“The tax default and reporting rules are an integral part of maintaining a fair league competition”.
Neil Doncaster, SPFL chief executive, November 2014.
“A fair league competition”. Strong words. I wonder if Mr Doncaster is keen to apply his ethics as evenly when it comes to a team with more than a couple of thousand fans. Don’t bet on it.
I suggested last week you ignore the comments coming out of Hampden about there being little appetite to look into the enormous levels of cheating which we now know went on is our game for over a decade. There is very little appetite from those occupying executive positions at Hampden, but they will not decide what happens.
Ultimate authority at the SFA and SPFL lies with the clubs, and more than just Celtic are alarmed by what went on, and the apparent flippancy show towards it in recent days by those paid to protect the honesty and reputation of our game.
Instincts exist within any organisation to protect itself. We’ve seen this play out in the Church (against their own), the police (against their own), Fifa (against their own), so it should be no surprise that those who worked, and became friends with, some of the architects of Rangers EBT scandal had little appetite to open an investigation.
An SFA or SPFL commission could lead to the disciplining of two-term SFA president, Campbell Ogilvies, or Sir David Murray, men who have made friends in the game for decades.
It would inevitably lead to the examination of the Resolution 12 issue (how Rangers were granted a licence to compete in the Champions League in 2011 when they didn’t meet the criteria). And this one is current enough to involve many still active in their roles.
And then there is the weighty matter of dealing with the consequences of what went on in our sport for all those years.
The demand of an investigation into what went on sounds reasonable but you cannot look into something corrupt without consequences, and that’s where corrupt systems work against fair competition.
Rangers rigged the system, their practises are as clear-cut a case of Financial Doping as you will find. They were playing by different rules, different tax rules and different player registration rules.
They failed to disclose information which should have been disclosed, but could have incriminated them. Unlike Craig Whyte, who was banned from the game for his duplicities, the directors who embarked on this great subversion have never been called to account.
Nor will they unless voices are heard across Scottish football. Don’t lose focus on getting angry (not yet, anyway), right now, we need fans of other clubs to share our concerns and let their voices be heard. Winning allies is the first part of winning this debate, and that’s easier done by calmly making our point.
11 clubs suffered financial consequences of Rangers Financial Doping. Motherwell lost a minimum of £2.1m from not gaining access to European competition. How would they feel if they were a cyclist half a mile behind Lance Armstrong in every race? Would if be OK, as he didn’t get caught?
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ITSCALLEDTHEMALVINAS
I recall a minor run-in wi a baldy beaky beady-eyed bastard at Preston about three years ago,on a train to Glasgow.
Long story,but his comment after throwing my gear onto the aisle(while I was in the toilet)so he could sit with his-embarrassed-lass at my table seat was
F… off,I’ll rip yer f…..g ‘ead off,ya c…
I simply pointed out that his knees were stuck under a table,and I was standing up. If he moved,I’d be able to tie my shoelaces and still hit him five times more than I needed to.
I’ll f…..g get you on the platform,ya etc was his response.
I tapped him on the shoulder as we left the train. Square go in my part of the world,hard man? Or are you a bit busy now?
Not a tale of heroism and valour. Just a simple point that passengers had made the guard aware of the situation and he had rightly declined to get involved. He’s not paid enough.
But the Transport Police are. And they’re only interested in fare evasion these days.
But that’s where I came in!
Btw,I ended up in a blue taxi that night wi THEBARCAMOLE. Never again.
THEBARCAMOLE is a gem. But a blue taxi is the ferry across the Styx.
prestonpans bhoys on 9th November 2015 1:41 pm
Cheers. Glad you told me it isn’t a wind-up!
All for the good of Scottish football eh?
Aaaaahhhhhh…..
There is some rubbish being written about Glasgow Rangers the EBT years like thousands of other Celtic supporters during that time I spent thousands of pounds following my team.I was amazed at the quality of players Glasgow Rangers were signing.We struggled to get close to them I well remember the late great Tommy Burns building a team with some great players but in the end we could not win the league and Tommy eventualy lost his job.Unfortunately im older now and will never get any of the time back that I feel was wasted following a corrupt Scottish football.However,the powers that be and the Glasgow Rangers peepil think we just move on and forget it well that is not for me. Glasgow Rangers should be stripped of any honours they won during their cheating years,players and officials should be stripped of their medals and HMRC should go after the lost tax.The MSM should understand this is one of the biggest fraud cases ever in the UK and cannot be allowed to be brushed under the carpet and biggest action of all that requires to be taken is for Sir David Murray should be stripped of his knighthood justice must be done.In Ronny and Peter I trust. H.H.
