Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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Malorbhoy
just returned from another couple of days down at caravan at Beatock/Moffat..
was a last minute thing so no prior warning to give you a bell
Camilla Parker Bowles is also the Baroness of Renfrew though she has no claim to the ferry
…..and she is 65 tomorrow. Jenny Bond is bringing the ice cream and jelly to the party.
Big pals just hrd thems no gettin in. <o))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foahtz9xnw8
Jenny Bond 65?
Jings. I was always sceptical when she claimed she was at Lisbon but it looks like she was not speaking with forked tongue.
Hope she has a good one.
BTW
Any cyclists out there: Get your bike along to Kirroughtree at Newton Stewart in ole Shangri La. Exceptional. Absolutely exceptional.
If you don’t want to/ can’t take your bike, The Breakpad shop on site rents top quality bikes and other kit.
It’s a bit Weeee… then a bit Aaaaagh!
Magic
ernie lynch on 16 July, 2012 at 13:34 said:
Bob Crampsie reckoned the best Scottish club side he had ever seen was the Dundee team that reached the semi final of the European Cup in 1962/3.
The man was an idiot.
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From Wikipedia: Robert “Bob” Crampsey (8 July 1930 – 27 July 2008) was a Scottish association football historian, author and broadcaster, described as a “much loved Scottish cultural institution” by The Times.
He had a Doctorate in Sports Journalism from Stirling University.
Born in Glasgow, Crampsey was a widely respected pundit on BBC Radio Scotland’s Sportsound from 1987 until retiring in 2001. He was also a mainstay of STV’s Scotsport. Crampsey was the author and editor of the Now You Know column of the Glasgow Evening Times, where he would answer sporting questions submitted by readers, until 2006.
A graduate of the University of Glasgow and former head teacher of St. Ambrose High School in Coatbridge, Crampsey was 1965’s “Brain of Britain”. He followed this up eight years later by reaching the semi-finals of Mastermind, choosing the American Civil War as his specialist subject. He was also an associate of the Royal College of Music and a keen fan of Somerset County Cricket Club. He served in the Royal Air Force from 1952 to 1955.
He also taught history at Holyrood. He and his brother both played in goals (at different times) for Queens Park.
“Empty vessels etc……………”
naw…the Camilla thing is 65
I am totally surprised at the number of green huns who come on here and denigrate people on benefits.
The only reason most of us are here at all is because of ‘the cradle to the grave’ ethos of the NHS (and if you think free medical care isn’t a ‘benefit’ then you’re insane) and the lifting out of poverty for so many of the poor,disadvantaged and disabled.
If you want to see ‘benefit scroungers’ you need look no further than both houses of parliament and the ‘royal’ family.
There are books,such as ‘The Profitable Use of Unemployment’,by V. Illich,but then the kinda folk who slag people less fortunate than themselves are completely brainwashed,and thus immune to reason and debate.
Remember Brother Walfrid and exactly why he started up our club,before you start spouting ‘thatcherism’ and all the vile ideas associated with it.
Remember that one of the things that fascist old boot liked to quote from the bible,ffs,was,”Those who shall not work,shall not eat.”,as she wandered off into another taxpayer funded beanfeast.
Rogue
It doesn’t look too clever irrespective of what he does. That offer from the tattered Cardigan is looking pretty good right now.
Evils of work have kept me off CQN for a while but golfers, no need to worry, CQN Open 2012 (Friday 3 August) is almost with us! Will email guys going later on this week with more details. We’ve a record 54 golfers, tee offs start at 12pm and continue till 2.50pm. Have a wee think about whether you want an earlier or later slot. I will email you about this. Big Yogi doing the after dinner stuff, all the usual fundraising and nonsense. Will be a celebratory, totally sold out night. Cannae wait!
dont
She did did she? I hrd its her face Lady Ga Ga wrote the Poker Face song abt. What a fizzogg!!??
Cadizzy -thanks for clarification, I was goin’ to hire a bigger gazebo. When is ole Jenny’s birthday?
Afternoon bhoys froma sun drenched Black Sea.
Sorry to break the blog but can some of the guys overseas check out for me if they can still listen to Clyde 1 radio through this link:
http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/wmp.asp
Seems its not working now for us guys oversea’s.
Many thanks.
TBB – of course if they went part-time it may alleviate some of those financial pressures….
So Crampsey said the best Scottish team he ever saw was Dundee??
The mans an IDIOT!!!!
The Battered Bunnet on 16 July, 2012 at 14:45:
The use of the word ‘Facilitate’ intrigues me. I suspect this is a subtle hint that Sevco Scotland Ltd. were not expecting to be offered a position in Division Three and therefore are not prepared for what has come to pass.
The Battered Bunnet on 16 July, 2012 at 15:01:
This post reiterates my inference drawn from your earlier post, I doubt that Sevco will be able to raise enough cash in time for operating costs and then of course there is the question how many players can they persuade to sign?
I predicted a while back that the chances of the Third Lanark scenario happening were about 15%. Today I’ll offer even money.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
John Bomber Brown@johnbomberbrown
SFA won’t allow RFC to go to DIV 3. They will form an SPL 2. I URGE RANGERS TO SAY NO TO SANCTIONS!!!
ha ha ha ha ha ha
praecepta on 16 July, 2012 at 15:20 said: …….
