Assuming Sir David Murray was telling the truth to Sky News in March (bear with me), there is a £10m gap between the sum recorded in Rangers accounts as paid to EBTs and the recipients revealed by the BBC last night.
It may be that the BBC didn’t receive information on some Rangers employees but we should also consider what other non-employees received payment from an Employee Benefit Trust, like Graeme Souness, who was employed by another club at the time.
What other clubs’ employees received a piece of that £10m? Was it only Blackburn Rovers? Did they know about it? Did an employee of another SPL club receive payment from Rangers Employee Benefit Trust?
What about journalists? The cosy relationship between football clubs and sports journalists has been one of the most incongruous features of this debacle.
What about officials? Yes, officials?
We know cash went out of the company, we know how much is unaccounted for, we just don’t know where it went. The already-established multi-association nature of these revelations (it involved a club registered by the Football Association in England) puts the matter beyond the immediate scope of the Scottish authorities, which is some comfort.
Many of the facts have been revealed but this will be a story that is still giving a decade from now. Before Rangers disappear into the ether, the authorities (football and other) must use all leverage possible to discover where that £10m went.
I didn’t see a penny. Did you?
I am still trying to digest the enormity of what was revealed last night. This could take a while.
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wonkyradar on 24 May, 2012 at 14:36 said:
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I’m havin’ the same problem. I bought a sling…haven’t had the heart to use it though…even thought it’s a yappin’ rat dog I don’t sit easy with hurting an animal…even this abomination.
Its owner slings a deaf ear.
Noise abatement outfoxed.
Patience wearing thin.
Even my gentle missus is getting riled.
Mates say poison it.
What to do?
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 24 May, 2012 at 14:47 said:
You’re best yet.
SOT
aye and did you say aye and the pundits too ? :-)))))))
Hail Hail
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 24 May, 2012 at 14:47 said:
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KOWALSKI….THE VANISHING POINT…KOWALSKI
OMFG! I can’t believe I made such a basic grammatical error.
st stivs and raven, was involved in the recruitment side in mid 90’s., Still remember going out with other clients from same area to Edinburgh and the female head of hr giving it a rendition of the billy boys when drunk. Was gobsmacked and my boss didnt know what to say but was apologetic. Just checked linkedin and she’s doing very nicely with the company now, just don’t waste your cv going there anytime soon!!!
weeminger
why thank you ….. I thought you had ditched us for the more serious RTC site ! ;-)
Hail HAil
Awe_Naw_
lol!
Are the SFA, SPL closed today? Should they not be reacting to last night’s programme or maybe they just did npy watch it.
May even listen to Radio Snyde tonight for the comedy value. Keevins will probably now be an expert in EBT’s.
REPUBLIC of Ireland frontman Simon Cox has attracted the interest of Celtic boss Neil Lennon – but he is one of a long list of targets.
The Parkhead club are also running the rule over Club Brugge’s Nigerian striker Joseph Akpala. And the Celtic boss is also keen to bring in Rosenburg midfielder Markus Henriksen to bolster their assault on Europe.
Meanwhile, Celtic have held further talks with Fraser Forster’s agent about the English goalie moving to the club permanently.
The 24-year-old is still under contract at Newcastle, but the clubs have agreed a fee of around £2million.
Lennon this week expressed confidence Forster would see his future at the club.
The Hoops gaffer is also confident top scorer Gary Hooper will put pen to paper on a new contract despite speculation linking him with a move to Southampton again. It had been reported his wage demands were too great for Celtic.
As someone else suggested: the wages of the Premiership may be our biggest obstacle to thrashing out deals to Hoops & FF.
Going back out into sunny garden…needed a break from that f*****g barking…just hope I don’t make the headlines!
Weeminger
I do that …. its my Luddite aurora …. people think its Ready Break but its not.
:-)
HAil Hail
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 24 May, 2012 at 14:47 said:
I’m freaked listening to that right now
I’m bettung there have been a few urgent meetings in Glasgow today.
And all of them started with the words, “What the f*** do we do now?”
