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Don’t blame defenders, this one was down to tactics

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It’s a well-established fact that we don’t have Beckenbauer and Baresi at the back, so the reason why we chose to play so high up the field is the most alarming element of last night’s debacle.

Dedryck was bound to misplace a pass, or Efe was bound to misread play. We all knew this. Regret over the last time mistakes like this were made doesn’t mean they won’t happen again. So when the inevitable occurred, our two full backs were 30 yards in front of the line of opposition attack, with our defensive mids well into opposition territory.

Efe’s failure to cover Kamara and Dedryck’s pass were consequences of the main mistake of the night, which was tactical.  We didn’t lose the opening goal because of a bad pass, it was lost because we left an acre of Norway unattended.

Ronny, you should never have left so much space at the back away from home in Europe, we’re clearly not good enough for such an open system, not even close.  We’ve learned nothing since what was supposed to be a lesson in Warsaw, when the same expansive errors cost us.  Molde played rope-a-dope football, they could have watched us against Malmo, Maribor and Legia, as each opened their home games against us in exactly the same manner.

It must be an absolute joy to face a European opponent at home who leaves so much space at the back, begging to be exploited.  If we had played with the same tactics we used in Amsterdam I’ve no doubt we would have won the game – no one in that Molde squad would get into the Celtic team.

There’s more.  After dominating possession and creating genuine chances, the defeat looked inevitable from the 11th minute when we went behind. Body language changed in an instant and Celtic went out like a light.  I’ll spare you what I said at the time in case it’s misconstrued, but the evidence suggests there’s more to worry about than repeating the same tactical mistakes.

Celtic have nine months and one and a half transfer windows to get ready for the next Champions League qualifiers.  There’s plenty of time to put things right, but we can’t sleepwalk into another failure.  More immediately, we could be out of a cup if we don’t pull our act together this week.

The original Holy Goalie, our own John Fallon, will be signing copies of his book, and no doubt giving you his thoughts on current events, at the Supporters’ Club on London Road on Sunday from 12:30.  All are welcome.  There’s live entertainment too, so get along and check it out.

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  1. lennon's passion on

    Seen the Ronny movie so many times he’s a dead man walking. Barnes, Mowbray same movie. But Celtic fans wanting us to get beat get a grip.

     

    KC is poison done the same crap with NFL. RONNY don’t play him. Go out your way.

  2. BT makes you wonder if he is a fan always negative never a positive thought or suggestion, really brings nothing to the table. H H Hebcelt

  3. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Hebcelt

     

    Sent Richie your mob number, he was away during the week and not sure if he is home yet

  4. BRISBANE 67...Sack Deila. More of Peter Lawwell # Serving up Tripe & Trialists since 2003 on

    Blantyre

     

     

    I remember well, during the reigns of Barnes and Mowbray that I thought it would be better to end it now, quickly rather than prolong the downward spiral.

     

     

    Of course I will always want a win, but when you see a dud, you look for the end.

     

     

    Eschatology FC

  5. BRISBANE 67...Sack Deila. More of Peter Lawwell # Serving up Tripe & Trialists since 2003 on

    Hebcelt

     

     

    Good point. I’ll think on that.

     

     

    I see nothing positive at the moment. More than anything, I see us squandering the time that should see us build an irretrievable gulf between us and the team that cheated there way to a nine in a row.

     

     

    The lax attitude around CP at the PLC level is a significant factor in why we gambled on Lennon and then Deila. We simply have lost ambition at our club.

     

     

    I’ll repeat that for emphasis.

     

     

    We have lost ambition at Celtic

  6. 67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar...... Ipox belongs to the creditors on

    Off for a wee swim, then off to see the BHOYS in green …… HAIL HAIL ⚽️

  7. 67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar...... Ipox belongs to the creditors on

    BRISBANE 67…Sack Deila. More of Peter Lawwell # Serving up Tripe & Trialists since 2003 on 25th October 2015 8:50 am

     

     

    You sound like a wee hurtin’ Hun to me, ……. If so, please crawl away back under your rock, and gie us at awe peace ….

