Do you remember the game after the Cluj Champions League debacle last August? Of course you do, you are still chasing the cold from you bones, it was a League Cup encounter with Dunfermline at Celtic Park, where the Championship club took the game to extra time. The game, the only domestic cup tie in 34 games we have not won in 90 minutes, was six minutes from going to penalties before James Forrest settled things.
I don’t know what happened in the dressing room between Cluj and Dunfermline but I cannot imagine it is a happier workplace this week. This is Celtic and everything goes on the line every game. Let’s not have a repeat of the Dunfermline performance.
I know a few Motherwell fans and they are unanimous in their praise of David Turnbull, their star 21-year-old midfielder who joined Celtic on a reported £3m deal yesterday. Turnbull originally signed for Celtic in June last year, before failing a medical. A knee operation, and the best part of a year in recuperation, saw him clinch his dream move yesterday.
The question now for the manager is, how does he shape his midfield? Therein lies the answer to our season.
Welcome to Celtic, David.
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Anybody quoting the halfwits from Etims is for the watching.
A bunch of pish-stained fantasists who’ve replaced humour with vitriol.
Data works. There is enough proof for its value in the world and kicking around is a great study in Liverpool’s use of it (from its Fenway Red Sox owners) to push on in the last few years.
Of course we can resort to the old 1980s blood and snotters, reincarnation of Peter the Pointer way of managing but the world passes you by, a bit like our status in Europe really.
Adi- Broonie was bought as a box to box MF,but played holding role for about 8 years? We don’t want to take the goal threat from Turnbull’s game,a replacement for Rogic IMO HH
NorrieM,
Absolutely. I share your view on Greg Taylor but beyond more bodies the CHs have come in for OTT criticism early doors. They are 2 good CHs with soem flaws (that’s what we’ll replace them with unless we hit the VVD jackpot).
Eddy is out for the weekend. You think he will start a striker or are we doubling down?
Why are we so obsessed with ‘finding Broonie’s replacement’?
Other systems / types of players / formations and skillsets are available.
When I hear that phrase it feels like we want to SEE someone running around, banging into players, screaming in their faces, pointing and of course with a buzzcut.
We are in the dark ages in this country.
Let Turnball come in and be magnificent and be himself. Let other teams worry about our plethora of talent rather than finding someone who can kick as well as those 2 at Kilmarnock?
LAZYDYNAMITE
Agree that Newcastle are a potentially great club. Had the Saudis taken over, they could’ve really soared.
However, as they are now, with Ashley in charge and Steve Bruce as manager (although I admit he did a great job last season), midtable is still the best they can hope for.
Unless Ashley sells and there’s a bit of investment, Newcastle could hold back Eddie’s career.
don’t know who writes the specification for a centre back to play in the SPL and the odd game in Europe but they have to stop shopping in pets r us to and buying pussies to go against rottweillers
Ajer is a cracking player who’s massively underappreciated. Plenty of times he’s the guy sweeping up behind and saving us thanks to his pace.
Frimpong gives us that but nobody else does.
I agree with Big Wavy’s comments regarding the team’s positioning. If we have somebody up front who can take one of the countless chances we wouldn’t be defending the halfway line.
Our lack of potency left our defenders exponsed.
When I hear that phrase it feels like we want to SEE someone running around, banging into players, screaming in their faces, pointing and of course with a buzzcut.
We are in the dark ages in this country.
agree we have to move both in attitude and style.
Signings to play less than 30 games and loan signings to play less than 15 games during 9 in a row
Mo Bangura
Dylan McGeouch
Badr El Kaddouri
Andre Blackman
Rabiu Ibrahim
Pawel Brozek
Amido Balde
Miku
Lubos Kamenar
Lassad Nouioui
Rami Gershon
Victor Noring
Steven Mouyokolo
Derk Boerrigter
Holmbert Fridjohnsson
Jo Inge Berget
Aleksandr Tonev
Mubarak Wakaso
Stefan Scepovic
Saidy Janko
Logan Bailly
Scott Allan
Tyler Blackett
Carlton Cole
Colin Kazim Richards
Dorus De Vries
Kundai Benyu
Marvin Compper
Lewis Morgan
Charly Musonda
Emilio Izaguirre (2nd spell)
Daniel Arzani
Youssouf Mulumbu
Vakoun Bayo
Marian Shved
Andrew Gutman
Manny Perez
Jeremy Toljan
Luca Connell
Hatem Elhamed
Moritz Bauer
Lee O’Connor
Patryk Klimala
Ismaila Soro
43 bodys. . Absolute shambles
BIG WAVY on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:34 AM
Under Rodgers Brown was a bit more than that wasn’t he?