All green final me hopes.HH
I have maintained for a long time that, due to the depth and complex nature of this problem nothing less than a Public Inquiry is required.
We are talking here about fraud and curruption perpetrated by figures in the higher echelons of society. This is THE biggest sports corruption story EVER.
Senior bankers, Knights of the realm, the judiciary, newspaper Editors, journalists and SFA administrators all involved to varying degrees.
We need an advert in the national press demanding we (the paying customers) see justice, then the formation of a robust and honest body in charge of our national game.
Swap a few words in this sentence!
Independent Commission into allegations of doping in Russia finds a deeply rooted culture of cheating at all levels which is long standing
Watching the scotsman link to ‘poppygate’. They have the volume of the recorders ramped up so high, the ‘noise floor’ becomes nearly overwhelming.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/rumour-mill-ronny-deila-blasts-fans-gunning-cole-1-3941371
There is plenty of unnatural hum, because the sensitivity of the recorders have been ramped up to ridiculous levels. It isn’t in any way broadcast quality, because there wasn’t enough ‘offending’ decibels for them to record it normally.
Even then there wasn’t much shouting.
And i may be the only person on the blog to change their minds on the poppy issue. I say tell them all to F*** off and we’ll do what we want. If UK stormtroopers want to go about killing civilians that’s their bag. These half wits sully the sacrifice of the conscripts of WW1 and WW2, five years lying in mud in fear of death, so etonians can roll back our liberty to the victorian era. What a waste.
Ross County in the League Cup semi
Can wee Hendo play in he final. A mouth watering thought with Dylan, Feruz an James Keating lining up against us.
Cqn word of the day number 67
Echelon
Scottish football has suffered enough.
They really did write that.
Wow
JOEFILIPPISHAIRCUT
Correct,mate.
No argument.
Every game in which a player is improperly registered is recorded as 0-3.
The rules are there. There is no grey. It is black and white.
Did Rangers gain from having perceived duds in their team? Probably not. But their duddishness is purely subjective. I’ve seen Konterman being used as an example of duddishness. He knocked us out of the league cup,ffs.
Admittedly,he was clearing it for a corner,but still an aw.
Nope,dud or not,they signed every player expecting him to be a superstar. I’m sure there are loads of articles in the SMSM extolling the virtues of each and every one of them.
THE BARCAMOLE made a very good point to me last night about this.
Everyone who is defending the huns is talking about sporting advantage.
Think about that. I’ll get back to you in twenty minutes once I’ve staggered home.
Blantyre Kev 1.08
The Club that made that statement has no titles to be stripped. That’s the biggest single issue.
True.
HH
What I think when reading that Sevco statement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY
PanicStationsCSC
BAWSMAN. 213
Not really. It just needs one person to crack or to feel hard done by.
If Murray is being hung out to dry,the brethren must be sure of their ground. If he,or anyone else involved in the likes of Charlotte 18 and Hornet,feels hard done by and facing a kicking for someone else,deals may be done.
Jabba to get the mint sauce award for lifetime service
I notice the BBC has posted the latest free (i.e. licence-fee-funded) lesson in Stenography …
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34768103
VIP
COOLMORE MAFIA on 9TH NOVEMBER 2015 2:14 PM
Watching the scotsman link to ‘poppygate’. They have the volume of the recorders ramped up so high, the ‘noise floor’ becomes nearly overwhelming.
++++++
Lots of coverage of the crowd but not one person shown to be interrupting the silence.
I’m sitting here nursing a sore chin after reading that ‘statement’ from the cheats. My jaw dropped so far, it hit the floor.
Makes you wonder Dave King and his cronies are trying hard to muddy the water last week he admitted he was part of a newco and what happened at Glasgow Rangers had nothing to do with the newco.This week we should move on. Glasgow Rangers I assume thats who he is talking about have been punished enough Dave King obviously speaks for both Glasgow Rangers and newco and as he has been involved in tax crime in South Africa he should know all about tax fraud and that it wont just disappear. In Ronny and Peter I trust. H.H.
Here is what the SPFL should do in answer to that statement.
Just ask
Why should our clubs ask their supporters to watch their team play a team who do not appear to know footballing right from footballing wrong?