  8. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Brisbane

     

    Agree with your reply to Hebcelt but still can’t ever wish for a defeat

     

     

    I was pro RD and last year advocated that he clear out the dissenters to show his authority

     

    Seems he has allowed them the victory which will be his downfall as much as his hapless tactics and inability to alter his gameplan

  9. Gerryfaethebrig on

    Aff oot (to mass)

     

     

    Brisbane you post like our Kev and he also likes a long moniker or two, you could be one in the same……

     

     

    Lennons Passion – I think poison is a bit of a strong description of Kris but we all have differing opinions, glad your home safe and sound, apart from the result and the weather hope you had a good trip, hope your better half is on the Hoops in LMS as a few faltered yesterday

  10. BRISBANE 67...Sack Deila. More of Peter Lawwell # Serving up Tripe & Trialists since 2003 on

    # 67Heaven… you are a silly wee boy.

     

     

    # Blantyre… I think he has to go now. He has lost a significant proportion of the support, the staff and his results are cack.

     

     

    # Gerry… nope

  11. I think that Brisbane is ticking the box!

     

    If, it takes Dundee Utd to cuff us 0-4 to make fans finally realize that, Ronny hisny goat it then good!

     

    In fact….make it 0-5….just to be sure.

     

    If, it takes a defeat for us from the deid huns to make fans realize that we’ve got to re-structure the club by, dismantling the PLC set-up and, get rebellious-uppitty-Tim-Celtic-Supporters in charge of the club then, geez a mibbery-JRP-Gordon-Bobby-Davidson-David-Syme type of mugging at CP with the orcs breaking seats-invading-the-pitch-at-the-end-to-do-a-mock-huddle then, go through the entire song book before, being removed from the pitch by doing the bouncy-cops to make way for 100 flute-bands from all the bitterest corners of orcville to parade round the track and, doing the bouncy when the reach the traditional Ran#ers end….just to be sure that, Celtic fans will vote for the change at the top of the club.ok.

     

    GFTB LOL:)

     

    HH

  12. Today is the day the Lord has given us, let us rejoice and be glad, and more importantly get yourself to Paradise to support the Famous Glasgow Celtic if you can

  13. Personally i think Ronny should start Commons.

     

     

    1 very fired up player with a point to prove although each and every 1 of them should be like that anyway.

     

     

    That would only be if he has had a full team meeting with every single member of our squad and hammered Commons in front of them and let each and every i of them know that that kind of behaviour wouldn’t be tolerated again and anyone who did the same would never kick another ball for us.

     

     

    Draw a line under it and move on.

  14. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    RD will go because he has lost credibility with the fans and the only way to retrieve it would to beat Ajax and Molde and draw with Fenerbahce. Doubt many see that happening given the extreme mediocrity of our team and tactics, particularly the defence.

     

     

    Changing the manager won’t solve our problem though. The shop window, moneyball strategy of our estimable CEO might work wonderfully for his bonus, but it’s hopeless for building a winning team. We are in a constant state of flux on the park because Lawwell and Desmond’s fascination is with proving football can be successfully run as profitable business, even in an unpromising ‘market’ like Scotland’s. They are not fascinated by the football itself. If flux rather than team building is what pays, so be it. Ronny’s proven to be not very good, but to be fair most managers would struggle to meet the fans’ expectations in this context, albeit pretty much anyone could enhance our current organisation and tactical discipline.

     

     

    So Ronny will likely go sooner or later, but until Lawwell goes and takes his moneyball strategy with him we’re screwed. Never mind looking to the EPL Pedro all wide eyed with dollar signs, maybe we should be looking to the neighbouring Norwegian league for a step up in football challenge. Maybe after a few years at that higher level we might even be able to challenge for the title there…

  15. Celticrollercoaster supporting Shay,our bhoy wonder along the way on

    Thunder Road

     

     

    I think in the battle of the Egos it will be “C”. Hope I am wrong

     

     

    HH

     

     

    CRC

  16. Celticrollercoaster supporting Shay,our bhoy wonder along the way on

    If any CQNers are still to buy their latest edition CQN badges and cufflinks, I will get at the corner around 2:15pm

     

     

    Predicted today is 3-1 Celtic

     

     

    HH

     

     

    CRC

  17. BRISBANE 67...Sack Deila. More of Peter Lawwell # Serving up Tripe & Trialists since 2003 on

    Gearoid

     

     

    Technically dead, but the disease remains. Good analogy might be to see RFC 1876 as a corpse. Dead. But the bitter disease that sustained it, has not been eradicated. It is alive and it has infected a new body.

