This evening’s announcement by Dunfermline Athletic that they no longer expect to receive timely receipt of the £80,000 ticket money Rangers FC PLC (in administration) owe them will heighten concerns at Inverness Caledonian Thistle, who have a stock at tickets with Rangers right now, money for which will be received by the administrators in advance of their game later this month.
The administrators have yet to decide whether to retain high-earning players or make more funds available for existing creditors, and future creditors, like Inverness. As ticket sales for the Inverness game are on-going, the administrators will need to be aware of their legal position before retaining a premium squad.
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Are the politicians that spoke up to safeguard the 177 jobs at Ibrox serious?
If it takes the taxpayer to subsidise 177 jobs to the tune of 75 million pounds over ten years then at least make the jobs useful to society.
Let the Ibrox staff compile data on sectarian crime or clean graffiti off of church walls.
Zbyszek 08.16 – My sympathies.
aeseven – it’s stv ?
A lot of political comments over the past day with various politicians giving us the benefit of
their opinion.
Don’t argue about what they say, take it all with a pinch of salt. Politicians are career liars.They are paid well to say what the majority want to hear.
Today could be the start of the redundancies at Ibrox.Hopefully the well paid playesr take most of the hits. Interesting to see what will happen to that wee snivelling, diving, cheating, moaning rat Naismith. Karma and ice cream.
If Rangers get relegated to Div3 their best hope of coming through the leagues would be to sign our under 19’s, would we co-operate?
http://www.blue-knights.eu/
http://www.blueknights.org/
dessybhoy says:
16 February, 2012 at 08:38
They couldn’t afford our under 19’s – coming to think of it, they can’t afford their under 19’s
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=blue%20nights&rh=n%3A301889%2Ck%3Ablue%20nights&page=1
Good morning friends. Bumped into a Jambo ST holder at work just there. He says if Huns are saved into SPL, many Jambos will walk, for the same reason many on here have stated, i.e. SPL a league run to the benefit of one club = no point in participating.
McFall – What ,if anything, is his angle? Save Huns or pump them ? I don’t know, any clues?
EC67
Morning all, after receiving my response from Maegarer Curran I have sent this reply.
Hi Margaret, thanks for responding.
Here’s an article below I would love you to comment on because its puzzling me why there isn’t the same outcry from you and other MSP’s on this, it really does puzzle me and 60,000 voters.
500 jobs going at a major retailer peacocks yet rangers have 185 employees on their books yet you and other MSP’s are he’ll bent on looking after 185 employees of RFC.
This company paid all their taxes yet RFC have cheated the tax payer out of millions and they have cheated other teams out of millions by buying players that other teams couldn’t afford.
So please Margaret can you explain this to me because I am seriously astounded by the government’s stance on this.
We have a club who have dodged tax and we have a legit company who has played by the rules, how can you try and explain this to an honest taxpayer in this country.
I think Mr Salmond has lost the catholic vote and 60,000 Celtic supporters with this stance.
The establishment circles the wagons…
Published on Thursday 16th February, 2012 by Celtic Trust
140 years of ‘history and tradition’ or fiscal honesty and sporting integrity – take your pick.
