Alasdair Lamont’s article for BBC this evening after meeting SPL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is bound to provoke debate. The article is titled, “Newco Rangers could avoid sanctions from SPL”, although that claim is not supported by any direct quote from Doncaster. It could be that Doncaster made a supporting comment which wasn’t covered in the article, or that Alasdair is extrapolating from Doncaster’s comment that he is “not entirely sure why a distinction is made between the two routes [CVA or a Newco] out of administration”.
Before we open on what Doncaster actually said, it’s worth pointing out that he has never previously indicated that a Newco was likely to gain access to the SPL without penalty, despite being asked this question directly on a number of occasions. Indeed, he has proposed a number of penalties for such an eventuality, although any decision will now rest with a general meeting of the clubs, which he will not have a vote at.
To what Doncaster said:
“Newco is typically the way businesses in general escape from administration.”
Oh no it’s not. Businesses, in general, conclude their period of administration either by emerging with a CVA or by going out of business. The swathes of business failures across the UK in recent years has seen only a tiny percentage phoenix as a Newco. This statement is erroneous and misleading.
Doncaster added:
“I am not entirely sure why a distinction is made between the two routes out of administration.”
Let me explain, Mr Doncaster. In Scottish football history, no club has ever come out of administration as a Newco. Ever. Third Lanark, Airdrieonians and Gretna all failed to achieve a CVA and went out of business. Morton, Clydebank (now Airdrie United), Motherwell, Dundee (twice) and Livingston (twice), all achieved a CVA and remained in football.
Mr Doncaster must think that we are all daft, have no access to Scottish football records and have a complete ignorance of how “businesses in general” operate. He wishes to provide a Newco-Rangers with direct access to the top league in Scottish football, the first time anything like this has ever happened. Perhaps being frank with us on this matter would be advisable.
Even if I was of a mind to agree with Doncaster that rules should be changed to allow Newco direct access to the SPL, his feeble attempts to convince fans of the merits of this idea would leave me ruing the inadequacy of his plan’s execution.
All of this will be a welcome distraction from the main issue for Doncaster. The SPL allowed last season to conclude without letting clubs or fans know if Rangers competed with ineligible players. They have been in possession of the information required for over six weeks now but have no intention of letting fans know the outcome until after Newco is voted into the league.
It’s too late now. Doncaster has had his chance to report and his inquiry has failed to do so. It has now been taken out of his hands. He has failed you and all Scottish football fans.
It’s time for football executives to relinquish power and for the old media, the fans, the new media and the authorities to take control.
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The stench of masonic hunnery is wafting about the higher echelons, they are still pulling all the strings.
The party line will be adhered to until such times that a scapegoat is thrown to the wolves.
There will be no mass slaughter, a few small goats to appease the masses, then same old, same old.
I would be wqilling to stake my life on that.
….Pope ………Benedict XVI of course.
jmccmormick
They’ll all have a great time here gauranteed
the vodka and tequilla jellies are in the fridge
what time do the bhoys arrive at?
when they get in the Temple tell them to ask for Harry
HH
Er.. cast this Don into the shrubbery he thinks we are all stupid. He has obviously been given a game plan to keep the huns, no matter what in the SPL or he gets no bonus if they go postal, which is what they do best. I think his position has become impossible and he has no right to govern the football in our country as he has clearly put himself in a position, that his opinion is that no matter what, he wants to see RFC(IA), or a brand new club that has never actually kicked a ball (ever) walk straight back in to the top league and continue to support his League as in SKY cash. Personally picking up his bonus.
Result: Place compromised due to self interest as in bonus for TV contract.
Move aside Mr Doncaster and could we have some integrity instead please, I do not think this is to much to ask for.
Looks like AT has been set up to discredit him possibly.Nobody is buying that story,Everton and similar EPL clubs are up for sale,why would you even think about that shower.
Can I ask you a question Paul?
This behaviour by Doncaster and the lack of anyone pulling him up for its (old media in dont explore the bogeyman shocker eh) is quite remarkable. As you have said we have a situation where the SPL is lying to us about the circumstances – bared faced lies – and where we have an organisation which is deliberately delaying the consequences of a very serious investgation to gerrymander and protect what remains of Rangers.
Its clear that the SPL wants to allow newco straight into the SPL, to argue that they cant punish the newco in doing so because the rules dont allow punishment. At the same time they want to argue that old Rangers are dead so they cant punish a newco because its not Rangers.
So they want their cake and eat it – and all this simply means the end of Scottish Football. There is no point in pretending its a real competition.
