had been standing with his back to play instead of looking straight at it, he’d have no doubt seen it as a goal.

     

     

    Unlucky Willie, you can’t win em all.

     

     

    Mort

     

    +++++

     

     

    Certainly, he would not have not seen the handball and would not have not awarded a penalty.

  9. Just watched last nights game for the third time on SS1, the only person that would have awarded that “goal”

     

    would have been a certain Russian linesman circa 1966.

     

     

    Hail! Hail!

  10. dirtymac at 15:18

     

     

    Betting the wigs at SFA were going through the rule book to see if they could award a goal and a penalty and a sending off.

     

     

    Even so, 2-0 down we’d have still won 3-2 :-)

     

     

    M\o/rt

  11. Bampot 15.16

     

    I think you will find that it was the Hearts scum supporters that were throwing objects at Matthews ,when he was taking throw-ins,in the first half.

  12. Lennon n Mc....Mjallby on

    Bampot

     

     

    Did the police try and arrest anybody for it after the complaints they would’ve got?

  13. I make no apology for posting the following extract from a piece by George Monbiot in Tuesday’s Gaurdian.

     

     

    It nicely backs up a long-held view I have had of the demographic distinction between ourselves and der hun …

     

     

    Over to you, philvis … ;-)

     

     

    Raisingthetone.CSC

     

    —–

     

     

    [For full text & references see: http://www.monbiot.com/2012/02/06/liberal-constipation/ ]

     

     

    LIBERAL CONSTIPATION

     

    February 6, 2012

     

     

    Conservatism is linked to low intelligence; but the real idiots are the progressives letting it win.

     

    By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 7th February 2012

     

     

    Self-deprecating, too liberal for their own good, today’s progressives stand back and watch, hands over their mouths,

     

    as the social vivisectionists of the right slice up a living society to see if its component parts can survive in isolation.

     

    Tied up in knots of reticence and self-doubt, they will not shout stop. Doing so requires an act of interruption, of presumption,

     

    for which they no longer possess a vocabulary.

     

     

    Perhaps it is in the same spirit of liberal constipation that, with the exception of Charlie Brooker (1),

     

    we have been too polite to mention the study published last month in the journal Psychological Science,

     

    which revealed that people with conservative beliefs are likely to be of low intelligence (2).

     

     

    Paradoxically it was the Daily Mail which brought it to the attention of British readers last week (3).

     

    It feels crude, illiberal to point out that the other side is, on average, more stupid than our own.

     

    But this, the study suggests, is not unfounded generalisation but empirical fact.

     

     

    It is by no means the first such paper. There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in childhood

     

    predicts greater prejudice towards people of different ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood (4).

     

    Open-mindedness, flexibility, trust in other people: all these require certain cognitive abilities.

     

    Understanding and accepting others – particularly “different” others – requires an enhanced capacity for abstract thinking.

     

     

    But, drawing on a sample size of several thousand, correcting for both education and socioeconomic status,

     

    the new study looks embarrassingly robust. Importantly, it shows that prejudice tends not to arise directly

     

    from low intelligence, but from the conservative ideologies to which people of low intelligence are drawn.

     

    Conservative ideology is the “critical pathway” from low intelligence to racism. Those with low cognitive abilities

     

    are attracted to “right-wing ideologies that promote coherence and order” and “emphasize the maintenance of the

     

    status quo” (5). Even for someone not yet renowned for liberal reticence, this feels hard to write.

     

     

    This is not to suggest that all conservatives are stupid. There are some very clever people in government,

     

    advising politicians, running thinktanks, writing for newspapers, who have acquired power and influence

     

    by promoting rightwing ideologies.

     

     

    But what we now see among their parties – however intelligent their guiding spirits may be – is the abandonment

     

    of any pretence of high-minded conservatism. On both sides of the Atlantic, conservative strategists have

     

    discovered that there is no pool so shallow that several million people won’t drown in it. Whether they are

     

    promoting the idea that Barack Obama was not born in the US, that manmade climate change is an

     

    eco-fascist-communist-anarchist conspiracy or that the deficit results from the greed of the poor, they now

     

    appeal to the basest, stupidest impulses, and find that it does them no harm in the polls.

