Our old friend Cognitive Dissonance was at play again last night. Hearts manager, Paolo Sergio, seemed to accept Stephen Elliot’s second minute attempt was cleared so quickly officials might not have had a chance to ascertain if it crossed the line, but he tried to reconcile his frustration at this reality by publicly adopting a position which, on reflection, he should accept is in contravention to the rules of the game.
Elliot’s attempt struck Joe Ledley, who was standing on the line with his arms stationary and by his side, before being cleared by Fraser Forster.
Sergio said, “If you don’t see the ball over the line then you should see the handball which is a penalty and a red card.”
It’s scarcely credible that the Hearts manager is unaware of the rules of the game which clearly establish that for a handball offence to be committed the player needs to deliberately use a hand or arm to play the ball, not have the ball played against his stationary hand or arm.
No one had much of a clue whether the ball had crossed the line or not until after watching multiple TV replays and even then, while I can understand the attacking team claiming a goal, TV evidence does not provide conclusive proof that the whole of the ball crossed the line.
This will no doubt be the source of Sergio’s frustration; his team could have taken the lead but didn’t. Armed with this frustration he then created a false scenario which allowed him to reconcile his feelings of grievance.
What a shower. Struggling to operate in the SPL and pay tax, disorganised team structure and afflicted by football’s Cognitive Dissonance epidemic.
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Have we ever witnessed such a dramatic turnaround, since the huns beat us 4-2 in September? The fortunes of the respective clubs have spiralled in opposite directions, and in many ways.
The great comebacks of 79, 86 and 08 will be overshadowed if and when we go on to win this league and treble.
hh
Coins ??????
What about Neil Lennon getting attacked
…. and what happened there
Die Die Die Die Yah Huns
Die Die Die Die Yah Huns
E Am
Die Die Die Die Die Die Die Die Die Die
Dm
Die Die Die Die Die Die Die Die Die Die
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Die Die Die Die Die Die
Die Die Die Die Yah Huns
Die Die Die Die Yah Huns
Those were the days CSC
paks bhoy says:
9 February, 2012 at 16:47
Not got tickets but there are a few Celtic friendly bars in Edinburgh. The Phoenix down Broughton street usually OK even when we play Hibs.
I would head to the ground and look for a ticket and head to Middletons in Easter Rd to watch the match if you don’t get a ticket. It’s full of away fans usually.
Hope you get a brief and enjoy auld reekie!
LB
3 Coins in a fountainwell
FF indicate that huns have infiltrated the CFC support for Swinecastle.
Said huns through coins at children.
Said huns return to FF to report this.
Que media lining up for a ‘story’
as true as any other story they can get out of this.
HH
9 February, 2012 at 16:25
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/106668-ball-boysgirls-having-to-be-moved/page__st__40
Hearts fans are being goaded by the press to report the coin throwing from Celtic fans to them. If anyone was there has video proof or anything please get in touch.
Celtic are winning and it’s clear operation blacken Celtic’s fans has started.
The Evening News has a responsibility to highlight these instances. Can you drop me a line at david.mccann@edinburghnews.com please.
The Herald are interested in doing a story on this as well. Can you call Brian Donnelly on 0131 240 0270
brian.donnelly@theherald.co.uk
This is unheard of for me. Do the press ever post on CQN asking for stories?
Anyone who can give the proper story MUST get in touch with the press to even this out. If Celtic fans were innocent ensure it is reported.
LB
So called hearts fans matey, logged on to FF last night and he put up an article on it.
I dont know why a hearts fan is logging in to FF though hmmm.
Mo Johnston is on the verge of a dramatic comeback to Scottish football. Having honed his skills as a manager in Canada and the USA, Mo Johnston is ready to answer Ally McCoist’s call and slip on his Adidas Sambas. Johnston, 107, has agreed to forego wages. It is understood that if Johnton plays 10 games, it will trigger the so-called “tracksuit” clause in his contract entitling him to 5 trackie tops and bottoms of various sizes. Mr White is known to have personally sanctioned the deal, as evidenced by sacrifice of his own trackie bottoms (currently borrowed by Kenny McDowall). There is concern that the club will be unable to honour the clause, with a number of tracksuits having been burned the last time Mr Johnston was an employee…
Re the Laffatme rumour .