He was the man who kept the play ticking over by always remaining available for a safe pass.
majestic hartson
From last night. Do not want to dwell on it but will always respond to any poster If I can. The Kieran Tierney debacle was discussed on here eighteen months ago and more, as in while he was still a Celtic player, not least by Mad Mitch and TBB and by yours truly. My own view is that his fitness problems were a combination of the brutality of the SPL, the possible use of painkillers, being overplayed and, and this is important, the fact that he was still growing up. His recent comments prove to me that he still has a lot of the latter to do.
…buying pussies to go against rottweillers”
– Is everybody listening to Snoop Doggy Dog in lockdown? That’s a few times posters have gone a bit Dr Dre on us…:)
!!BADA BING!! on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:38 AM
This is the classic “this only happens at Celtic” thing
Recruitment isn’t a science and every team will have a list like that. Even the big teams like Real Madrid put a massive amount of “projects” through their books who never make it.
Ronnie diela said after a European defeat the players were scared, think it was comnons who said he was not scared nor was anyone else, undermined the manager, he was then doomed as nothing was done and NL has just undermined himself, he is finished its a question of when
TIMALOY29 on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:39 AM
BIG WAVY on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:34 AM
Under Rodgers Brown was a bit more than that wasn’t he?
He was the man who kept the play ticking over by always remaining available for a safe pass.
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What was the criticism of Brendan – endless possession, side to side passing. Of course Brown was the man – it played to his limitations…..
I respectfully never mentioned Scott’s lack of a killer pass. But as you’ve raised it. It’s not his game.
Lenny had one of the worst nights in his managerial career on Wednesday.
From his team selection, in game management to his post match interviews, it was awful. The sum of all fears in terms of football management.
However, Lennon is also the man that overseen 26 league wins from 30 games last season.
His domestic league record is second only to Stein.
Lennon knows how to win league titles so I’m prepared to stick with him and park everything else until after the ten is done.
That wasnt my point…anyway…
is celtic pass available when abroad ?
big Wavy…”Let Turnball come in and be magnificent and be himself. Let other teams worry about our plethora of talent rather than finding someone who can kick as well as those 2 at Kilmarnock?”
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👍🏻 Put him in the team and let him play his game. It’s why we bought him, I hope.
Bada Bing…send that list to PL…
Last two games
51 shots on Goal, 2 scored. A stramash and a deflected effort.
Discuss.
Todays press conference just rounds it all off . The manager and coaching staff need to go asap, before
it becomes too late. We need to think about the bigger picture here.
This 10 in a row is doing my head in.
TIMALOY29- Real Madrid budget a wee bit bigger than ours, and they like other big clubs, horde players to loan them out,huge fees paid now,it circumvents FFP,
!!BADA BING!! on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:57 AM
TIMALOY29- Real Madrid budget a wee bit bigger than ours, and they like other big clubs, horde players to loan them out,huge fees paid now,it circumvents FFP,
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Everything is relative. Every club signs players who don’t make it. That list included 3rd choice keepers and guys we only brought on loan to be backups etc.
You could do that for any club was my point. Even clubs who are on our financial level in Belgium or Portugal etc.
Our recruitment strategy has been abysmal under successive managers.
Our CEO’s sweet spot for a cheeky £2m punt is like a failed gambling addict at the slot machine. Rarely pays out but he keeps hoping.
It’s like we are in a formula1 race, everyone lined up rarin’ to go, lights about to go green and our manager is still pumping up the tyres…
It’s deja vu all over again, innit?
I do wish PL would come on here and answer some questions. Why do we always appear so ill-prepared at the start of these games?
Stay away from Vegas Peter!
BIG WAVY on 28TH AUGUST 2020 11:52 AM
Last two games
51 shots on Goal, 2 scored.
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And a good goal ruled offside. Which if given would have changed the narrative. But hey ho, them’s the vagaries.
Lenny’s ‘great lads’ comment comes too late to undo the damage, I fear .
For most fans and more importantly for the players . Captain Broony has a big job to do in the dressing room.
Amid all the rancour (and words that rhyme with) it’s good to get data points to help inform reactions.
The informative CelticByNumbers did a benchmark analysis of our central defenders early in 2020:
http://celticbynumberscom.ipage.com/centre-health/ They compared our crop against 30 CBs from 15 clubs.