So my question Paul.
What are Celtic going to do about this?
NA
dannysbeard on 21 May, 2012 at 21:55 said
No idea what time and will tell him. HH
I think its time Neil Donkey Doncaster got his jaiket oon. Enough enough is enough he’s a rambler pish after pish after pish
Bbc on wed please hurry up and don’t be a let down just bring this to an end
Hail Hail
NegAnon2
Why not ask Celtic?
NA2
Celtic will do one of two things.
1. Nothing.
2. Press the nuclear button.
If I were a betting man, I know where my money would be.
How long has Dungcaster been in office…….?
How long have they been planning this……?
Doncaster has trivialised all issues concerning them, I’m begining to wonder if, trivialising criminal events has anything to do with complicity. Did Doncaster already know about these issues, and like those condemned by the sfa investigation, has he just been keepng quiet, certainly ogilvey knew and is sitting tight. I mean, why shouldnt Doncaster when the president of the sfa is allowed to get away with it.
The bould Hector’s bhoys….. Tá ár lá anois on 21 May, 2012 at 21:52 said:
LoL.
What have Bigot FC ever done for the product this cretin wishes to retain…
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Celtic 9–0 Aberdeen (2010–11)[66]
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St. Johnstone 0–7 Rangers (1998–99)[66]
Dunfermline Athletic 1–8 Celtic (2005–06)[66]
Most goals in a game
Motherwell 6–6 Hibernian (2009–2010)[66]
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Celtic, 25, 2003–04[66]
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Celtic, 32, 2003–04[66]
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Celtic, 103 points, 2001–02[66]
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Gretna, 13 points, 2007–08[66][note 9]
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Andy Millen, for St. Mirren vs Hearts, 42 years 279 days, 15 March 2008[69]
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Henrik Larsson (Celtic), 35 goals, 2000–01[69]
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Anthony Stokes, 12.4 seconds, Hibernian 1–4 Rangers, 27 December 2009[69]
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Kris Boyd (Kilmarnock and Rangers), 164 goals[69]
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Henrik Larsson (Celtic), 12[69]
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Henrik Larsson (Celtic), 2000–01[69]
Anthony Stokes (Falkirk), 2006–07[69]
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Kenny Miller, 5, Rangers v St. Mirren, 4 November 2000[69]
Kris Boyd, 5, Kilmarnock v Dundee United, 25 September 2004[69]
Kris Boyd, 5, Rangers v Dundee United, 30 December 2009[69]
Gary Hooper, 5, Celtic v Heart of Midlothian, 13 May 2012
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Robert Douglas, Celtic, 7 games, 2000–01[69]
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Fraser Forster and Łukasz Załuska, Celtic, 23 games, 2010–11[70]
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Scott Severin, 345 (correct to the end of the 2010–11 season)
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60,440, Celtic v St. Mirren, 7 April 2001[71]
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431, Gretna v Inverness CT, 5 April 2008[71]
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59,369, Celtic, 2000–01[71]
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2,283, Gretna, 2007–08[71]
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Tore André Flo, from Chelsea to Rangers, £12m, 23 November 2000[72]
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Aiden McGeady, from Celtic to Spartak Moscow, £9.5m, 13 August 2010[73]
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Scott Brown, from Hibernian to Celtic, £4.4m, 1 June 2007[74]
Says it all Neilly…..eh?
Think how bad we will feel and how arrogant they’ll become if they’re back in the SPL with no penalties.
Think of the roasting we will get.
THE EXILED TIM on 21 May, 2012 at 22:04 said:
NA2
Celtic will do one of two things.
1. Nothing.
2. Press the nuclear button.
If I were a betting man, I know where my money would be
go on!! surprise us where would your money be??
well done again Paul67 keep the pressure on
Lennybhoy – CPSA – which branch?
All that’s happening just now, and has been since February 14, is a game of chicken. Duff and Phelps, the SPL, Doncaster and others are feart to be the ones to put the lights off. Doncaster is now playing for time until the documentary, and if it’s as explosive as trailed, there will be repercussions as soon as. The Newco vote will be by the end of the month, and probably delayed. Because on June 1 they will run out of money and the contracts will go back to 100%. On June 2, maybe slightly before, maybe within a week afterwards, they will go into liquidation, with D&P blaming the Donkey ,the BBC, Tom Cobley and all. I completely understand the view that they will come out shining, but I am just sure they won’t. Donkey couldn’t care less about the fans, he sees a career mapped out, the EPL and onwards and ultimately events will overtake the fool.
