Neil Doncaster has uttered the words “Prima Facie” more often than any other figure in public life since February when Celtic Quick News first asked if Rangers EBT payments were declared to the football authorities, almost always after the words “we don’t know if there is a”. While we are all assuming the SPL have now established Rangers have a case to answer for illegally registering footballers for over a decade, it’s important to hear the words.
Rangers refused to submit information to the SPL for three months and only did so under the duress of a deadline, but we don’t know what they have submitted. I have been concerned that Rangers would simply try to brass the entire episode out, submit the contracts the SFA and SPL already had, and deny having any record of side agreements.
Consider the clubs modus operandi in recent months and years. Sir David Murray provided cover in March, categorically denying side contracts existed, while the current men in charge have been too busy to spare much time researching the issue. A response of “We don’t have any information” would not have surprised me. Rangers submitting full information – including details on the side letters which exist but which the BBC do not have – would surprise me.
The SPL should have realised months ago they would get nothing from Rangers without a deadline but they are in awkward position if the answer from the club is not what is expected. It’s far from clear that they can take evidence from the BBC and may require information from the First Tier Tribunal verdict to substantiate what everyone knows. The verdict is unlikely to confirm any names.
Until Mr Doncaster says “Prima Facie evidence exists” we should not assume this episode is on track to be dealt with.
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Richie
I’m working on Tuesday, next to Kelvingrove park, I was working last year during the park festival when the police horses where required…
StevieS
HT and I share a love of a few things, faith , Celtic , Guinness and family.. but we are not one in the same… o))
Hello all,
Long time lurker and used to post a few years ago.
I have been trying to get my head around what is happening in RFC and is it just me or would Green prefer if Rangers were kicked out of the SPL and SFA? Could they then turn around and liquidate the company as they would have no discernable revenue streams with which to finance their debts?
In this scenario they could then enter a newco with no sanctions as the former club would have ceased to exist though no voluntary action taken by themselves? And they could also stick two fingers up to HMRC once the CVA is rejected.
I am far from an accountant but and I am not au fait with SPL SFA legislation but I think that Green and RFC seem to be trying to get themselves kicked out and if so then there must be some benefit to them financially (as this is all that counts to the men running RFC now).
Your thoughts and comments appreciated in advance,
Dino
googybhoy ♥ Celtic and the Lisbon Lions on 1 June, 2012 at 12:08 said:
I used to go to St Francis Xavier’s seminary in Coatbridge. I thought it was demolished or something…
Embdae think Celtic might be in possession of damaging evidence against der hun?It could explain why we have been very quiet,and could be giving the governing bodies ,enough rope to hang themselves,in the quest to save them.
roy croppie
A packet of salted nuts and a kebab on the way back to the hotel will probably be the extent of the cuisine :-))
Offski for now these reports aren’t going to write themselves….now there’s an idea!!
HT,
Cheers, I might just do that!
(after grovelling for permission from she who must be obeyed)
Living in the south gives you a little relief from the day to day intensity that is Glasgow Football politics
I often get asked about the situation regarding them in administration
2 things are not understood by my Leeds Utd Shef Utd Chelsea Arsenal and Crystal palace supporting friends
1 How can the President of your association (The SFA) continue when he was an executive of them in administration ???
2 If they are such a well supported club why has their supporters not got together and provided the money to save them ??? (God bless Fergus – but that’s another subject)
My point is no one outside the Celtic family understands that every man and his hun supporting dog will do anything to save them in administration
I am enjoying the chaos they are in – but they will survive – by cheating, by lying, by secret hand shakes, by ignoring the moral responsibility to sport, and by sticking 2 fingers up to the rest of Scottish Football Clubs and supporters
In summary – nothing has changed
Hail Hail
67ECW
james forrest,
i feel exactly like yourself,i seriously think if it comes to pass over the the next few
seasons there will be a dramatic decline in attendances as it finally dawns on
some people the gravity of whats going on especially when the ref’s do all their
best to keep them in contention to win honour’s, i have mention for a few days
that doncaster in particular has been getting it big time from fans but what has
celtic rep on the spl board been doing in all this time ? has he contradicted
anything mr doncaster has been saying ? what was he doing while the spl
board was waiting 3 month’s for paper’s from ranger’s fcia?
Dino
Away back to Bedrock ya Hun
Love
“Italy will quit the Euro 2012 if asked to do so for the good of the game, coach Cesare Prandelli says in the wake of match-fixing allegations. “If they would say to us that for the good of football the national team must not go to the Euros, it would not be a problem,” Prandelli told Rai television a week before the tournament starts in Ukraine and Poland.”
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Compare/contrast with the distinct lack of contrition from Govan.
Finally an apology from a senior poster on FF: (don’t read if you’re sensitive)
Dear rest of Scottish Football
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Dear all non-Bears,
It has come to our attention that you are upset that our fight with the SFA may lead to Scotland and Scottish teams being prevented from playing in International or European matches.
We would just like to offer our sincerest, most heartfelt declaration of how sorry we are.
No, not about it happening; about the fact that we have somehow managed to convey the wholly inaccurate impression that we give a f*** what happens to your paedophile club/pishy wee provincial side or national team.
This is entirely our fault, and we promise to ensure there is no repeat of such behaviour. With that in mind, please take this as the completely definitive, unequivocal statement it is meant as. We couldn’t give the first pull of a toss about you, never have and never will.
Go f*** yourself,
The Rangers Support
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The post is now being seconded and signed by his fellow luminaries
BT,
I know you’re not :-)
I was just trying to remember if it was you or HT that has been posting here as long as me (the old memory aint what it used to be) :-)
StevieS
I’m much better looking and at least 20 years younger than my master BT!!
