Our old friend Cognitive Dissonance was at play again last night. Hearts manager, Paolo Sergio, seemed to accept Stephen Elliot’s second minute attempt was cleared so quickly officials might not have had a chance to ascertain if it crossed the line, but he tried to reconcile his frustration at this reality by publicly adopting a position which, on reflection, he should accept is in contravention to the rules of the game.
Elliot’s attempt struck Joe Ledley, who was standing on the line with his arms stationary and by his side, before being cleared by Fraser Forster.
Sergio said, “If you don’t see the ball over the line then you should see the handball which is a penalty and a red card.”
It’s scarcely credible that the Hearts manager is unaware of the rules of the game which clearly establish that for a handball offence to be committed the player needs to deliberately use a hand or arm to play the ball, not have the ball played against his stationary hand or arm.
No one had much of a clue whether the ball had crossed the line or not until after watching multiple TV replays and even then, while I can understand the attacking team claiming a goal, TV evidence does not provide conclusive proof that the whole of the ball crossed the line.
This will no doubt be the source of Sergio’s frustration; his team could have taken the lead but didn’t. Armed with this frustration he then created a false scenario which allowed him to reconcile his feelings of grievance.
What a shower. Struggling to operate in the SPL and pay tax, disorganised team structure and afflicted by football’s Cognitive Dissonance epidemic.
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Agreed
If he’s been on the Hearts forum mentioned he’ll have seen the references to Scott Brown from Hearts own fans.
Stupid, stupid behaviour from our supporters (if it was our supporters and not some infiltrators but past events show our own are no angels) and you’re right, they should be rooted out and banned if they can’t behave. We don’t need this, we have more than enough decent supporters without a few bringing us down.
I know its extreme and possibly detrimental to the team but we need to show we aren’t going to stand for this and so refuse tickets for some away games or be a lot more selective about who gets tickets.
Do we know if its Celtic or Hearts who allocate these tickets?
Mort
Phase 3 whataboutery begins…
Their favourite past time – just putting ‘Celtic players are thugs’ into second place is ‘Celtic fans are scum’
Tie this to a cry for anti-fenian goal line technology and they can comfortably occupy the front and back pages…
I won’t be listening to the phone in but I’ll bet there’s a – we’ll never know what might have happened if that genuine goal was allowed to stand…
U
Mort
The majority of tickets for the away end last night were issued directly from Hearts.
So David McCann had some tit for tat complaints about coin throwing, sitting in his office wondering whether to publish, then receives an email informing him of the outrage of the deputy editor, and on behalf, of one of the best reader grossing Celtic supporters forums on the web.
Hmmmm.
James, I cannot agree with how you have intervened here. The guy’s reply is short, sweet and condescending. No bravado, GIRUY, I’m running the story. He’s got a straight bat? What on earth in his reply makes you say that? Cos he reads your articles?
Not happy.
Heavy day in Glasgow City Council too by the looks of it.
I think life in this city is going to be very interesting in the next year.
I have actually started to believe Labour might lose overall control. Absolutely mad.
BlantyreKev:
The guy says he has comment from all three organisations.
We’ll see what they are.
On another note … “problems” with the Cousin signing!
Who’d have thought that?
Willie McKay slagging Whyte on Snyde re Cousin.
Mort, FYI
all applications have to be made directly to HMFC ticket office,,
Celtic take no part in distribution for tickets at Tynecastle
How much more embarrasing can it get at Ibrox?
Jesus … if they can’t sign a free transfer, after the manager has stated his intent to sign him, what the Hell are things coming to over there?
I am astounded at that. Astounded.
willie mckay – Birmingham have offered 20,000 a week for Cousins, Rangers 5,000. Looks like deal is off.
One of the things that amuses me about CQN is the CQN lexicon which , if not unique to CQN , is definitely instantly recognised and understood by CQNers.
No doubt I’ve missed loads so feel free to add to my CQNesauraus , which is in no particular order.
I starting thinking about this because of the last addition…
Podium?
Kano
Pablo
Thumbsup
Cognitive dissonance
Succulence
Thousandaire
MBB
Mibbery
Hunguffery
Radio Shortbread
Snyde
Ned Flanders
Duffield
Castle Greyskull
Ipox
Mordor
Poundland
Minty
Moonbeams
The Cardigan
FPLG
Sally
Whataboutery
Laugherty
The Orcs
Laptop Loyal
Forces of Darkness
The Darnel
Gollum
and , of course,
Ice cream and Jelly
brendan b
I don’t think that’s quite accurate. I’m sure that Celtic still receive an allocation from Hearts which is distributed amongst the Investor Club.
Willie McKay saying on SSB that he’s amazed
Rangers are in this position! Ha ha!!
Show me the money
Dont know if there is a connection but there was strong indications on FF yesterday that they planned to infiltrate our support last night with some of them being recognised as they tried to get the train back to Glasgow. Might be worth checking this out. As for the journo’s reply he makes a statement that initially seems to confirm the story, but on scrutiny appears to be little more than bluster. I hope none of our fans were involved in anything like this, but whether they were or not I can see forces that will use any excuse to derail us at present
There is a bad element to every support. I’m worried that some fans are looking at games against Hearts as a way of getting back at them after the attack on NL last season.
If a small minority of fans continue to sing dross like the Celtic Symphony and behave like Huns we will make the press happy.
I don’t want to see our hard won reputation destroyed by idiots who are more concerned with themselves than Celtic.
If fans have thrown coins they deserve to be punished. We need to be whiter than white as we have few friends in the press.