Wife made me put on the ‘do as you’re told’ collar this morning and had to go for the messages. Now it’s “get in the garden”! 70* too and me with a bald napper and a dicky ticker. Could be something in signing that will last week! She’s got a shock coming!
Anyhow, to keep you guys ticking over while waiting for Paul’s next course, I thought I would add a few retorts ** to sandman’s enormous post last night. If I get any takers, I might follow up later as I gave up at 03.30 this morning when only about a quarter of the way through the rant.
sandman is neil lennon
“”Bhoys, CQN wasn’t the only place giving live updates through the documentary. Over on FF they devoted a thread to it.
Been wading through it and thought that in the spirit of public interest I’d post some of their choice comments in chronological order.
You’ll find it an often hilarious mix of Hun incredulity, outrage, denial, standard Hun paranoia and comedy.”
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Off to a completely absurd start.
**Aye. It’s about you lot!
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The way this is being done is a piss take.
**Too slow, pal. I was pissing myself hours before it even started.
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This is completely taking the piss. Has it been put together by teenagers?
**They call themselves ‘The Young (H)uns’.
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porn star/tax advisor furfuxsake
**FURKUKLUXKLANSAKE! that’s who ‘shafted’ us. And you didn’t even see his face when he was doin’ us!
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Anybody seen his work?
**Aye. In 3D, Done, Dying, DEID! Behind big widden doors in a BIG HOOSE!
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Hugh Hefner ?
**Absentee Govan landlord?
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This passes as investigative journalism?? A clown with a pipe??
**Popey! Not the most popular cartoon in Govan at the moment.
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Baxendale-Walker looks insane
**So would you at a Govan asylum.
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A Porn Star advised Murray to bring the EBT scheme in! Give me a feckin break!
**Don’t know about the break but he can organise the feckin.
What the **** was that in the build up to this porn guy. ****ing amateur hour here.
**Well, the guy does like his ‘amateur’ videos.
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What the f*ck is a porn star involved for? This is a pantomime
**Not good timing with the circus in town too. Maybe he found the bunch of a***es irresistible?
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A covert location outside Scotland; what an absolute bellend this guy is.
**No, no. Thomas Cook do excellent transfer fee arrangements by side letter.
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I can’t believe what I’m watching here, a ****in pornstar wanting to be considered a hero if we win tax case I really am lost for words!!!
**They are the wee joined up letters you see on the Tesco signs. Better learn them.
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Playing the Doors “this is the end” arseholes
**Mr. Porno’s guide to bears seeking sex.
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Does this nob presenting this programme think he’s doing an episode of blue peter…all that’s missing is the well children are we all sitting comfortably…then let us begin
**Today children, we are going to build a stadium out of used toilet rolls. Get your blue paintbrushes ready.
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Allegations against Souness with NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!
**Wheeeee! It’s the referee committee again!
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Was sure I seen that c*** outside Ibrox against Motherwell must of been him (about Sammy)
**Aye. Came over from Parkhead for a laugh. Oh, sorry, wrong Sammy!
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Why the **** is souness being paid £30k 10 years after he left us?
**So he wouldn’t come back – oh, you silly Billy!
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Thank **** it was only 30K to Souness.I was thinking £3-5M for a minute.This is a joke.
**Back to your letters now. There’s an L of a gap between K and M.
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Bain you rat.
**Come on. You’ld do the same if you were underwater, gasping for breath.—————————————————
what is with this daft robot voice in the “data room”
** Whew! That’s a relief. You should hear the ones in the BLUE ROOM.
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(re: The doors, ‘the End’) Their earlier music was an insult to Britain too
**You’ve got to be him – Cowel, aye Cowel! You know, the guy that thinks r****s’ got talent but knows nout about football – sorry music!
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SDM on a big screen now in a f**king train station!?
**Starring in the porno version of Thomas the Tank Engine.
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Has any staff not been paid this way!
**Aye. A shepherd’s. Wrong, his is a CROOK!
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Surely Daly has breached data protection??
**Souness could breach anybody’s protection. Thousands of shins available as proof.
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Rangers need to get to the bottom of who is providing these documents, how these are getting into the public domain is extremely worrying.
**Your getting into the territory of the porno guy again and he’s already shown he is very comfortable dealing with a***es in Govan.