I did have an extremely arduous upbringing in the salt mines however, which makes us look remarkably similar in age :-))
hamiltontim – from previous/this thread… Based in Newcastle and there are many establishments where beer can be purchased for less than your £2.20!!
If you have not been down before give me a shout and can give you the cultural tour… :)
Their club is in it’s death throes and they even have a thread discussing the green things they will not eat or drink.
HT
back to work….
I’m away to take mini a walk, I promised last night….
Avocado – That’s an empty for you. (thumbsup)
BT
I’m away to take mini a walk, I promised last night….
I think there are a few walks planned around the Glasgow area over the next few days. I’m sure you’ll get a warm welcome if you join in.
Mort
Richie – Thus speaks the fabric of the nation (© Alex Salmond). (thumbsup)
NeilR on 1 June, 2012 at 10:39 said:
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I now have a neat equation in my head.The solution always resolves to \o/…
HH!
Mort
not with the colours I wear…. o))
Slán agat (hope that correct)
Richie,
That sums them up. And not a wee minority, most of their fan base.
Any other football fans would have been suffering from acute embarrassment had their club been shown to have done half the things that theirs has – so far.
I’ve got a suggestion that should keep everyone happy re this current , unhappy situation.
When the SFA panel (re-)convene to reconsider a suitable punishment for RFCia , I think they should fine them £1 – after all , that was the purchase price for the club.
Then , when they consider an appropriate punishment for resorting to the civil courts , they should ……..
Impose a transfer embargo for 1 year .
Problem solved .
Sanna
The Spirit Of Arthur Lee
eh? I hope you know me and are having a laugh because aiming the ultimate insult at someone otherwise is a bit reprehensible.
I shouldn’t need to prove my Celtic Fan status but I am Irish (west coast of Ireland), lived in Glasgow for three years studying in Strathclyde uni for two of them, and have been a member here over 5 years now winning the CQN fantasy premier league competition once and finishing top ten every year.
So if you don’t mind crawl back under that rock you came out from and count your bears you HUN FCKR
Paul67
the side-letters may well be relevant for the FTT ruling but I would have thought the simple existence of significant additional payments to players over and above the amounts lodged with the SPL/SFA would provide Prima Facie evidence – it shouldn’t matter if the documents about the payments are provided indirectly via a leak say from the EBT Trustees or directly by RFC(IA) – they should still be damning enough to get a proper investigation started
VertWolf
Dino
It is a Cqn tradition to call a new start or long time lurker a Hun
Love
Fassreifen @ 12 13.
Cesare Prandelli ”
” I feel embarrassed about losing to such a poor , one dimensional team.
The players should feel ashamed about losing to such a poor , one dimensional team .”
Live on tele -minutes after his Fiorentina team were beaten[ on penalties ] by Quintessentially British in the UEFA Cup semi final.
BT
Ha, are they not an all-inclusive walks to celebrate the jubilee?
I’m thinking of joining some of the local jubilee celebrations over here and i think I’ll get dressed up as something memorable from the Queen’s time in office.
Might go as Jock Stein. Captain of the Coronation Cup winning team.
Said Lizzie to Philip as they sat down to dine,
“I’ve just had a note from an old friend of mine,
“His name is big Geordie, he’s loyal and true,
“And his nose is my favourite colour of blue.
“He says that the Rangers are right on their game,
“And asks for a trophy to add to their fame
“I’ll send up a trophy the Rangers can win”.
Said Philip to Lizzie, “Watch the Celts don’t step in.”
Said Lizzie to Philip, “They don’t stand a chance,
“I’ll send up my Gunners to lead them a dance,
“With the Celtic defeated the way will be clear,
“For a cup for the Rangers in my crowning year.”
But oh what a blow to the old boys in blue,
The Celts beat the Arsenal and Manchester too,
Beat the Hibs in the final and lo and behold,
All Hampden was covered in green, white and gold.
Said Lizzie to Philip when she heard the news,
“A blow has been struck to my loyal True Blues,
“Oh tell me dear Philip, for I ought to know,
“How to beat Glasgow Celtic and keep them below.”
Said Philip to Lizzie, “There’s only one way,
“And that’s been no secret for many a day,
“To beat Glasgow Celtic you’ll have to deport,
“The whole Fenian army that gives them support!”
Mort
Prima Facie is like a new signing, Mark Hateley
Dino-Kids read this site,bad language is not tolerated.
Did Prima Facie have an EBT?
oblivious
and they carry on as if nothing has happened
Prima Facie’s not all it appears to be!
Is Craig Whyte Verbal Kint or Keyser Söze? (thumbsup)
Aye,Paul67,this is the kind of thing I was referring to last night. There have been too many false dawns over the course of this fiasco.
Even our old ‘hero’ CW and his sidekicks,The Duffers,expected their scam to be implemented “in a matter of hours”. Even they had not reckoned with TFOD and THEIR sidekicks,the entire Scottish establishment…all 4 estates.
Plus Dark Mingbat,front man for RFCia’s nazi tendency.
Scottish football is fast moving from ridicule to disgust.
NotTheOnlyDoubtingThomas CSC
HH!
charles kickham – Dinosaurs, meet asteroid. (thumbsup)
Dino , as a long time lurker , you’ll be familiar both with our hosts rules re language and SOAL’s penchant for mickey-taking – I was a victim myself this morning .
SOAL’s big enough and ugly enough to look after himself but bear in mind there are children who log in here. Dropping a few vowels doesn’t change the sound of what you’re saying.
Just saying mind .
Sanna
How about …
The Appeal Panel reconvenes. It decides that expulsion is still too severe, so instead imposes a five year suspension, suspended for five years.
And then a new Panel finds them guilty of breaking the rules by taking the SFA to court, so the five year ban comes in.