Daniels not leaving on a plane afterall
hamiltontim at 18:06
The majority of tickets for the away end last night were issued directly from Hearts.
Thanks for that. It would appear that Celtic would need to have an input into the allocations because without this it is more difficult for Celtic to have had any control into who was allowed in or not.
If Hearts don’t agree to this, then it is their responsibility and any penalties will have to be paid by them.
Mort
Since its Friday…
Reading a thing by Rob McCaffery the excitable but likeable ex Your on SkySports presenter talking about his pal in Dubai Derek Whyte (craig’s brother, not a lot of folk know that…) in an artical about Mick McCarthy.
He mentions Derek Whyte once told him of a game he played beside MM and someone spat on him, MM skudded him and walked straight off not waiting on the card.
I slightly remember a story like that but no idea who it was that spat.
Embdy know?
All right I gave in SSB has Ally as stating the SFA are trying to contact the Gabon SFA – on who’s behalf???????
U
James Forrest
‘Astounded’ as in heartily amused?
Seeing as you’re on, really enjoyed your CQN mag article on McCann/Whyte – great narrative of two very different stories!
Stairheedrammy:
The press will write what they want, as ever. If this is a factual story it needs to be highlighted, but don’t worry about things getting derailed here.
This team of ours is utterly irresistable right now. What a roll we are on.
Just walked into my local Starbucks. Three young, smiling baristas dancing and jumping around to Just Can’t Get Enough…and the ice cream and jelly just keeps on giving.
Did anyone else notice the electronic board at their stadium yesterday? “Gutterbrush” was the repetitive flashing declaration. Irony in the local suggestion for sanitization….
Skooshes goal: sublime. Sammi’s layoff: superb. I also chuckled how the Broony was executed in front of their goal, in the obvious vector of their support behind.
Chico’s chest nearly burst his jersey when he assumed the captain’s armband. Welcome home big mhan.
Number 88 and Tony’s smiling insults at each other, at the sideline on the substitution. Who would bet on the winner?
The freeze-frame of the flawed angle of the ball supposedly over the line. Stephen Hawking would blanche trying to support that hypothesis.
The comments over how to meld Broony and Kayal’s individual talents. Any coach would be delighted with that conundrum and the choice it represents.
Perhaps Stuart Pearce has decided on the captain also for Team GB?
the long wait is over 18:11
Astounded of forehead.
Was thinking just yesterday Id like a read at a few of the posts I had bookmarked from the CQN archives, all expired links now, was some belters in there.
EN
Uly
Maybe the Gabon FA will give them the Swedish FAs number.
Murray lapdog McKay helping to remove Ally from the scene?
His loyalty is the only season ticket attraction for the hun.
HH
According to STV the huns still need to agree terms with Cousin. I’m not sure how high he will go though.
Sally meanwhile is busy preparing for the “massive” and “difficult” game against Dunfermline. That’s bottom of the table Dunfermline.
Estadio Nacional says:
9 February, 2012 at 18:15
The player in question was Crawford Baptie of Falkirk , big Mick felled him right at the half way line next to the dug outs and turned round and ran up the tunnel.
Another Alec….. hope this one is a smart Alec
What a mental story this Cousin thing is.
No-one at Rangers is taking McKay’s call. What in Gods name is going on there?
EN-Big Mick banjoed Crawford Baptie of Falkirk at CP,he just walked off without waiting to see the red card,never heard about any spitting incident.
the long wait is over;
Amortisation!
Lubo.
Estadio
It was Crawford Baptie, was right on half time and Baptie never came out for second half. To make it worse he works for Arnold Clark!!
We take great exception to anyone ‘blackening’ our name. We have the best support anywhere(fact) Do we have have mental cases following us? Of course we do.
No one can keep track of these people all the time, but in the numbers that we travel with there will always be incidents, and in no small cases it’s in the face of extreme provocation.
I’ll always back our support, not because I think we’re 100% perfect, but it’s because we’re Celtic, and I know that even with the nutjobs that we will ALWAYS have, we’re the best in the business, bar none.
Punish the individuals responsible certainly, but let no one blacken the name of the Celtic support as a whole.
brimmer
Ohits 18:24
Bada Bing!! Kano 1000 18:25
Pearcesdad 18:26
Cheers for that, sounds very Mick McCarthy.
EN
STV the new Rankers tv.. Showed and led with bout 4 Cousin goals.. V us obviously .. Fat Sally saying he did not deserve Red card against us bla blah.. Total joke…
It s all about spin and appearances for Hun ..
Eventually they grudgingly mentioned the Hearts game..
GIRUY I say..
We shall not be moved..
Loved the hoops performance last night..
Did Willie McKay really just say he hasn’t been able to get in touch with Whyte since Whyte asked him to call back since his credit had ran out?
I can hear it now:
McKay – “that’ll be £5k per week!”
Whyte – “aye, er ,um, aye, er, well, I have ran out of credit can you call me back?” *click*
Whyte then turns his phone off, tells receptionist to tell anyone who calls he isn’t in and puts out the office light and hides under the desk.
James Forrest
I appreciate the attempt to challenge these “journalists”and their methods of collecting impartial information and I think that while we should give such tales limited creedence until concrete and unbiased evidence is uncovered to support them, or not. I also think that it would be prudent to have a strategy in mind to deal with any LL mischief making
Stair
ohits says:
9 February, 2012 at 18:2
Remember that game and the highlights that night,showed
you big Mick going for Baptie,in slo me in the stand ,you
could see a young ghirl mouthing “naaaaaaaawww Miiiiick”
Too late ,magic.