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Hatchet job, scummy tarrier bastards.
**What a defence you had in 2002!
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Here we go now calling for titles to be stripped
**Oh, ‘TITLES’! I thought for minute you were back on the porno again.
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here we go – gunning for the titles and other trophies. the whole programme is aimed at this. B*st*rds
**Nothing like a good bear shoot!
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Even if they are legal, Rangers cheated. Basically what he just said there.
**Everything’s ok then. Legal, cheated – same thing isn’t it – (check Ally McCoist, April 2012)?
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Drop in wages replaced by ebt so feck no evidence! Guess work!
**No, sorry! Actually there just might be. I think the shredder broke down during some of the clear-up work. Could well be some paper still lying around.
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BBC are showing their TRUE colours now.
**Aye true – RED, WHITE AND BLUE?
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Why don’t they come out and say who is giving them this information and who they seem to be quoting? I could make any shi*e up and claim some unknown person said it
**Time for Sandy and Ally Big Mouth to rally the troops again and demand exposure (excuse the porno implication)! Looks to me like this shi*e might just have come from the pile in DA BIG HOOSE.
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Side letters, not contracts.
**”You made a vow that you would ever be true
But somehow that vow meant nothing to you
Now my broken heart aches
With every wave that breaks (in the Bahamas)
Over ‘side’ letters in the sand” (Pat Boone, Love Letters in the Sand – cover duet by SDM and CW).
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These documents have came from HMRC.
Daly quoted them regarding 30K to Souness and investigation into Tugay transfer .
Disgusting from a government body divulging private personal details.
**Glad you now know what disgust is. It’s good to be familiar with the products you manufacture. They should shut down HMRC for this!
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If this is not watertight the bbc are going to be in court.
this is looking scary
**Not really. They’ll be great company for D.M., C.G.,the Board, managers and 40 odd players.
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Laughable trying to take trophies off us .That Daly is an obvious taig and his paymasters at the beeb are determined to undermine our club at every opportunity
**That Laughable’s a right one, eh! Got to say, I’m not happy with my TV licence being used to undermine you. If you’ve no money, dig your own pitfalls.
3rd division please !
**Do you wish to take the direct route, sir?
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A truly biased attack…quelle surprise.
**To quote Paul Le Guen re the Celtic forward-line.
This is awful viewing
**Specsavers then. Oh, forgot, they have already got a vested interest through the refs.
Where the fluck did they get all this inside info from? Absolutely unbelievable, if correct
**Report them to The Grand Master. He’ll go off his FLUCKING rocker!
‘certain that football authorities will be watching this’… No doubt they will and they’ll find us guilty as a result
**That will be a shock to you. Finding you guilty? Never!
So far there’s no evidence at all against us. All ifs and buts, and letters were required to show they were non discretionary.
** Translation = It wisnae us! They canny touch us. We ir a peepil! We’ll get the boys tae yous lot!
**Ifs and buts could turn out to be better administrators than Daffy, Ducky and Flopsy.
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Have to laugh at some of comments here about amateur etc. Daly has uncovered some pretty crucial documents which could mean more sanctions for the club, particularly from the SPL and they will now probably share some of these with authorities.
**Do I detect sanity? Quick get a doctor!
Murray is a sideshow but cant see how Ogilvie survives at the SFA after this. No one has ever taken the gloves off to David Murray in such a fashion!
**You becoming a ‘taig’ too? Now I’m worried.
not believing a word of this so far, how come the bbc get to see official documents before any other news agency, absolute speculation
**Phew, now that’s better. Oh by the way. DR editor’s fat a**se is sitting on them.
This guys a fanny! like watching a badly made cartoon!
**Not anywhere near the standard of your circus, eh? Naughty!
Know what? This is pure desperation. Nothing new so far. Allegations without evidence. I see a victory on the horizon r.e. tax.
**HMRC are definitely getting desperate to call in the r.e. Maybe they want the Royal Engineers to build bridges for the s(t)inking ship.
They are absolutely choking for titles to be removed, that’s all it is basically.