     

     

    Don’t take my word for it. Listen to what two former Republican ideologues, David Frum and Mike Lofgren,

     

    have been saying. Frum warns that “conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system,

     

    with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics.” (6) The result is a “shift to ever more extreme,

     

    ever more fantasy-based ideology” which has “ominous real-world consequences for American society.”

     

     

    Lofgren complains that “the crackpot outliers of two decades ago have become the vital center today” (7).

     

    The Republican party, with its “prevailing anti-intellectualism and hostility to science” is appealing to what he calls

     

    the “low-information voter” or the “misinformation voter.” While most office holders probably don’t believe the

     

    “reactionary and paranoid claptrap” they peddle, “they cynically feed the worst instincts of their fearful and angry

     

    low-information political base”.

     

     

    The madness hasn’t gone as far in the UK, but the effects of the Conservative appeal to stupidity are already making

     

    themselves felt. Yesterday the Guardian reported that recipients of disability benefits, scapegoated by the government

     

    as scroungers, blamed for the deficit, now find themselves subject to a new level of hostility and threats from other people (8).

     

     

    These are the perfect conditions for a billionaires’ feeding frenzy. Any party elected by misinformed, suggestible voters

     

    becomes a vehicle for undisclosed interests. A tax break for the 1% is dressed up as freedom for the 99%. The regulation

     

    that prevents big banks and corporations from exploiting us becomes an assault on the working man and woman.

     

    Those of us who discuss manmade climate change are cast as elitists by people who happily embrace the claims of

     

    Lord Monckton, Lord Lawson or thinktanks funded by ExxonMobil or the Koch brothers: now the authentic voices of

     

    the working class.

     

     

    But when I survey this wreckage I wonder who the real idiots are. Confronted with mass discontent, the

     

    once-progressive major parties, as Thomas Frank laments in his latest book Pity the Billionaire, triangulate

     

    and accommodate, hesitate and prevaricate, muzzled by what he calls “terminal niceness” (9). They fail to

     

    produce a coherent analysis of what has gone wrong and why, or to make an uncluttered case for social justice,

     

    redistribution and regulation. The conceptual stupidities of conservatism are matched by the strategic

     

    stupidities of liberalism.

     

     

    Yes, conservatism thrives on low intelligence and poor information. But the liberals in politics on both sides

     

    of the Atlantic continue to back off, yielding to the supremacy of the stupid. It’s turkeys all the way down.

     

     

     

    FF

  14. Ceaser67 says:

     

     

    He clatttered big Mick McManus at Ibrokes, in what was common assuult, Mick eventualy had to be subbed.

  15. brimmer 'kano 1000' on

    Bampot (nee DubaiBhoy) (nee LondonBhoy) says:

     

    9 February, 2012 at 15:16

     

     

    My young nephew was in 2nd row behind goal last night. Just spoke to him.

     

     

    He basically said…wait for it…Your well named.

     

     

    Total bollocks. He would have seen it, their would have been a heavy police/steward presence if such an event took place. It WOULD have made the MSM.

     

     

    But hey, if a mother on a HEARTS forum says it, then by all means bring it on here.

     

     

    Let me tell you in all my years following Celtic away i’ve not once seen ball boys or girls abused in any way, not once.

     

     

    brimmer

  16. There were various objects thrown from both sets of supporters last night. A young Hearts’ supporter, around 9 years of age, was led away clearly having been struck on the head by something. It was unclear from which direction the missile had come from.

  17. fan

     

     

    I saw a steward move quickly to that area as the stewards who were nearest and facing the crowd did nowt. What happened after that I dont know.

  18. lennon's passion on

    KINGLUBO says:

     

    9 February, 2012 at 15:08

     

    Meant to say.!!