How do our club supporters know their team is not playing in a rigged game against folk who have never suffered in result terms the consequences of that rigging?
How do they know that if some rule breaking by TRFC is referred to SFA it will be dealt with honesty?
In short why are you being allowed to continue to play football especially on your terms?
That TRFC statement in terms of stupidity and lack of self awareness is incredible.
BLANTYREKEV on 9TH NOVEMBER 2015 2:04 PM
Hibs v St Johnstone is bound to be the live TV game.
Not if Sevco are still alive and have a game on that day.
Campbell Ogilvie could actually come in useful,when it comes to Celtic and hopefully other clubs,pushing the button for titles and cups to be stripped.The trade off could be not pursuing individuals,to be sacked or even charged for what has happened previously.
BBC SCotland – The former parent company of the club was liqidated….
Just read the statement from the latest manifestation of darkness sooside.
WTF?
Wis Big Jim blootered when he wrote that?
That’s a belter,bud. It’s well worth yer million a year contract,that one.
I’m available to write a follow-up if you’re interested. I’d do it pro bono,but TBH,I have to bow to the master,there is no way I can beat that one.
Move on. Aye,right.
We won and you didnae,and that’s it.
Listen pal. I’ve got news for you.
We won. And you died.
GTF,and take yer misplaced superiority wi ye.
Bada bing
No deals for any of them including CO justice must be done and seen to be done, now that WADA have issued their report today on athletics the SFA should not be allowed to investigate this for one reason why should anyone trust them.
Rangers fan banned over monkey gestures and disability abuse. John Brown admitted the offenses.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34766798
Just move on, sheesh.
Any chance Seb Coe could get the SFA top banana gig ? He’s vowing to get to the bottom of cheating at Olympic leve!. He’s not afraid to take on the Russians if proven guilty.
I’ve found one good Tory !
former club and club pending :-) is the new oldco/newco
Lot of grey smatter getting put out there in our meejah,low intesity meejah bombardment at all times
Always defending the winners who cheated,tho never shining a light on what gave rise to such a culture.
i have heard a succession of points of view that the cheat should keep its titles.
not a dissenting voice against the tidal wave in support(paid opinion) of making our sport a laughing stock on the world stage.
Think that might change
HH
Seb Coe, yip. The millionaire that voted for tax credit cuts for the poor. He’ll cure what ails ye.
JOEFILIPPISHAIRCUT
and anyone else who may be interested.
Here’s the question that THEBARCAMOLE posed to me last night. About four in the morning,tbh.
Bearing in mind the result on Friday,do you think Rangers gained a sporting advantage?
Naturally,I went into chapter and verse on it. I’ve got loadsa free minutes.
Then he told me I was wrong.
THEBARCAMOLE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT RANGERS GAINED A SPORTING ADVANTAGE BY THEIR CHEATING ON THE TAX TO SIGN PLAYERS THAT THEY COULD NOT OTHERWISE AFFORD!
Well,bugger me over a barrel on that one,I was astonished
Until he pointed out that…
THEY GAINED AN UNSPORTING ADVANTAGE.
Nae daftie,TBM.
I seen earlier it suggested clubs should/could go to BDO with any compensation claims, I believe it was the SFA’s responsibility to ensure the rules and regulations are complied with, they have and had the power to monitor and inspect claims made by clubs if any club failed to meet compliance requirements then it’s the SFA’s responsibility any claims should be made against the SFA for running a rigged sport, simples.
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l don’t know if CQN has the Normal Blog/Phanzine statement anywhere Stating it’s views are in No way connected to the Official Club Celtic FC views..
In fact I’m Not sure if it Still has..Celtic News..Not Lazy Journalism..Any more ..Considering most Trending Articles are a mere Copy and Paste job that Me and others Did for Many Many Years during the Night to Enable CQNers to stay on CQN and let CQN get the Hits for the Articles..Hmmm..Might revisit this topic on the Night shift soon..
EnyWhooo..
Back to My Point..
My ‘CQN’rs on a Matchday’ ..Stat is widely Know at around 0.003% on any given Matchday..*StatsWithoutSpin
Reading CQN the Last few Days it seems Every Single Celtic Supporter has a View to be Aired..
Being back Home Recently i Invited Via Social Media..The Full Toon..Oops sorry Half the Toon..to the Molde Vs Celtic FC..Game..
Just under 20 Mates and Mates of Mates turned up..