     

     

    That zombie will get bigger.

     

     

    Our leaders are drunk on the champagne of Pax Celtica. They should read history. 476 AD should be lesson for us all, especially for the complacent.

  18. Good morning friends from a distinctly bright, fairly calm but rather chilly (twas the clear skies wot caused it) East Kilbride.

     

     

    Today, we get the chance to see The Champions play. Which is nice.

  19. Good Sunday to us all, lot of football on telly today with hopefully a dodgy streamed Celts game as well. Gym work to do then and ambitious lunch to cook…will be distracted by a nice Tempanillo and the Makems v Takems game so hope I don’t screw up.

     

    ‘Mon the Hoops!

  20. Celtic, Celtic thats the team for me,

     

    Celtic, Celtic on to victory,

     

    They’re the finest team in Scotland, I’m sure you will agree,

     

    We’ll never give up till we’ve won the cup and the Scottish football league

     

     

    They come from bonnie Scotland, they come from county Cork,

     

    They come from dear old Donegal and even from New York,

     

    From every street in Glasgow they proudly make their way,

     

    To a place called dear old paradise and this is what they say.

     

     

    Celtic, Celtic thats the team for me,

     

    Celtic, Celtic on to victory,

     

    They’re the finest team in Scotland, I’m sure you will agree,

     

    We’ll never give up till we’ve won the cup and the Scottish football league.

     

     

    There’s Fallon, Young and Gemmell who proudly wear the green,

     

    There’s Clark, McNeill and Kennedy the best there;s ever been,

     

    Jim Johnstone, Murdoch, Chalmers, John Divers and John Hughes,

     

    And sixty thousand Celtic fans who proudly shout the news.

     

     

    Celtic, Celtic thats the team for me,

     

    Celtic, Celtic on to victory,

     

    They’re the finest team in Scotland, I’m sure you will agree,

     

    We’ll never give up till we’ve won the cup and the scottish football league.

  21. Brisbane

     

    Better analogy is one oft quoted on here ” same flies, different shite”.

     

    Team died, no ifs, no buts. Any other narrative perpetuates their agenda that it’s still the same “club”.

  22. A win today will not make everything all right but it will make things a little better, a win in Tynecastle and a win against the sheep will make things a lot better, if we do 4 wins in a row against Molde then we can start talking about things being all right.

     

    I can live without us making the Europa Cup knock out stage providing there is clear evidence that we are improving as a team and we are playing attractive football.

     

    We will win the SPFL and as ever Cups are in the hands of the Gods and the MIBS.

  23. I note with some concern that Gerryfaethebrig said at 8:55 that he is “aff oot” to mass.

     

     

    I’m pretty certain it’s a 10 o’clock shot usually for you, is it not, Gerry?

     

     

    Quite often a day that begins with people uttering words they wouldn’t normally, on a Sunday at least, as they stand before locked church doors listening to the crashing sound of pennies dropping, and not in the plate!

  24. Jeez oh “technically dead” what sort of mangled use of the english is that and please do not include me in your “we have no ambition”

  25. Sitting in the coffee shop. Made a wrong decision to tead about the fitba as portrayed by the Sunday Mail.

     

     

    Two games on today were previewed each with a two page spread.

     

     

    Celtic v Dundee United. 90% of the two pages dedicated to Mixu. One column about how Carlton Cole is going to rumble SPL defenders. That was the input from the Celtic viewpoint.

     

     

    St Mirren v Rangers (quote). 95% dedicated to them – I didn’t read it so can’t say what it was about. And half a column on St Mirren.

     

     

    Showed it to my wife who has no interest and asked her what she saw as the difference. She was gabberflasted and she doesn’t even care about football.

  26. BRISBANE 67...Sack Deila. More of Peter Lawwell # Serving up Tripe & Trialists since 2003 on

    Gearoid

     

     

    I’m not denying they are dead, they are. I’m glad. But as you say the hun remains. That will not disappear. We need to much more ruthless in exploiting this time of relative ease.