     

     

    Neil and the team have given us a team to be proud of , so now it’s up to us to fill CELTIC PARK every home game from now until the season ends, no excuses. We must do our bit and get vital money into the club.

     

     

    Hail Hail and Hail again

     

     

    KINGLuBO

     

     

    Hun like statement,team has to be very good before attending. It’s easy to follow the team when they are flying. Did you write this piddle when we were 15 points behind.

  19. lennon's passion on

    Bampot (nee DubaiBhoy) (nee LondonBhoy) says:

     

    9 February, 2012 at 15:16

     

    I hear that a mother has been complaining on a hearts forum that young ball boys and girls were withdrawn from the field last night because of coins being thrown and verbal abuse from some of our support.

     

     

    If this is true, who are these scumbags and why are we not self policing? What kind of idiot throws coins and shouts at kids?

     

     

    Grrrrr.

     

     

    Never happened but don’t let that stop you putting the boot into Celtic fans.

  20. lennon’s passion at 15:39

     

     

    A bit harsh but I do agree with your overall sentiments. Its very easy to support the team when winning, not enough people support the team when things aren’t going so well.

     

     

    It’s when 1-0 down or 1-0 up and holding on that we need to support to be at its brilliant best.

     

     

    M\o/rt

  21. Rickmansworth Bhoy on

    /Unlurk

     

     

    After Broony had scored our first goal last night, after the Jambo goal tannoy had died down and after I had stopped laughing, I generally wished that Lennon would have instructed the lads to walk the ball into our own net, negating the advantage then destroying them.

     

     

    Lurk/

  22. Ceaser67 at 15:38

     

     

    Daniel is traveling tonight on a plane.

     

     

    ******

     

    …..it looks like Daniel.

  23. thomthethim at 15:50

     

     

    Ceaser67 at 15:38

     

     

    Daniel is traveling tonight on a plane.

     

     

    *****

     

    …..it looks like Daniel.

     

    *****

     

    … must be the stars in your eyes.

  24. !!Bada Bing!! Kano 1000 on

    the long wait is over says:The Huddleboard has got an Evening Times back page just after Cousin left Poundland,it says he would rather be at Hull than play for the huns.

  25. Bampot (nee DubaiBhoy) (nee LondonBhoy) says:

     

    9 February, 2012 at 15:16

     

    I hear that a mother has been complaining

     

     

     

    Read this story on the Huddleboard this morning. It originated on Follow Follow, so I’d have to guess it was true.

  26. Bampot

     

     

    Ballboys are not allowed on the field, maybe that is why they were withdrawn?

     

     

    P1sh Hun story anyway, never happened.

  27. What time is Cousin meeting Aluko to thrash out the deal?

     

     

    Incredible to hear McCoist, repeatedly the public clown in his transfer dealings so far, making the same open pronouncements today about how much he wants Cousin and having spoken to him at length etc etc. If he doesn’t land a free agent he’s either making a rod for Whyte’s back or just a plain old clown, and if he does land a 35 year old who hasn’t had a contract offer at any level of football for over a year, then he’s a clown.

     

     

    When WGS signed Dion Dublin he signed a professional who had been at the very top of the game to play a bit part and to bring on youngsters. Dion was a very limited success. Signing Cousin as the answer to their striking position is utter desperation.

     

     

    However this one ends it is great news and to be honest I just can’t get enough!

  28. lennon’s passion says:

     

    9 February, 2012 at 15:39

     

     

    A bit of a harsh and aggressive statement from yourself towards a fellow celtic supporter. One who posts on here regularly and has the manners not to have a pop at others.

     

     

    Lubo.

  29. On the situation regarding ball boys. Echo another poster that Celtic supporters in all my time watching football haven’t put a kids life in danger. Wasn’t there last night but the Jambo’s are stoking up their fans hatred of everything Celtic with pitcures of broken seats on facebook and other places.

     

    When Celtic are winning a lot of people are unhappy!

     

     

    LB

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