Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…” on 16 July, 2012 at 14:39 said:
“Liking the herb theme. Good cumin on here and seeing the blog peppered with witticisms. You guys are the salt of the earth…”
We are all seasoned veterans
Well if Sevco manage year on year promotion back to the top flight, that will be worth of congratulations, and I’ll give to them.
They’re not Rangers and it’s important to remember that at all times because there are many who will continue to try and convince you they are – in order to try and generate some kind of rivalry. They need it for their jobs but it doesn’t exist.
dirtymac@14:29
Bocanegra has a couple of offers from MSL clubs awaiting him. Under the terms of the wage cut he agreed back in March, he is able to leave on a free
Edu + Goian are available for circa £250k each. Alexander, Elbows + Bentfoot can sit happily taking their hefty weekly wages. Green has to pay them what they are due, unless of course the company runs out of money and enters admin
Surely that couldn’t happen could it? ;)
Ernie
do you like anything??????????????
:)
HH
cadizzy
Ta
Plenty pics on his F B. Dont ask me how you get on it im a dinasawer when comes to that.
I cant even spell dinosaur.
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Canamalar
Nope, the 4 non-execs were elected, as per usual form.
Doncaster is an employee, subject to the same obligations and protections as every other employee in the country.
The real story in the press release is what ‘facilitated’ means with regards to Sevco and SFL D3.
Auldheid
Just wanted to acknowledge that you were correct in your assessment of where the Huns would end up unlike pessimistic old me.
You have to admit that the football establishment (and probably the political establishment – whatever happened to that Big Tax Case?) didn’t half try to pull off the big fix.
Just one thing leaves a slightly sour taste. Why Dundee and not Dunfermline? (rhetorical question – I know it’s money).
We have rightly banged on about sporting integrity but I have yet to hear an explanation of how this fits the sporting integrity.
Anyway, thanks to you, Paul67, Phil and many others for exposing light on the shenanigans over the months and years.
Roll on the football. I cannot wait until 29 July when the Huns make their debut in The Quarter Of Sports Mixtures Challenge Cup and the pain of some my darker days as a Celtic supporter being cheated starts to heal.
Just watching the Tour De France.
Latest agricultural offering states (in French) :
“A smile in the heart of Gers”
Somehow I don’t think they mean a certain ex Football team.
Ernie
S M O got you stumped???
The SFL and the SFA are apparently trying to renegotiate the deal with Ramsdens due to the likelihood of Sevco playing in it. Ramsdens are being asked to pay a further £16m since, as everybody knows, this is how much Sevco is worth to Scottish football each year.
cadizzy – Super Ally has decided to pull out of the Ramsdens Cup after learning it isn’t sponsored by his favourite restaurant. (thumbsup)
Afternoon bhoys, seriously hot, but as ever hun free.
So it’s Dundee, quite right too, Dunfermline had their chance to speak up, they kept sctum hoping that everything would go away and the huns would still be around.
canamalar
Aye, they are still expecting us to but into a corrupt game, but in reality we have no other choice sad to say.
I would be happy if the referees were targeted, bring back a level playing field on the pitch and watch the standard flourish.
The huns will still rule in our sectarian little country come what may.
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They have a novel way over here when dealing with people on benefits.
Make them work for their money, there are about 40 people out today cleaning up the village, planting and pruning trees, painting everything that doesn’t move white, simple really, it would never catch on in britland.
Aldersyde Avenue
“Roll on the football. I cannot wait until 29 July when the Huns make their debut in The Quarter Of Sports Mixtures Challenge Cup”
that is my birthday….though it’s probably a bit of a birthday for all of us
Ten Men Won The League on 16 July, 2012 at 14:44 said:
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I was aware of Bocanegra’s offers, but if he wants to, he could sit back and enjoy a nice slice of £10k per week for two years until he’s 35.
By nice slice, I mean: the full £10k (or whatever he’s on).
Is Alexander still there? He’s another on silly money from what I recall and must be pushing 35 already. No like for like offers there then. Montrose away it is for you Neil.
I wonder how much wages these ‘end of career’ guys are taking from der orkenkind in total – must be kicking on £50k per week.
