FA Prem goes international below Uefa radar


The existence of the Premier League International Cup, a tournament for under-21s, which the FA Premier League launched this is a fascinating development.  It’s a toe in the water for the Premier League who are running a multi-nation tournament out-with the auspices of Uefa.  A consequence of excluding the European governing body is that all games must be played in the territory of England and Wales, despite Celtic and seven others of the 16 teams residing outside that region.

Uefa retain exclusive rights to hold tournaments across multiple territories, although this definition accommodates the existence of the Welsh FA and Welsh teams participation in competitions run by the English FA.

The Premier League has a broken business model which they have been unable to resolve for a decade of more, as they hae studiously avoided growth in their key TV revenue stream stalling.  When it does, innovative solutions will be required.

As far as Celtic are concerned, I’m delighted we’re there.  In the absence of NextGen this will be a valuable addition to the youth players’ development this season.

Foundation News:

I’m up for the Zip Slide from the top of the Jock Stein Stand to pitch level in front of the Lisbon Lions’.  Never done anything as ridiculous in my life but it’s a one-off opportunity for a fee of £30 plus a commitment to raise £125 for the Foundation.

Pile in here, if you’re brave enough for the Celtic Park pitch…………

Not had more than a glance at the annual report yet. Statements dated 12 September? Hmmm.

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  1. estadio nacional



    13:42 on 16 October, 2014


    using that criteria,he should be sacked,never mind a 400k bonus ffs

  2. The Battered Bunnet on

    My sense of it…



    Ogilvie could not be persuaded to stand down when his first term expired, and insisted that he would stand for re-election.



    No one amongst the 92 member clubs (or moreover the 22 top clubs) was prepared to stand against him, and he was thus elected unopposed.



    The reasons for this appear two-fold:



    1) It would have been further divisive at a time of unprecedented division, for the clubs to split along old lines, and the individual ‘nominated’ would have been personally exposed as Turnbull Hutton implies.



    2) The clubs are in the process of taking the SFA ‘back’. That is, the SFA and senior football generally is being reorganised by the clubs to better reflect the clubs’ collective challenges. Ogilvie is a Python parrot President who can be tolerated in the interim and until his term of office expires in 2015.



    I’m not saying I agree with this approach – even supposing it’s correct – but the clubs are in process of taking back the reins and Ogilvie is a nuisance rather than an obstacle.

  3. Ogilvie was re-elected unopposed as SFA President in 2012. There were arcane rules in place then which meant that candidates for the post were required to have served for a number of years on SFA committees, thus limiting the pool of those qualified to stand to only a handful, none of whom wished to take on the role.


    Given the poisonous atmosphere, the march on Hampden, Sleekit demanding names etc. etc. it’s not surprising.


    Celtic had Eric Reilly on the SFA board, but he was not “qualified”.


    It’s difficult to see how Celtic could have prevented Ogilvie’s re-election, bearing in mind that much of what we now know was not in the public domain then.

  4. Estadio Nacional on

    !!Bada Bing!! 13:46



    Problem is he probably meets the bonus requirements set for him, on paper he looks a success. On the football park his reign is an utter shambles.



    Was home and went to my first game in a year, the Hamilton game the other week, couldnt believe how bad its got.






  5. Estadio Nacional



    13:42 on



    16 October, 2014



    There should be a balance between on field success and financial success.



    KPI ‘s tend to reflect what is easiest to measure as opposed what needs to be measured.



    If for no other reason than to prevent accusations of the CEO lining his pockets, apart from KPIs being fit for purpose, then this is an important issue to address.



    The way to do that is present a sound case that will get sufficient shareholders to sign up to and put it to an AGM.



    (Good luck with that one for its no walk in the park.)

  6. That’s the weirdest betting movement I think I’ve ever seen 7/1 around 7.20am,at around 9.00 it went up to 9/1 a couple of hours later it was 13/2, now it’s 14/1, has it broke it’s leg or something.Weird.