I started a response to Ernie’s silly remarks about Bob Crampsey, but I quickly lost the will.
You have said it more eloquently.
Ernie, you have made a lot of very foolish posts.
Even for YOU, this one was unworthy.
Tweet tweet
Gregory Ioannidis @LawTop20
I would like to remind everyone that the SFA’s relationship with its members is a contractual one and open to judicial review.
A review of the SFA what a great idea…
Campbell c’mon now don’t be shy…
praecepta on 16 July, 2012 at 15:20 said:
‘He and his brother both played in goals (at different times) for Queens Park.
I can’t help thinking that the bit in parenthesis is redundant.
“Jennifer “Jennie” Bond (born 19 August 1950) is an English journalist and television presenter who was actually born in the east end of Glasgow. She worked for fourteen years as the BBC’s royal correspondent.[1] She has most recently hosted Cash in the Attic and narrated the five series programme, Great British Menu.
She worked for the BBC until 2003 but was dismissed for offering the Duchess of Cornwall “a square go” following the latter’s negative reaction to Ms Bond’s singing of the BOTOB.[2] Ms Bond was led away by security personnel shouting “‘get it right up ye, ya horse-faced auld tramp, Up the ‘Ra'”
…..according to Chief Superintendent Barlow and PC Murdoch, that is
Off for a wee siesta now. Adios.
Ramsden Cup?
Hope they get battered!
Coatonalreadycfc
We keep being told that Scottish football is as poor as its ever been, and much of the blame does lie at the door of Murray and his illegal spending. However it annoys me to hear anyone, especially the msm, sticking the boot into football in this country. Its obvious we are victims of the gross imbalance in TV revenues and cant compete with the bigger nations. Having said that, both ourselves and the huns have reached Euro finals in the last decade. Scotland can only be fairly judged against nations of similar size. If we take the following- Sweden Switzerland Denmark Austria Croatia Norway and Greece, and add in bigger nations like Turkey Russia and Poland, the comparisons make for good reading. Off the top of my head, Scotland has a better club european record than all these countries. Our clubs have reached 9 finals, winning 3 trophies.
Paul67 mentioned the exploits of Dundee in the early 60’s and he’s right; they produced some terrific performances, as did Kilmarnock (who lost a fairs cup semi to Leeds the night before Lisbon), Dunfermline who shouild have made the 65 fairs cup final, and Hibs who thrashed Napoli around the same era. In fact most teams in the SPL can shout about something they’ve done in Europe. The greatest achievement being our lot becoming the first non-latin club, first British, first Northern European club etc to win the big cup. I agree that Scottish football has seen better times, when the playing field was more level, but as a wee country of 5 million, we can hold our heads high in general terms. As another aside, Scotland is also the biggest supported football nation in Europe per capita.
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Ernie, I love the parenthesis. PG Wodehouse could have written that.
I remember that golden generation of Dundee players you mention in your leader, Paul. Their results were no fluke and their general play was way ahead of the time. The players I remember were Gilzean, Ure and Penman, I think.
In about 1960 they came to a packed CP as league leaders and were one up at HT. I should have been 1-1 but a goal from a very young Bobby Lennox was chalked off for ungentlemanly conduct ie running too fast. Jim Brogan’s brother got the equaliser and big Billy out-jumped Ian Ure to head the winner in the 90th minute.
BTW Celtic weren’t even remotely in the hunt for that title. They just did what Celtic did then – play brilliantly one game in four then revert to loser mode.
I’m in the process of compiling a list of the most humourless posters on here.
And you are definitely a contender.
Don’t get your hopes up too much though, there’s some pretty strong competition.
If Jenny B is headed for the big hoose (not that one) she may have time to write her magnum opus on a really big royal question:
Did Chuck chuck Di or did Di chuck Chuck?
Is this the same Ernie??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1xvyTdBZI
cadizzy
Funniest thing that I’ve read this week
‘A list of the most humourless posters on the bhlog’?
Not a very Sellick minded undertaking, but each to his own larks I suppose.
Rivera the best away player seen at CP?- cant agree great player though he was although I thought his predecessor the Uruguyan Schiaffano better. My memories of the 69 ECQF was that the Rosseneri barely crossed the halfway line apart from the Prati goal and their goalie, Albertosi, performed heroics. Truth be told we should have beat them home and away.As for Rivera being past it I dont think so he was probably still in his mid 20’s. Now Bobby Murdoch ……
ernie lynch on 16 July, 2012 at 15:31 said:
praecepta on 16 July, 2012 at 15:20 said:
‘He and his brother both played in goals (at different times) for Queens Park.
I can’t help thinking that the bit in parenthesis is redundant.
The parenthesis were for the benefit of any lurking pedants! :-)
Ernie,
I had not realised that all those negative posts of yours were only a reflection of your dry sense of humour.
I will read them differently now that I know.
Thanks.
Cadizzy
Brilliant
Weefra HH
A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely saying, “I must have taken Leif off my census.”
Teuchter
some of us long time lurkers can remember Bob Crampseys great Dundee team, and might almost -I do say almost – agree with him. One thing that is not in dispute- in my estimation-is that Mr Crampsey was one of the fairest sports commentators ever to grace the airwaves in Scotland-and manifestly was not an idiot sir.