^^ or as I like to think of it: 9,000 orcs through the gate every other week.
TBB,
I normally take posters on here at their word, it appears I was wrong, I sit corrected.
You are correct, I checked the spl website and it apears topping and two new members were elected, every day a school day, do my own research before making an erchie of myself.
hail hail
McCoist – “ I’ve Only 6 Players” – Good News Ally! You’ve Got Over 40 to Pick From!
Now that the smoke has cleared, and the prospect of a last minute “switcheroo” for Mr Green’s team into the SPL, or SPL2, has gone, we can start to think about football.
However, Mr McCoist is not happy regarding the number of players he has, and the fact that, until Sevco Scotland Ltd is successful in having SFA Membership transferred from Rangers Football Club PLC (in administration) he cannot register any new players.
This also ignores the outcome of the Appellate Tribunal under Lord Carloway, and the suggestions that Mr Green would be asked to accept as a sanction the registration ban declared ultra vires by Lord Glennie.
But fear not Ally – I have had a quick look, and you have got lots of players!
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/07/16/mccoist-ive-only-6-players-good-news-ally-youve-got-over-40-to-pick-from/
Embdy any idea when ole Cadizzy’s birthday is?
I’d like to hang out some bunting.
Dundee at Dens Park brings back memeries.
Last time I was there I was arrested for signing “Stephen Hughes has got no Shoes” on repeat. I was wearing my Armagh Jersey so stood out like a sore thumb as I was marched around the back of the goals, as Celtic attacked.
I remember thinking “I hope my ma isn’t watching this and sees me…”
20-odd other Celtic fans arrested that day for equally trivial issues. All one-man to a cell. The Celtic Song got an airing, as did BOTB. But after the cell doors were rattled and everyone told to shut the feck up (replace ‘e’ with ‘u’) the wee guy opposite started signing Queen: I want to break free…
Cue much laughter and futher, Queen related, communal singing.
Dundee? Welcome back. Dens Park? I wont be going back there in a hurry….
The Battered Bunnet on 16 July, 2012 at 13:17 said:
Celtic First
Remember the old Deus ex Machina?
Didnae work :¬)
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Lovely image, TBB.
The combined brainpower & Machiavellian machinations of Murray, Whyte, Green, Ogilvie, Regan & Doncaster was enough to banjax even the dependable getaway vehicle of the old Greek Gods.
Wonga FC in the Ramsden’s Cup is the perfect ending to this epic farce.
Wee minger
The campaign of misinformation with regards to the newhuns ‘history’ has been in full swing for more than a few weeks.
Both BBC and STV, the radio phone ins, and the msm are all doing their bit to appease the newhuns.
It’s the same at work, in pubs and anywhere else you come into contact with a fan of newhuns fc.
In order to challenge the lies, we have to be able to counter their arguements. You maybe heard Duffield the other night on RC. As soon as it was mentioned that the newhuns were a new entity, he immediately came back with whataboutery, citing Celtic in ’94 changing the company’s name. Very easy to fob him off if you know the answer, but how many Celtic fans would be able to resond quickly to his barb?
I read the D.Mail online, and with every comment on a newhuns’s story that mentions ‘punishment’ or ‘demotion’, I try to counter it asap.
We need people to counter their arguements at every turn, correcting them where need be.
SPF
SPF
cadizzy on 16 July, 2012 at 14:41 said:
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…” on 16 July, 2012 at 14:39 said:
“We are all seasoned veterans”
Carraway wi’ ye! Dill be more of these puns? This is mint tae be a football blog!
Rogue
Let’s say (no really…) Sevco sells the same number of season tickets as Rangers did last season.
That’s 40,000 bears at £12 x 18 games per noggin = £8.6 Million.
Bit of sponsorship – Tennents deal ended with liquidation – say £500K
Some trackside – £250K
Bit of Corp Hosp – £250K
Slice of BBC Alba deal – £10K
Trickle down of SPL Solidarity Payment – £30K
Lucky draws v Celtic in both Cups comps – £2M
It is near impossible for Sevco to generate more the £12M revenue in D3 and D2, and in all likelihood, will be lucky to get even half of that.
In the meantime, they need to rebuild their retail operation as the JJB deal expired with liquidation.