I was sitting having a cup of tea after my dinner this evening, reading my preferred Glasgow evening paper (I think there might only be one!), when I read of a Scottish firm which had recently gone into administration. The piece was only a small one (two columns on page 7) but it talked about the role of the administrators and it talked about the fear of the workforce and the number of jobs that would be lost. The jobs numbered 487 and, whatever the reason was for the demise of the firm, you had to feel sorry for every one of those nearly 500 people who, through no fault of their own, are facing the threat of unemployment in this harsh economic climate. However, in the case of the firm in question, the chain store Peacocks, which has 40 stores across Scotland, there did not seem to be a queue of MSPs waiting to voice their support for the workers and call for all measures to be taken to save the company and secure their jobs. There was no appearance on television of our First Minister telling the world that Scotland ‘needs’ Peacocks; that the creditors of Peacocks need to come to a sensible solution to keep the firm in business. No, there was none of that, and yet the job losses involved here are nearly double that of Rangers FC, another large Scottish firm recently forced into administration. Funny that…
Yes, dear reader, it didn’t take long, did it? Two days into administration and the Establishment in its many guises is getting to work to save Rangers FC. From our Sports Minister, Shona Robison, to the Deputy First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon (who at least has a constituency interest), to Alex Salmond himself (not to mention Labour’s Patricia Ferguson and Margaret Curran, who want to give themselves a good talking to!), they all waxed lyrical about the importance of this great ‘institution’ to Scottish society; its vital role in Scottish football; its’ 140 year illustrious history and its great ‘culture and traditions’. I’ve left the best till last and I still can’t believe he actually said this, but our First Minister actually argued for retaining Rangers because of the ‘fun’ they bring to Scottish society. I’ve just checked all the dictionary definitions of the word ‘fun’ and I’m fairly certain Alex has made a mistake here…
For the moment, lets leave aside the specifics of what they mean by the history and traditions of Rangers – no-one spelled it out but could they actually mean their 114 year sectarian signing policy, followed by 22 more years of sectarianism in other forms, flavoured with a healthy dollop of anti-Irish racism to pep it up a bit? I don’t know but I am much more concerned, as a tax-payer and as a ‘consumer’ of Scottish football about what they didn’t say.
There are two fundamental issues here which the press, the television and politicians of all sides are desperately trying to ignore. The first is that if large firms fail to pay the tax they owe then the public, and the public sector loses out. So, while as a life-long trades unionist, I would never want to see workers made redundant, I can’t see why a particular group of workers should be given any more protection than those employed by the smaller creditors of Rangers for example. I also care about those who may lose their jobs in the public sector because of cuts which are made more necessary when firms don’t pay their taxes. I also care about those who rely on public services and welfare spending, both of which are also being cut as the government tries to cut public sector debt. Shona Robison doesn’t seem to care about those things – or at least not to the same extent. Robison’s ‘key concern’, she assured the administrators, is ‘the future of those employed by the club and the potential economic impact of administration’. I don’t know what lead Peacocks into administration but its owners cannot be more culpable than those at Rangers who are alleged to have withheld tax and VAT that they had collected from employees and customers. How come their workers don’t merit the same high-profile interventions that those employed by Rangers FC are now getting?
The second fundamental issue here is the concept of sporting integrity. If Rangers is so ‘crucial’ to the game of football in Scotland that they must be allowed to continue to compete at the highest level even after having cheated their way to titles and cup wins by fielding players they had no right to be signing, then there is no sporting integrity in the SPL. What precisely would I, as a paying customer, be paying to watch? If the SPL and SFA collude with Whyte or anyone else to ensure that Rangers stays in the SPL no matter what, then what value can possibly be placed on the top-flight game in Scotland? It would mean precisely nothing. We might as well all just watch our teams playing exhibition football. Now I’m no economist….no, wait, I am an economist…..but the regulatory mechanism that allowed banks to be ‘too big to fail’ has been severely criticised by all and sundry and we are all still paying the price for that policy. Are we now to see the same ‘too big to fail’ logic applied here because, in this case, we would lose all the ‘fun’ that Rangers bring to our lives?
Salmond, Robison, Sturgeon and the rest could have supported the view that paying your taxes honestly and letting the public sector create jobs directly and indirectly is what is ‘vital’ to Scotland. The could have said one word of condemnation of those who dishonestly and deliberately fail to pay what they owe. Instead they chose to speak out on behalf of a company which has allegedly cheated the taxpayer and the sporting public for years. Maybe we should all visit their surgeries, or write to them, and ask them to justify that choice.
Thanks….
So much is being said and happening I have been trying to summarize the situation as it seems now to stand but wonder if I am I understanding it more or less?