**Seems to me that once the titles are removed we will all breath more easily.
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Can we take HMRC and the Pacific Quay CFC to court over this surely they have both breached the DPA?
**Some advice on the QT from the HMRC. They don’t give a MF about RFC only their VAT. They will be happy to put you into LQDn for E and E.
Truely worrying if he’s right.
**Naw! CRUE ELY terrific if he is.
Funny so many here are complaining about Daly and labeling him a taig, the only man I’m getting angrier at as this goes on is a certain Charlatan who ran our club.
** Mr Porno or Bimbo SDM? Can be taken either way, I’ve heard.
An absolute travesty he still has his knighthood
**I agree and after him sh****ng all over the BIG ROON TABLE in THE BIG HOOS.
paolosboots on 24 May, 2012 at 14:49 said:
John Strachan owned the company when we first started using them as a sub contractor. Bijay I think it was called.
Murray came in a while later, bought out Strachan but kept him on as an Exec.
Strachan was in with the bricks at Ibrox, and for me he had a big part in taking Murray there. He used to talk to me every day, pleasant enough man, yapped away.
At the time the Huns were to meet Stau Bucharest in the QF of European Cup, Strachan walked about with loads of tickets in his suit pocket.
He offered me seats.
Sorry I cant take them.
Go on, dont worry, nobody in IBM needs to know.
I declined,
this went on for weeks.
Eventually i said, listen John i really cant take them, I am a celtic supporter.
He never spoke to me after that.
also from that time, the amount of IBM ers that did enjoy the hospitality under the MIM banner at Ibrox was considerable.
McLelland getting on board, well, join the dots.
wonkyradar on 24 May, 2012 at 14:51 said:
Don’t let the dog get you down
22m Chris McLaughlin@BBCchrismclaug
No date given for deadline, but I’m told next couple of weeks could be crucial. If #Rangers don’t comply, sanctions could follow
23m Chris McLaughlin@BBCchrismcl
BBC Scotland has learned the #SPL has set a deadline for #Rangers administrators to provide info they need on possible dual contracts
So there’s a deadline. When is it? Oh in a couple of weeks or so, roughly.
Is it just me or has the whole concept of a deadline been redefined recently? I always thought that it meant be a certain time on a certain day. You know, something specific.
I was blind, now I can see
You made a believer, out of me
I was blind, now I can see
You made a believer, out of me
I’m movin’ on up now
Gettin’ out of the darkness
My light shines on
My light shines on
My light shines on
I was lost, now I’m found
I believe in you, I’ve got no bounds
I was lost, now I’m found
I believe in you, I got no bounds
I’m movin’ on up now
Gettin’ out of the darkness
My light shines on
My light shines on
My light shines on
Repeat Chorus
I’m getting outta darkness
My light shines on
I’m getting outta darkness
My light shines on
miki67 on 24 May, 2012 at 14:47 said:
wonkyradar on 24 May, 2012 at 14:36 said:
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I’m havin’ the same problem. I bought a sling…haven’t had the heart to use it though…even thought it’s a yappin’ rat dog I don’t sit easy with hurting an animal…even this abomination.
Its owner slings a deaf ear.
Noise abatement outfoxed.
Patience wearing thin.
Even my gentle missus is getting riled.
Mates say poison it.
What to do?
Don’t listen to your mates whatever you do…some other poor innocent creature could get it. A suppose a sling is acceptable if you use something like a rolled up bit of paper ( something to frighten it)…personally I would invest in a fairly high powered water pistol. Told the wife this was my plan but keep forgetting to buy one when I’m out ( kinda memory like a sieve I’ve got)…but I think a very good water pistol will stop the rat in its tracks. What can you neighbour object to? A wee bit of water? Its only using the auld Pavlovian conditioning technique…eventually when the dumb rat learns it will stop. (That’s the theory).
Can I Have Raspberry On That:
It’s a dogs life right enuff…
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 24 May, 2012 at 14:58 said:
Possibly the best album ever. Live even better. Go’n yersel bobby
From the BBC:
An Aberdeen man who posted a threatening Twitter comment after Celtic’s chief executive said the club did not need Rangers has avoided jail.