Momentum. Ye cannae whack it. And it’s coming back again.
hen1rik on 21 May, 2012 at 22:09 said:
I’ll not feel bad. They are cheats. we’ll be the ones doing the roasting. They wont be able to look at us. Not a shred of dignity. Beggars to a man, or rather, monkey.
And there, just as you can set your watch to it, comes NegAnon.
Is it Lawwell’s fault? No, but we’ll find a way to make it so!
EDB – because they wont answer thats why. Paul has some influence and contacts (including Mr Lawwell) – I think this is a very important question now and the club can no longer sit on its hands. I genuinely would like to know if they are going to deal with this. What about you?
Exiled Team – yes thats exactly what I fear.
Paul67,
“It’s time for football executives to relinquish power and for the old media, the fans, the new media and the authorities to take control.”
Are you able to expand on your thinking on this Paul?
If Doncaster is at it, are we really saying that he would knowingly say something that portrayed him as professionally mendacious or ignorant – intentionally.
This makes him even more stupid than he already appears.
I am more cheesed off with BBC reporting of nothing dressed up as something than I am with Doncaster ( who is an irrelevance imo)
I predict NEWCO in Div 1.
Paul67
Is it possible that Doncaster is waiting until after Daly’s revelations on Wednesday night?
That way he could then punish the huns suitably and claim that he had to as the information was in the public domain.
Who knows….
NegAnon2,
I, too, share your concerns.
Magnificentseven
Believe it or not………..
I think privatley they will choose option 2
Publicly option 1
Now that depends on a couple of things.
Do we want to continue with the OF tag ?
Do we want to use the whole shambolic affair as an exit route ?
Something that is bothering me tho, Doncaster is spewing his garbage to all n sundrie, he must be doing it at the behest of the spl members, he has been saying the same garbage for a while now, if it was not the collective view of the members he wouldn’t be spouting it, would he, that bothers me.
Until we know what the great moustashioed one want’s, none of us will be any the wiser.
As an active member of the SPL and current champions and therefore most synonymous with the SPL name. Neil Doncaster speaks for us.
HH
NegAnon2
Aside from any other consideration do you reckon Paul reads every post? I firmly reckon he doesn’t.
You’re an attention seeker. Send Paul an e.mail at the usual address if you need to contact him.
NegAnon2,
As a recent reception at Celtic park, some supporters asked Lawwell what Celtic’s response to newco, he had accepted they will be in the spl next season, he is also reported to have said, Celtic will not attempt ant legal recourse, they will try to ensure the newco is punished, thats it.
As a father of 3 young Kids I can only imagine how I would feel if I lost one of them today, my heart truly bleeds for anyone who has ever found the selfs in this unbelievable position .
I played golf yesterday with as nice bunch of Guys you could ever meet and as you can expect the dilemma of the Huns was the main subject.
After reading today’s news from Paul I really have thought again about what is important in this life, I hope everyone I love stays safe, we all take the time to realise what is important in life , and as I will do from now on isn’t take any minute from my family as granted.
Life is a great gift but it can also be the cruelest thing to each of us.
I am not a religious person but whoever you pray to our wish that looks over you please may they be kind to you and yours.
Brnobhoy
THE EXILED TIM on 21 May, 2012 at 22:18 said:
Magnificentseven
Believe it or not………..
I think privatley they will choose option 2
Publicly option 1
they can’t choose option 1…that would be suicide…and one thing PL is not and that’s stupid….option 1 equals the end…………not going to happen
wonkyradar on 21 May, 2012 at 21:48 said:
Lovely post mate. Thank you!
The wife nearly cried when I showed it to her ;-)
FTSFA
Knoxy
THE EXILED TIM on 21 May, 2012 at 22:04:
My mortgage is on them pressing the nuclear button…
NegAnon2 on 21 May, 2012 at 22:12:
Clyde Valley, for a few years we came under Glasgow, you? I also held the position on Branch Chair.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 21 May, 2012 at 22:20 said:
i heard one of the supporters was own coyle’s granny
headtheball – I don’t think Daly is based at BBC Scotland but regardless neither are Chico et al. If they have an office it’ll be with their respective newspapers. The most likely scenario for their BBC stuff is that they have a production meeting sometime before the show and sort out what’s to be talked about etc.
Might be wrong, but so much BBC stuff is outsourced to production companies it’s less likely that there might be whispers than you’d imagine.
There’s definitely an off shore wind starting to blow.
Pretty predictable weather pattern, but it will blow over.
In the meantime, buckle up and hold on to something.