If Rangers do the decent thing and start paying their debts by selling their assets and, in time, come out of administration they will be so under resourced and debt laden for so long that they are bound to go back into administration at future dates –as others have done. This will have the happy consequence of leaving them weak and broken (unless someone gives them 150 million to pay off all debts and creditors and have money to operate), but the 1872/73 club will survive with a little of their dignity intact but unable to compete.
If Rangers take what, in this case, can only be described as the cowards way out – liquidation – then, happily, the 1872/73 club is abolished but their assets will be purchased at a knock down price and will probably return with the same or similar name to SPL in, at worst, 3 years time, debt free, with a strong fighting fund etc., maybe sooner if establishment friends push the boat out for them.
Which outcome is better: for us – administration indefinitely, meaning indefinite weakness and debt, struggling for life, choking; for Rangers supporters – on reflection, probably liquidation as that’s the quickest way to get over all this and, they can tell themselves, it will soon be forgotten (aye right – not by me).
Euro67
I watched Newsnight I could not understand McFall’s point of view and he could not explain it, I think they try to avoid the core issue here and try to cloudy the issue with statements on improving governance in the future
jackie mac at 08:31
Thanks – no wonder I missed it, pretty bland statement TBH.
Not a sniff of condemnation for the dodgy dealings – silly me: they were party to it all.
If the club and their supporters put as much money into football as the media would like you to believe, then let them start in the 3rd division and by the time they reach the SPL again they will have solved all the financial problems in the Scottish lower leagues.
DeniaBhoy
Thank you.
I don’t think Artur Boruc will be happy if he hears that Nacho Novo is going to negotiate contract with his club.
dessybhoy says:
16 February, 2012 at 08:48
Euro67
I watched Newsnight I could not understand McFall’s point of view and he could not explain it, I think they try to avoid the core issue here and try to cloudy the issue with statements on improving governance in the future
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I couldn’t understand his point of vie either nor could the shows presenter,,,,Mcfall sounded like a hurting hun??
Hail hail
Summa @ 7.33
Thank God for the LE Standard.
Early signs of a backlash?
If so, it will begin in England.
McFail is just an idiot. Forget about him. Nobody takes him seriously after he backed that nutter Brown.
I’ve started gaining weight at an alarming rate. I blame all this jelly and ice cream. I hope they go into liquidation soon, if only for the sake of my health.
I have this morning written to Alex Salmond, Shona Robison and Margaret Curran.
Are there any constituents of Central Ayrshire unhappy at their MP (Brian Donohoe) using his office to gain favour for some tax fraudsters? If so: donohoeb@parliament.uk and, more pertinently, standardscommissioner@parliament.uk.
Or Labour supporters who feel that said Mr Donohoe’s support for a fraudulent company with many ties to a sectarian subculture is beneath the party? http://www.labour.org.uk/contact
The Establishment can circle their wagons round the rotting carcass all they like, we’ve still won.
Now tell me why the Scottish Elite of society are not clamouring to save the jobs of the 170 good people losing jobs at Donaghy Limited in Govan who have suffered in the economic downturn and went into liquidation. They never avoided paying tax or used loopholes in the tax system to rob the taxpayers of this country. Do me a favour please close the door on this bigoted little country on your way out.
MORE than 170 construction workers have lost their jobs after a company signalled it was going into liquidation.
Donaghy Limited, which has its headquarters in Govan, Glasgow, appointed joint provisional liquidators on Tuesday and 175 employees, out of a total workforce of 185, have already been made redundant.
The business – set up in 1999 to provide services for the social and private housebuilding markets – had an annual turn-over of around £18 million but is understood to have suffered during the downturn.
Output in the industry fell by 3% in real terms last year, according to industry body ConstructionSkills, and is estimated to drop by 5% this year.