Ryan MacDonald, 21, wrote “Lawwell needs a bullet simples!!!” about Peter Lawwell in February.
He earlier admitted breach of the peace by sending the message.
At Glasgow Sheriff Court, Sheriff Wendy Sheehan ordered 70 hours of community service and issued a football banning order for three years.
She said: “If you did not realise then I am sure you realise now the message posted was of a highly threatening and offensive nature and quite simply has no place in our society.”
Snake Plissken on 24 May, 2012 at 14:02 said:
Why did Sebo not have an EBT?
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He did – Exceptional Ballooning Tekker !
wonkyradar on 24 May, 2012 at 14:58 said:
Don’t poison, chocolate laxatives, neighbours will be cleaning up keech for days.
Apologies to all dog lovers
St Stivs,just goes to show how shallow they are. Have u read celtic minded books it gives a good insight into such a mentality. Most ordinary fans I have some sympathy for but those guys just use and abuse the “sammys” of this world.
Apologies if this has been already asked/answered – I haven’t had time to follow the comments with workload.
Is there a copy of the documentary online yet for those of us abroad?
Much appreciated!
The Men Who Sold the Jerseys
Part 1 http://youtu.be/L3wA9hzGQGs
part 2 http://youtu.be/Dy0ZEBiShRA
Part 3 http://youtu.be/IKQtYiC9rG8
Part 4 http://youtu.be/QYOuKPwe-ow
The Pantaloon Duck @ 13:44,
Lumley + Murray = Sapphire & Steal
Interesting that a deadline has been set. Duff & Phelps don’t do deadlines.
Iggy Pop sums it up
From the drip drip drip of the teardrops
To the chink chink chink of the cash
To the end end end of the friendships
To the wack wack wack of the bash
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
From the tick tick tick of your time’s up
To the yes yes yes of ‘I’ll sell’
From the fact fact fact of the souless
To the pact pact pact with hell
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption corruption corruption
Chills my bones
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption corruption corruption
Chills my bones
From the scream scream scream of the babies
To the retch retch retch of the youth
From the lie lie lie of the righteous
To the lost lost lost way I feel
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my bones
Corruption corruption corruption
Chills my bones
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption
Corruption
Order in the court
Decision to abort
The monkey wants to speak
So speak, monkey speak
Speak monkey, speak
Speak monkey, speak
Speak monkey, speak
Everything leads to corruption
Everything leads to corruption
Corruption
The fact that there has not been a statement from either the SFA or SPL as of yet, tells me all i need to know
The SPL have put in an imaginary ‘deadline’ in the hope that the Huns bubble bursts within the next fortnight
Watch for a statement to be issued in the next week or so saying the announcement of next season’s fixtures has been put back due to ‘unforeseen’ circumstances
It is no wonder the rest of the world look at Scottish football as a total shambles
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo
Thank you sir!
Ten Men Won The League on 24 May, 2012 at 15:07 said:
The fact that Regan claims not to have watched it yet is just ridiculous. The much heralded documentary could have made allegations about the whole Scottish game being brought into disprepute. So he’s totally remiss in his duties if he’s not going to make himself aware of what was said.
Unless of course he actually knows it all already.
Davidbhoy on 24 May, 2012 at 15:07 said:
Your welcome but less of the Sir …. your as well calling me a deranged fantasist criminal who badly needs to be loved :-))
Hail Hail
weeminger
Think Regan is in the US, so has an excuse at present
weeminger 15.11
Exactly – he’s only said he hasn’t watched it so that he’s not forced to comment upon it.
No matter what now the huns are gone, just counting down the days…
‘E’s passed on! This club is no more! It has ceased to be! ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘is maker! ‘E’s a stiff! Bereft of life, ‘e rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed ‘im to the perch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies! ‘Is metabolic processes are now ‘istory! ‘E’s off the twig! ‘E’s kicked the
bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-FOOTBALL CLUB!!
lovejoysalegend on 24 May, 2012 at 15:14 said:
Oh fair enough then. They might have said that in the story if that’s the case, it would have been helpful. Rather than just “I haven’t seen it, so our position hasn’t changed” [paraphrased]