The number crunchers discovered that “Jullien and Ajer are Celtic’s stand out pair and…our crop of options is decent at Europa League level” They also said, injuries aside, Jozo’s performance stats stacked up pretty well.
So bhoys, is our problem really a defensive one or – as BW has just suggested – actually an offensive one ? HH
Bada
Jack Hendry
Christian Gamboa ??
I could probably think of more
Would they not make this list 🤔
Ernie
Just for you then.
Last two games
51 shots on Goal, (3) scored.
Discuss?
ERNIE LYNCH on 28TH AUGUST 2020 12:04 PM
And a good goal ruled offside. Which if given would have changed the narrative. But hey ho, them’s the vagaries.
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Don’t think you can say it’s definitive either way. The only angle available is pretty inconclusive.
Quadro
Could have been 4-2 on Wednesday , so I would say our problems are at both ends but more so up front
Big Wavy
Thought our recruitment issue was Lee Congerton & Brendan
Or was that just a discrediting narrative
Lenny had a great eye for a player
So Who on earth scouted Bolingoli, Klimala who is not ready, Taylor, Soro??
Only Taylor getting a game, and that for me is due to circumsances
All the talk about NL takes the focus away from the real culprits — the exec level.
The Irish Raj controls the club through a 43% voting stake and takes money out the club on an annual basis. Since his dream of moving us the the EPL — arbitrage at its finest — has now gone very cold we are now a sideshow to him and he wants no financial drama from CP.
He has given up / chucked it / forgotten about us / thrown in the towel — 4 years is a long time ago..
Now it is all about safety first and no financial surprises for our man in the Caribbean.
Now it is all down to PL — second rate property bean counter of no repute to man or dog — who has been tasked with keeping the club ticking over and to make matters worse is now being paid a kings ransom to make sure DD is not disturbed.
So back to life in the slow lane.
We have a CEO who thinks he is bigger than the club.
Who has a history of willy waving / ego trips / control freakery / huge bonuses / no leadership abilities.
And a history of wasting money on agent friendly purchases and losing us money due to his inability to set the club up for CL qualifiers.
His ego and stupidity have cost us league titles as well as costing us huge amounts of revenue.
But he is cute — he plays the astroturf game / he manages the interweb / he has his own pet journalists.
This is the reason for the failure on Wednesday — failure at the top.
NL is just a consequence of this failure.
He walked in 2014 with a helping hand from those above him because he saw the money game being played and the odds were stacked against him.
He came back as a stopgap who knew the score / knew what he was getting himself in for and took up the poisoned chalice of being PL poodle in challenging times.
NL should never have been offered a job he couldn’t refuse.
The club has a duty of care and putting NL in firing line — literally to the shame of the nation — for a second time on the basis that it suited the execs in that he was cheap / malleable / available / had club connections is just a lazy exec level taking the easy option at the expense of NL’s future health and the performance of the club.
With the benefit of hindsight it can be seem that some prep work had been done regarding BR flouncing out to take up a position in the EPL …
SC turns up surprisingly at Killie.
DD(II) turns up as a coach at CP.
NL takes up a job in the SPL.
Horrible to think that when the decision was made PL championed the guy he had most control over to the detriment of all other considerations.
No matter the past surely the future will be brighter as we learn from our mistakes?
No chance.
CP coaching roster — old pals act / club connections / no innovation.
Squad set up — poor conditioning / poor coaching / poor tactics.
Player management — all a numbers game / everyone knows they have a price and finance rules.
Recruitment — back to the future at every level …
Conveyor belt of £2/3mill projects that are very agent friendly and football ability light.
Paying top dollar if we manage to cross the £5mill threshold — who cares as long as DD is not bothered.
PL has to go — his fingerprints are all over our repeated failures.
NL is just a lightning rod put out to spread the blame.
Change is required — if we fail this year we are toast.
The failure will not just be sporting and financial it will be emotional as well.
You really have to be a particular form of useless to muck it up but PL is well on his way to finishing us of.
You have to ask why and who benefits from his and our failure?
TFOD2 / the bookies?
Ok.
Shots from a distance. Ryan is turning into Kris Commons. His success rate is piss poor and the chances from scoring inside the box diminish rapidly so we progress up the park, play it in a line. Go left sided, Greg pushes it back and sideways. Guy most central (it’s Scott Brown) continues to play it sideways and we end up with a shot from Ryan…
Repeat and rinse.
Was it not Mikey Johnston who scored that day?
Stats are only one part of the puzzle
Jucojames tweet was on etims as was the response – two opposing views, go figure