They need to procure a first team, albeit the requisite standard of player is somewhat easier to find…
Fag packet says Sevco needs to pony up £8M to float the club and cover costs in season 1, similar again for every season outside of the top flight.
When they get into the top flight, they can look forward to another big cash demand to support player recruitment to play in the SPL. That’s when the fans will need to subscribe for shares.
Sevco will be able to offload the shares when they next qualify for Europe, earliest around 4 years from now, more likely 2017, by which point they will have burned upwards of £40M of investors’ cash.
Of course the bears will weigh-in big style, and buy out Sevco for a meaningful return on its investment, say 20% over 5 years, so say £50M from the fans summer of 2016. Bit of a problem with that bit.
Doesn’t really work, does it…
Sevco can call itself any old thing it wants as far as I’m concerned…..WE don’t have to deal with that load of howlers any more…and if they’re stupid enough to call themselves any variation of ‘ragers’ and try to have whatever transferred over from the corpse,then they’ll find BDO and HMRC right on their case with very sharp knives. No more do they have the ‘protection’ of the masonic cabal that used to run the show in Scotland. After the fall of their beloved propaganda wing (rfc) they’ll be left back in the 17th. Century where they belong as the rest of Scotland quickly catches up with itself.
I think you’ll find,that as of today,everything that has transpired was really a cunning plan of Jabba’s all along…..well,that’s what he’ll tell everyone anyway,as he hauls his fat around Glasgow.
DBBIA
Re Bunting….good idea. A double celebration since it is also the 31st anniversary of Chuck and Di getting married though I’m not sure if they’re still together. Jenny Bond would know.
The Battered Bunnet on 16 July, 2012 at 15:01 said:
They have rates to pay for Ipox of around £2m.
On the other hand they should be OK for towels for a wee bit.
Oldtim
You have mail
So, in a nutshell then, is it ok for me to have my ice-cream now?
Jenny Bond?
Good Tim, Celtic daft.
That’s why Camilla got her sacked from the Beeb.
“A fair day’s wage for a fair day’s labour.”
So what will diddy mgr. Sally get for doin’ his worst managing a ‘diddy’ club,with not enough players to fulfil criteria?
Ernie
Yip, it costs about £10M to run a pared back football operation out of Ibrox. That’s before first team wages…
The Battered Bunnet – In the meantime, they need to rebuild their retail operation as the JJB deal expired with liquidation.
A combination of e-commerce and traditional nonvirtual-presence-based retail should do the trick.
So, eBay and a stall at the Barras. (thumbsup)
Malorbhoy -how are you?
Kian looking to drive the Div3 new boys round Shangri La ?
Or is the Kian bus too big?
TBB,
Do you know how long doncaster has left on his contract
Does topping hold a position in the sfa, if so why was he allowed to resign from one and not the other and why was he allowed to retake his place.
And yer right,
“It was agreed that the SPL would work with the Scottish FA, SFL and Rangers to facilitate Rangers FC taking their place in SFL Division 3 this season.”
This is evidene that the corrption still exists, why did the spl clubs pass up this opportunty to lead by example, is it still the will of the spl
fan and patriot, south of tunis
I agree – the best visiting player seen at Celtic Park, and he was past his peak by then.
TBB – do you think Chico has realised yet that this is not going to work? he hasn’t even got a breakeven exit strategy anymore now
DBBIA
It is well known that Camilla is a Worthy Matron in the Eastern Star…..as is Charles.
Aldersyde
I have view of life based in experience that if I look for the best in anything I will find it as long as I never give up looking.
Call it a love filled attitude.
The opposite is a fear filled attitude, the attitude of Regan and Doncaster and Jabba and the msm generally.
Men of faith in love were promised it never ever fails, always endures.
Mind you its endurance takes time to manifest itself, but I am very grateful that both you and I are around to witness that manifestation. For me it is affirmation of my attitude for you it is an opportunity to reflect, one I am sure you will not pass up.
I am hopeful that not only will the fears msm have peddled not materialise but other damaging factors will be addressed as the game recovers. There are signs of that happening already, indeed I’m hoping to hear something from Celtic that is a charitable response to our new situation.