Could the appearance thing be the reason they allegedly tried to flog him for 1.5m at the end of the window .
Also on cousins arrival ,could this be because Celiks old club are looking for compo of 240,000 and the player says they are due it .
I can see the headline now
ALLY SEES CELIK DISAPEARING OVER THE HORIZON .
hail hail
Forgive my ignorance but could someone tell me Paul67’s email address?
Thanks in advance.
maleye
Using Mark Hateley`s logic, Johnston will be an even better signing as he will be totally refreshed not having played at all for years.
JJ
See these wee “c” `s?
jj
Son of Gabriel
Stop apologising for things you haven’t done :)
Rickmansworth Bhoy, Swindon Bhoy
Welcome to both of you.
Get posting on here now!!
celticquicknews@gmail.com
old man broon the man ow the month for jan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
january wit year?????????????????
I’m not a billionaire but I do have some companies of my own, and they have registered office(s) in London. The shelf company set it up for me for £250 each. I also have thousands of workers, one of my companies is involved in ant farms
The Co-Op will be on the FF banned list as they are doing half price Haagen Dazs ice cream.
I thought the ball boys were withdrawn because of the amount of abuse that was coming from the stands and I’m not talking about the Celtic end. Most of their fans were going nuts and hurlying abuse at any man and his dug, I even recall the ball being thrown at a Hertz player, in an obvious attempt to hit him, and that was from the lower main stand i.e. Hertz fans.
Me thinks there was a decision to withdraw the boys because of the above and nothing to do with coins. Just a thought!
Cheers Hen1rik
In light of what’s been on this site today, I’ve just sent the below email to Brian Donnelly at the Herald and David McCann at his paper in Edinburgh.
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Brian and David
I was interested to see your addresses on a Hearts forum today, asking for information about an alleged incident at last nights game. This involved coins being thrown at ball boys/ball girls etc.
Perhaps you are unaware of this, and if so then fair enough. If you are aware of it then I have a couple questions to ask.
Is it standard procedure for your papers to trawl fan sites, looking for controversy? Or is this a new thing?
Let me be clear; if such incidents took place, they should be highlighted and the police involved. Those kind of actions have no place anywhere.
Have Hearts been approached for an official statement? Has Celtic? Have the police?
Because to run this story without confirmation from the clubs would be recklessness of the most incredible sort.
I have CC’d Paul Brennan of Celtic Quick News in on this email, and will declare right now that I am one of the features writers and assistant editor of our fan publication CQN Magazine. You may or may not have heard of us, but that is by the by. Our last three issues have had phenomenal viewing figures (we are a digital publication) and we have recently started to put together proper printing runs. Issue 6, just out, will be our second print issue.
The reason I mention this is that I would be interested in doing a follow up story, for Issue 7, on the media’s role in promoting Scottish football, and the wellbeing of the game, and I hope I can do so in a positive light. But frankly, if this is how the media finds stories, and how it tries to have a balanced, reasoned debate, it is no wonder we still have high levels of tension between supporters.
Right now these are rumours, and without a clear comment from the clubs themselves, confirming them, and/or statements from the police which suggest they have foundation, my article will name you both and call this a blatant attempt to create a controversy and a reckless and potentially damaging act. I intend to share this email with relevent parties at the Celtic Supporters Association, the Celtic Trust and elsewhere, so they too might highlight this matter should it turn out these stories are the fevered inventions of a demented imagination.
Furthermore, I have seen similar stories run on the basis of “un-named sources” as corroboration. If you intend to write the stories on the basis of un-named sources I will consider them to be highly suspect and I will be writing to Celtic, to Hearts and to the local police for an on-the-record confirmation, and will use their replies in any article I write. I will also further the finished texts of my article to your rival publications and other interested parties.
I also intend to publish this letter tonight on the Celtic Quick News blog.