Donaghy was working on more than 30 sites, mainly across central Scotland, when the provisional liquidators were appointed and 165 employees who were based on sites have lost their jobs, along with 10 office-based staff. A further 10 members of staff are remaining in their position to help the provisional liquidators.
picinisco says:
16 February, 2012 at 08:44
I want them liquidated.
I’ve no problem with Celtic having strong competition, so a newco back in the SPL in three years time wouldn’t bother me in the least.
A newco would be followed by the same shower of bigots as Rangers is. It will wear blue shirts, and no doubt black socks with the red band around the top. They may well play at Ibrox.
But they won’t be Rangers. No more 54 titles, no more 5 stars, no more history. Nothing.
Rangers FC 1872-2012 will be dead. And that’s exactly what I want.
I can’t find a record for the world’s longest conga line, I reckon there’s a big opportunity there against the hibees
amadeus, we don’t want to know where Craig Whyte is staying while in Glasgow. Deleted.
Dundee United refusing the huns tickets for next game at Tannadice in 4 weeks time.
Word is they will also back Celtic in opposing newco.
We should take up the ‘away’ tickets for their game with the huns. I’m up for it.
Killie at 8/1 with bet365
I would assume that this would drop once they announce the departures of playing staff.
McFall like every other Tom, Dick or Harry from the media have all been trying to peddle a line that is in itself absurd and totally contradictory, i.e. Rangers must feel the full punishment for their wrong doing BUT they must be also be looked upon favourably.
One is a total contradiction of the other, that’s why they are struggling to explain themselves in any coherent fashion.
Just spoke to a Rangers supporting friend of mine,,,,says that his local Supporters bus have cancelled the rest of the season for away games!!!
Hail hail
Paul67 – everyone will soon know his address. Prisoner 1690, WATP block, HMP Barlinnie
jackie mac
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-3000/longest-conga-on-ice/
No conga on land recorded. Ice has 259 participants.
StMichaelsBhoy2 says:
16 February, 2012 at 09:00
So do I! Preferably humiliated, obliterated, and annihilated.
Possibly my heart is ruling my head…
Morning all.
The pure, sweet schadenfreude of it all still tasting good.
I suspect this situation is a ‘no lose’ for tims.
Fiscally choked in administration; weak and minus any history or legitimacy in the event of a newco.
My how far we’ve come since 1994; the bunnet needs a stand…
I know the administrators have to have a portray a positive outlook but as far as I can see the “Rangers will continue as a football club” is not one they can confidently make. For one thing even if the fans rally to the cause I suspect that it won’t be on a season ticket basis (particularly if this seasons are cancelled), but on a match ticket footing.
If the Ticketus deal really is for c20k seats then I suspect the season ticket income will be minimal. This means that Rangers are going to have real cashflow issues.
It’s all rather pointless anyway, if HMRC don’t take a pennies in the pound deal over a long number of years, there won’t be enough money to pay players anyway.
Rangers Football Club is not a viable business in it’s current form.
According to the statement from Dunfermline yesterday, they are owed £80,000 from Rangers and they owe HMRC £44,000. Wonder would the SNP/Labour politicians be as supportive of Dunfermline if they decided not to pay this tax?
Mort
Just heard on Snyde news that Glasgow District Council are now sticking their nose into how the tax avoiders can be helped , dressed up as limiting the impact on the city .
Already emailed my MSP last night telling him to forget my vote if the politicians help them out , Glasgow councillors are now in the same boat .
Where we’re all these people when we were on the brink , don’t remember any campaign to save us .
Best little country in the world – my arse.
Raging.
Gents
quick question
How many league titles have we won?
p
Jeg er Neil Lennon-Greeninbingley says:
16 February, 2012 at 04:12
‘Michael Kelly.
No-one has asked his opinion about anything for 20 years.
And he has just explained why.’
That’s incorrect.
He was a very articulate critic of the SNP’s Offensive behaviour bill.
His current views though are a bit of a let down.