  7. Tallybhoy


    Thoughts with you just now :)))


    I think of my Da and hear him more now than when he was here.



    When i’m TRYING to get a point over to my lassies , I can see him smiling at me and saying “telt ye”.


    landing in his house just after “countdown” had finished and him slipping me a wee bit of paper with the numbers on it and saying “bet you cant work that out as quick as I did”:))))))







    IIRC,the reasons for Ogilvie being re-elected were down to eligibility criteria.



    SFA rules stated that eligibility was confined to time-servers. For instance,neither you nor I would be able to stand.



    Those who were eligible didnae fancy it. Thems the rules.



    Those rules,I believe,have been relaxed. Indeed,we may soon be faced with a choice of Lawwell or Ogilvie.



    As an example.

  9. The Battered Bunnet



    13:49 on



    16 October, 2014




    I heard he made a bit of a nuisance of himself with uninvited visits to the previous Compliance Officer’s office.



    He was also in post from June 2011 when the UEFA Licence submission under Article 66 was presented to UEFA.



    I’m thinking more sacrificial lamb than Norwegian Blue.

  10. MWD



    Simple question.



    Why did DD pull back on investment, was it due to the impending prediction of entry to better league?



    Not as simple as it looks since neither you or I have the full information here. We both suspect that it had something to do with the prospects of Celtic gaining entry into another league becoming unlikely in the near future. That is still not the same as never. It is not the same as in the mid to longer term either.



    Your persistent and rebutals of any criticism of Celtic borders on narcasistic superiority complex.



    Do I persistently rebut Any criticism of Celtic or is that a figment of your imagination? Is it not more likely that I just criticise the ones I disagree with? But, anyway, for this purpose, we are not specifically refuting a criticism of Celtic (since I do not know how strenuous or exhaustive their efforts to gain entry into another league were), I was specifically criticising futurology by CQN posters. I have criticised Celtic in the past but I do not have the capacity of outrage that others have nor do I believe that if it were not for Peter Lawwell we would have won 5 CL titles by now.



    Yes things change but generally because people getting sick and tired of the situation makes them change. In support of that I give you your Berlin Wall falling down analogoy. The people were the force for change not the rulers. If they did not stand up and be counted the wall would still be standing strong.



    The Berlin wall change was one produced by People Power so you have selected that one. The other quick example given was the Bosman ruling, which is not so clearly an example of people power but more of the rule of law and the primacy given to Human Rights and Employment Law over the vested interests of football clubs and organisations. Change happens by a lot of methods, natural ageing, accident, design, human action, forces of nature, Acts of God etc; (any Insurance company can provide a more exhaustive list)



    But no not good enough for you. In your world those people should not have been critical, should not have faced down the wrongs, should not have stood in the face of military power. THey should have did what they were told and believed all was rosey on their side of the wall.



    Sorry MWD. Some OTT stuff just rebuts itself. If you give your head room to believe guff like that, then you will be capable of believing anything.

  11. Estadio Nacional on

    Auldheid 13:52



    Aye, Id say impossible to have it heard at the AGM and even taken on board. Desmond the biggest problem, PL following his lead. Same as its been for years.





  12. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    lennon’s passion



    13:23 on 16 October, 2014



    So another online English teacher writes a blog to make himself important and CQN won’t be going back to parkhead.






    If you are referring to James FORREST, you should be praising him for highlighting the corruption within our game instead of vilifying him ….. and, when did you become the censor of people’s decisions ….? …….I’m assuming you hold one view, and other people on CGN are allowed to hold opposing views. .? … :) ….HH

  13. coolmore mafia on



    13:58 on


    16 October, 2014


    That’s the weirdest betting movement I think I’ve ever seen 7/1 around 7.20am,at around 9.00 it went up to 9/1 a couple of hours later it was 13/2, now it’s 14/1, has it broke it’s leg or something.Weird.





    If I had to guess, I’d venture that the horse is ‘bent’.