These stories appear to have first surfaced on a Rangers site, Follow Follow, and I have some doubts as to their veracity. If they turn out to have foundation, I for one hope you do write them and that they lead to the persons involved, whomever they might be, being caught and prosecuted to the full limit of the law. If they remain unconfirmed I will regard their publication as a grossly irresponsible act, which seeks to do nothing more than damage the reputation of the Celtic support, and the game of football in this country as a whole.
James Forrest
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As I’ve said above, if there is foundation to these claims I want them investigated so people can be caught, charged and prosecuted. If there is no foundation to them, if neither club goes on the record and accepts them as fact, if the local police do nothing and do not confirm them, then I will write this up as a story about the press seeking to create an issue where there is none.
I am sick and tired of crap like this surfacing whenever we are on a good run.
Wel ldone james forrest !!!! HH…we are no longer at the back of the bus
Re: Was at the Hearts v Celtic game tonight
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Originally Posted by thomyorke_legend1
In section G in the Wheatfield Stand (opposite the main stand), the section right next to the away fans. I have a few friends who are Jambos so went with them. Lower Section G is season ticket only, I had bought a ticket for F but was easily able to just walk into section g.
It was the most atmospheric and heated section of the Hearts support and it was clear that they hated Celtic – with Rule Brittania, Fathers Advice, One John Wilson, Glasgow Celtic Paedophiles etc getting chanted by most in the section.
However, what was noticeable was the way in which the police would focus on the Hearts support, yet ignore the Celtic support.
At Half Time, a coin was thrown from the Celtic support towards our section. 2 rows below me a boy, no older than 8/9 had been hit. He looked hurt and a first aid team had to assist him and take him away for further treatment, the Celtic fans were almost celebratory in this. Will this reach the newspapers tomorrow? You can answer that yourselves.
I went to the toilet and returned to my seat to see 2 more coins thrown towards our section, narrowly missing 2 of my friends. Absolutely raging, my pal asked a steward what they were going to do about it and was told ‘if the Celtic fans were caught on camera they will be chucked out’, I can’t imagine anything will be done!
During the game you had the usual sea of insults from Celtic fans to Hearts fans and vice versa. The Celtic fans waved their tricolours and the Hearts fans had their Union Jacks out. Yet time and time again, the stewards were approaching Hearts supporters to calm down and to not antagonise the Celtic fans. We looked over. Where the Celtic fans being given similar treatment? No chance.
IRA and rebel songs were chanted time and time again (‘oh ah up the ra’, ‘Boys of the old Brigade’ etc). As these were being chanted, Hearts fans shouted at the police and stewards asking what they were going to do, nothing was the general response. One steward (clearly a hearts fans) even said she wished fans would be arrested but was powerless to do anything. So the Hearts supporters in the section began sing ‘the famine is over, why don’t you go home’. As 2 lines of this were chanted, a police officer marched over shouting at the section that this would not be tolerated and anyone who continued to chant this would be arrested. Was the same done to the Celtic supporters chanting IRA songs? I’ll let you guess.
A boy may be 3 rows infront me pulled out a Union Jack flag. It had a red hand of Ulster on it. He seemed to be warned once about presenting it, and on showing it again had the flag taken off him and was thrown out. Again, you had Celtic fans waving tricolours, basque and other ‘political’ flags at the Hearts fans. Did the police ever bother to tell them to stop this? I’ll let you guess.
Everytime Celtic scored you had fans jumping their barrier (the section next to the Hearts fans was closed to them, unlike us) and running towards the home fans. These fans, despite travelling quite a distance to antagonise the home fans, were merely escorted back to where they should be and left to get on with it.
Anyway, just thought I’d share my experience! My Jambo pals were absolutely outraged at the behaviour of the Celtic fans tonight and want us to win the league But I was quite concerned at the double standards on show by the police and stewards at the game. On the back of the stewards coats I noticed many had ‘Celtic travelling stewards’ on them. Yet when Celtic scored, they weren’t interested in what the Celtic fans were doing, but were facing the Hearts supporters and then pointing out to other stewards anything that was being sung/chanted by the home fans!
Interesting read mate thanks for sharing ,i’ve always had a soft spot for the Jambos my late mother was a hertz fan ,tarriers seem to be untouchable in Scotland now and are the darlings of the phress pack .Meanwhile the majority of the countrys’ football supporters are persecuted for protesting against their vile chants and songs .