  27. gearoid1998 need to change that to ” technically different flies, technically different jobby”

  28. In Glasgow, back in ’88

     

    poor children needed fed

     

    and some big-hearted Irish men

     

    who lived around Parkhead

     

    decided in their charity to silence

     

    hunger’s cry, so they started

     

    Celtic Football Club and raised

     

    the flag on high

     

     

    and they raised the flag on high

     

    and they raised the flag on high

     

    (they started Celtic football club)

     

    and raised the flag on high

     

     

    Then bigots who did hate their race

     

    and most of all their creed

     

    used their power to hinder them

     

    in spite of childrens need

     

    but Celtic’s spirit – then as now

     

    despite each pressman’s lie

     

    they rose above all obstacles

     

    and kept their flag on high

     

     

    They kept their flag on high

     

    and they kept their flag on high

     

    they rose above all obstacles

     

    and kept their flag on high

     

     

    They carried on from strength to strength

     

    from fame to greater fame

     

    now all who’ve heard of football

     

    know the Glasgow Celtic name

     

     

    But still the same old bigotry will let

     

    no chance go by to blacken this great football

     

    name and the flag that flies on high

     

     

    To blacken this great football name

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

    To blacken this great football name

     

    and the flag that flies on high.

     

     

    When in 1953

     

    the ruling SFA

     

    they said that Celtic football club

     

    must take their flag away

     

    But Kelly and his Celtic men said

     

    they would rather die

     

    than to disgrace their forefathers

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

    than to disgrace their forefathers

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

     

    And still the Irish tricolour

     

    it waves o’er Paradise

     

    where proudly it’s admired and loved

     

    by Irish exile’s eyes

     

     

    God grant the like Bob Kelly

     

    all attacks we will defy

     

    from the enemies of Celtic

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

    and the flag that flies on high

     

    from the enemies of Celtic

     

    and the flag that flies on high

  29. If I were Ronny, I’d definitely play Commons today.

     

     

    At centre-back alongside either Efe or Dedryck.

     

     

    That’ll larn ‘im!

  30. I sure get pissed off with Celtic, our players, our management team and most definately our board and Peter the Bonus Collector.

     

     

    Come the day I wish a defeat on Celtic will be the day I become a zombie!

     

     

    I would love to see Celtic win 10-0 today, go on and win every game in this season domestically, win our next 3 Euro ties and qualify before going onto Euro final. That is my wish for our players, management team and club.

     

     

    I am pissed off right now and feel our club is and has been poorly run for last 7 years, the main product of the business that is Celtic FC PLC has been run into ground and we are were we are because of bad decision after bad decision on the footballing side of business. AKA the heart of the business, the bit we all love. We have sold every prospect who has came of value year on year as the became rough diamonds and before we ever got to enjoy their full potential. We buy prospects by the barrow load in to prise one gem a season to balance the books when we should be investing in quality over quantity to strengthen the various positions in the team requiring it. Investing in strengthening to provide a stronger platform were we can compete and qualify for the CL group stages every season and were we can compete with teams from leagues no better than our own.

     

     

    The club is run with a focus on balancing the books and I understand there is a need in the environment we play in to do that. However the money we have wasted on prospects and their salaries over the last seven years while players we know our managers have rated highly have been missed because we would not stretch that extra little bit has brought us to were we are today. One day and one day soon, potentially next summer if Bitton does not bring in a decent transfer value and we do not stop investing mainly in potential rather than quality we will be in a position were we will see our balance books in the red year on year, no potential for qualification to CL, questionable whether we’d be able to compete for Europa and a acceleration in the drop in standards of from even the professional footballers we employ right now that we know aren’t good enough to wear the hoops and a management team employed on little experience.

     

     

    The future is not bright nor Rosey.

     

     

    But it will always been Green for me were I wish my team to win and succeed even though I am open to seeing and talking about the problems within. Problems and issues that are of more concern to me than anything to do with some x-team from the South Side.

     

     

    MWD

  31. Margaret McGill on

    Back in the old days everything was simpler and more confused. Celtic’s enemies were everybody. Now it’s more complex. Yes the judiciary, the culture, the MSM and SFA for sure, however, as I was reading Tony Blair’s excuse as a human being today I’m wondering if retrospectively the allegorical assessment of Lawwell ‘s tenure as Celtic’s custodian will be seen equivalently?