Fast Forward end of Game and Only good Olde mates are left having a Beer before Last Orders..
The 2 Mates l was Left with One Ran our Bus for Years and the Other Did the Tote but worked away from time to time..
So i had to ask the Question..Sorry Questions..
Do You Miss Rangers..? What if they are in SPFL Next Year..?
A. No Not one Bit..1 of the 2..
I’ve more important things to Worry about 2 of the 2..
Then l asked.. Q. what Celtic Sites they Visit..Not wanting to Mention CQN in Particular..
Now these are the 2 Dudes that Ran our Bus and are Celtic more than i could ever be..and and similar Age 53..
There Answer was..
“Na..Think You need to be a Member of they Websites”.. for the Other to tell me..”They Websites are the same as Golf Clubs You need to get a Member to recommend You”..
WTF..l Love Ma Pals..
Updated CQNrs on a Matchday Stat..0.002333%
Summa of SevcoChatsAndCQNStatsCSC
SUMMA
It was a bliddy great pleasure to meet you,ya madman.
I think I’d like to meet yer two pals too.
BOBBY MURDOCH. Fella yip they gained an unsporting advantage lol In Ronny and Peter I trust. H.H.
So what’s changed then Dave????
Exclusive: As Smith pulls out, King admits it’s time for Rangers to apologise
By SPORTSMAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 23:14, 19 June 2012 | UPDATED: 23:14, 19 June 2012
Former Rangers director Dave King has said sorry to Scottish football for the EBT scandal which has plunged the game into civil war.
On a day when a Walter Smith-led takeover consortium pulled out of a £6million bid to buy the club, King expressed concern over a perceived lack of humility and acceptance of wrongdoing from the club’s powerbrokers.
A First Tier Tribunal into the ‘big tax case’ involving the old club’s use of Employee Benefit Trust schemes has yet to deliver a verdict. Speaking after the SPL ruled that Rangers had a case to answer over the alleged use of dual contracts, however, King offered the first concession from an Ibrox figurehead that the club may have gained a competitive advantage over their rivals.
‘I think we should be sorry – and I certainly am sorry,’ King told Sportsmail. ‘We owe both the Rangers fans and the Scottish footballing public an apology.
‘Some of the representations made have betrayed more of a victim status. But I think somebody needs to apologise.
‘Clearly, that is not for Charles Green to do. But I am happy to say that I really believe we should be saying sorry and I think there is something to be sorry about.
‘And as a former director when these things were going on, I am minded to do so.
‘With regard to EBTs, I was on the board so I have to take some responsibility.
‘And I follow the logic of the argument that if we lose the tax case then we probably gained some competitive advantage.
‘I believe that, on behalf of myself and most of the board members who were with me and probably agree with me, that we should apologise for that.
‘I know that the Murray Group might not say that, because it might be tantamount to admitting it.
‘But I am happy to say it as a director of the football club. And, having been there for the last couple of days, and getting a sense of the anger and anxiety, that it is absolutely appropriate for the previous regime to be sorry.’
Club chairmen will decide on July 4 if an Ibrox newco should be allowed to play in the top tier next season.
Even if the chairmen vote yes, however, SPL sources have warned that the club could still face expulsion if dual contracts were operated by a board of directors on which King was a member for 12 years.
Insisting there was no attempt to gain a deliberate competitive advantage from the use of a Murray group EBT, King added: ‘No one on the board, when I was there, would have had any intention of gaining an advantage.
‘But the fact is that I can understand the perception out there now.
‘And the way that Rangers have treated the authorities – instead of having a conversation with them around reparation – has been regrettable.
‘One of the things I would have looked at as part of a consortium in terms of funding is to try and fund them so that they could make some sort of commercial reparation to the other clubs.
‘But let’s do it in a way whereby it is seen to have happened and we come out of it strongly.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2161850/Rangers-crisis-Dave-King-apologises.html#ixzz3r0ZrDXCB
JOEFILIPPISHAIRCUT
Cheers,mate. He’s a grand lad,as many on here know.
I didnae think he could go up in my esteem any further,but he’s stratospheric after that comment!
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Bob..
I’m sorry my appearance was Fleeting.. but I’m glad i made it in..and Promise to stay longer Next time and Even Introduce myself by my Blog name..Ha
You would need to get a Hotal for You and Yir Da.as l can Go on and on and stay out Late..;-)
EnyWhooo..
KTF
Summa