Bhoys original post from FF.
Quite an aggressive email James.
Just a thought but if it was FF mudraking and if these guys were not involved or interested, well they are now!
I appreciate your anger mate, I really do, but for what it’s worth I think if you were going to contact them then a phone call might have been the way initially rather than veiled threats with CQN as your collateral. Do you kmow anything about these guys. My guess is they are human.
I know you love the constructive critiques! :)
Just got the following reply from David McCann.
“Hi James,
I am a regular reader of your articles on CQN. I have had confirmation of events as well as comment from Lothian and Borders Police, Hearts and Celtic.
Best wishes,”
So some of our supporters appear to have disgraced the name of our club. If he does, indeed, have comment from Celtic, Hearts and the police then I hope they find the people who did this and remove them from our midst. Disgusting behaviour, appalling in every way and deserving of harsh punishment.
James Forrest
It will be interesting to see if the press, assuming they write the story, balance it out by mentioning the abuse dished out to Scott Brown about his sister or Hearts fans spitting at Adam Matthews.
Mort
swindonbhoy says:
9 February, 2012 at 16:32
Welcome Swindonbhoy to the best Celtic forum in the known universe.
Are you one of the bhoys from the Tap and Barrell??
CF
Mort:
Having got that reply, I would suggest the guy McCann at least will play with a straight bat.
The bigger issue is how we get rid of anyone in our support who thinks this is the right way to represent the great name of our football club.
Well done James.
Good to see how the new media can really can now challenge the old media and their lazy journalism.
Thanks.
Lubo.
I have had confirmation of events as well as comment from Lothian and Borders Police, Hearts and Celtic.
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that is, confirmation of events from unknown sources but not from police and the clubs
swindonbhoy
Welcome aboard.
HAIL HAIL
James Forrest
well put !
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hail hail
Vote for independence when the time comes !
Ron Bacardi:
Sounds to me like Celtic have given him something on the record. We shall see.
It would be crazy not to consider that we do have some people amongst our support who do not belong there. The incident at Inverness, with this coming hot on the heels … bad signs of something seriously out of whack with some of our followers, and I can only hope it gets sorted out fast.
Tomorrow we’re all going to have to wade through some pretty horrendous reporting. And some of the people holding the pens will be our enemies, and loving every minute of it. But this does not appear to be one of those cases where the media is stirring the soup …. this appears to be a bad situation, and something we need to confront as a club.
unusual………….very smelly.
Ready to sit back here in Spain and enjoy hearing the Cousin spin machine going into overdrive on SSB. Apparently Barca and Madrid were interested in him before the Gers swooped.
Ron Bacardi says:
9 February, 2012 at 17:52
You beat me to it, there is nothing in that sentence which confirms the allegation. let’s see what he produces before we accept guilt especially since the source is from FF!!
James F
Don’t know if you saw my points but with this in mind, have either clubs made reference to, or comment on the Hearts fans throwing coins at us or the individual who clearly made an attempt to spit on Matthews?
I see Craig Brown pipped Ally McCoist to manager of the month.
ulysses mcghee says:
9 February, 2012 at 17:59
I see Craig Brown pipped Ally McCoist to manager of the month.
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which month, which year
if this year was for eating pies
Wao !
I never saw David Mc Cann name on any message board when this happened
Celtic supporter stabbed inside Invernessstadium
Police have appealed for information after a Celtic supporter was stabbed inside Inverness Caledonian Thistle’s stadium on Saturday.
The 23-year-old man, from Glasgow, was taken to Raigmore Hospital following the incident.
He later left the hospital after the wound to his face was stitched.
The assault happened in the south stand, the away end, of the ground at the half-time interval of Celtic’s Scottish Cup match with Inverness.
A Northern Constabulary spokesman said officers were investigating the incident and were examining CCTV footage from the stadium.
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I dont recommend printing your email address on a forum. Quite often IT experts that dislike the intimations render the email address practically useless.
HH
uly
You’re incorrect. Apparently it was a toss up between Brown and John Greig!