  14. the glorious balance sheet on




    We did not even try to block Ogilvies re-election. And it was a straightforward opportunity – we were not trying to unseat someone mid-term; his tenure had come to an end, being power crazed he was always going to stand for re- election and we should have been planning for that 12 months beforehand especially as he was a toxic “brand” to quote the buzz word around these parts.



    Surely if the choice is between a known improper person or a new untainted person then the clubs would go with the new untainted candidate?



    But it’s a moot question as despite being the largest most powerful club we did not offer an alternative to Ogilvie.



    Which makes you wonder how high up the SFA and it’s mid-governance features in Celtic’s risk management approach.



    What’s the saying – be the change you want to be. Celtic plc should take heed.



    Geordie Munro



    I fail to see how we could field a development squad in next gen, domestic competition and also this new tournament. I don’t think we have enough development players for that. Mind you I see a few other clubs are giving it a go, Benfica Man City Chelsea Porto Bilbao and Schalke.

  15. ziggydoc1


    13:32 on


    16 October, 2014


    bearsden bob



    Did you get the 3-3 scorers from this site?






    Looking at the names and scores there really takes me back.





    No. I got the information from my favourite book “The Celtic Football Companion” by David Docherty. It covers every game played between 1946-1986. Team lists, attendance, scorers all listed for every game.

  16. I didn’t put the kiss of death on that horse by backing it but it looks like it didny win anyway.

  17. SFTB



    I didn’t reply to Bosman ruling for a reason. As it was to do with personal wealth of footballers and agents over personal wealth of clubs. Footballers and agents won on that occassion. Fans have been ripped of even more so because of it as footballers at the highest level have gained a Godly priceless image since the date of that ruling. Fans accept that and accept any numerical value of worth they put on their feet kicking a baw.



    Not a good analogy hence I did not partake.



    MWD said AYE

  18. Given the handshakes i seen by a Celtic Director at hospitality recently,i think he could have stood shoulder to shoulder with Ogilvie,and possibly against him

  19. coolmore mafia.



    I had a tenner on the nose at 9/1,another tenner at 13/2 because it come in in the betting and a fiver e/w at 14/1 to cover for it running second,ah well.after watching the race It didn’t try very hard,I may bet it again.

  20. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    My preference and if we are allowed to, is go to a pan – European league.



    England would have too much hassle for our support. A section of England fans will attempt to cause havoc in our stadium at the Scotland England game next month, taking their lead from their quintessentially British cousins last ever visit to our stadium.



    If we ever got to play in an English League, our supporters would have to put up with a lot of provocation and the even the hard time we get from our media will be nothing to what the English media will hit us with.

  21. The Battered Bunnet on

    Let’s ignore the known facts that demonstrate that Issue xyz was not within our gift to solve, and just blindly insist anyway that we should have solved it, and thereafter, cast it up as: a) Failure; and b) Proof of complicity in some other matter.

  22. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    Bada Bing, I’ve heard that Eric Riley is a hand shaker, allegedly.

  23. Tgbs,



    I was questioning the comment because I believe the under 19 next gen tournament was canned and has nothing to do with failure to qualify for cl.



    I could be wrong though but I notice Chelski and man City are in this new u21 tourney.

  24. the glorious balance sheet





    14:07 on



    16 October, 2014




    I’m all for SFA reform and have been advocating such for years, I just don’t think blaming Celtic for the re election of CO in the prevailing circumstances is sound ground for change.



    I’m actually mystified that he has hung on so long, I suspect he knows where the bodies are buried.





    Looks like we’re stuck with time-servers and blazers then.



    Heyho. Used to it. Disnae mean I have to like it.

  26. coolmore mafia on

    Oldtim, I’d note the jockey/trainer/owner combination, and pay attention to any market movements, up or down, in future races featuring a horse entered with these three in control.





    Canny recall who told me but seems you are correct on that.



    Just under-estimating it.

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