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In any other season, the three points would have been secured by David Turnbull’s exquisite free-kick on 82 minutes, but the fragility around everything Celtic at the moment convinced no one the game was over.

A Hibs free-kick in added time saw three Celtic players get in each other’s way on the goal line, leaving three unattended attackers ready to pounce around the six yard line.  Another free kick conceded in a dangerous area, another example of defensive disorganisation and another tale of woe as Hibs scored their first goal and collected their only point in four games.

With Ryan Christie unavailable, David Turnbull moved to the right, allowing Tom Rogic a rare start in the advanced point of the diamond.  This may have worked on paper but on the field, it only demonstrated what a valuable asset Turnbull has become in the middle of the park.  15 minutes after moving into his accustomed 10 position, Turnbull won and converted a free kick that should have been enough against a Hibs team low on confidence.

Instead, the demons that haunted Celtic for most of the season returned.  Diego Laxalt conceded the free-kick, Turnbull was beaten to the header, Conor Hazard flapped at the second ball before Shane Duffy and Callum McGregor simultaneously attempted to clear, only managing to usher the ball in the direction of Nisbet.

After the game, I realised I felt worse after we equalised in added time against Hibs in November than on losing a late goal last night.  The points dropped in November felt significant, I cannot say the same about last night’s.

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  1. CORKCELT on 12TH JANUARY 2021 8:47 PM

     

     

     

    If you keep on doing what you’ve been doing, you’ll keep on getting what you’ve been getting.

  2. Iniquitosiv

     

     

    Your account relates exactly to the one I know.

     

    My dad has known John Mcginns dad for 50 years, John McGinn wanted to be at Celtic its because of Peter Lawwell hes not. Probably to spite Brendan Rodgers which shows you who’s interest hes more concerned in.

  3. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Off topic but just watched last night’s Only Connect on catch up.

     

     

    Difficult watch.

     

     

    Both teams asked for the “hor-NED” Viper so had no one to support.

     

     

    Anyway Victoria Coren-Mitchell made a joke about Protestants being non believers ….

     

     

    …. so can expect to be the latest addition to the FF banned list.

     

     

    🤭

  4. James Forrest

     

     

    As it is, the fans turned on the Northern Irishman.

     

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    Any chance you can add the word “some” in there?

     

     

    I don’t want to be associated with said fans, proof available if required.

  5. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    SID

     

    100%

     

    BR left us and we received £9m compensation

     

    I’ve continued to champion his cause but have been accused of just being anti PL

     

    I’m pro Celtic and want the best for us

  6. SID:

     

     

    I think you’re being a wee tad picky there my man! I meant fans in the main, as I never have, and never will, presume to speak for ALL supporters and fans.

     

     

    I realise a lot of people DID blame Lawwell and still do.

     

     

    But the point of the piece is that he’s escaped major scrutiny for his role in Rodgers’ departure.

     

     

    I personally don’t want to rehabiliate Rodgers … I don’t think he deserves it for the way he left. But if he had said on the way out the door that his relationship with certain people at the club had become untenable, I don’t think the reaction of the fans would have been quite so vocal against him … Lawwell’s hide would have been nailed to the barn door.

     

     

    I should have added Brendan Rodgers as the THIRD man who’s kept Lawwell in a job, because he really is. The truth of that whole affair is starting to look obvious. Lawwell will simply not allow anyone else to be the centre of the universe at Parkhead.

     

     

    So yeah I understand your point even if I do think you’re being a tad picky!

     

     

    Not all fans see Rodgers as the bad guy. I’m starting to wonder if he really was myself.

  7. James Forrest.

     

    I believe what you have written is 100% correct regarding McGinn.

     

    Over the past year I posted several notes on here along similar lines,but not as precise as your summary,if I knew how the archive works,if any,I could pull them up.

     

    Irrespective, it almost explains the indecent haste of BR’s departure in anger ,and no doubt a non disclosure was part of the 9m settlement.

     

    Only twice has PL lost control,1.MON era and 2.BR era. All other appointments were to a degree more subserviant.

     

    I know McGinns uncle,and Villa was never on the horizon.

     

    A disgrace which has now grown.

  8. Blantyretim

     

     

    Exactly, if you’re a top coach and not allowed to do your job properly or feel you’re not getting the correct support then I blame no one for wanting to leave.

     

    Especially to a better league and treble your wages, he owed Celtic nothing, I’d argue Celtic owed him far more.

     

     

    The lesson is when you have a top coach you back him while he’s there and every year he gives you, you are grateful. When he goes you thank him for winning every competition he entered leaving 50M in the bank.

     

    Then you do everything in your power to try and find the next B R.

     

     

    Unless the plan was to allow Sevco to catch up, if true then we are in real trouble and must force big changes.

  9. prestonpans bhoys on

    EXCATHEDRA44 on 12TH JANUARY 2021 9:19 PM

     

     

    ‘Only twice has PL lost control,1.MON era and 2.BR era. All other appointments were to a degree more subserviant’

     

     

    Would totally agree with on that point!

  10. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    We know mistakes have been made and heads should roll but we are all Celtic fans and only want the best for our club

     

    It’s about time our PLC realised that their lack of action and ongoing distain for their fans is not what is best for our club

     

     

    Think Celtic not pocket

  11. James Forrest

     

     

    I wasn’t being a tad picky it was said in jest my friend, I know the vast majority were in the rat camp because I’ve had a debate with every one of them. 🙂

  12. Think the BBC Tom English article is just full of hatred for us and our club

     

     

    Yes we need changes top to bottom but vile writing like that is atrocious

     

     

    Time to close ranks and force change ourselves but stand up for our club. Not Desmonds not Lawells, ours

  13. Our Board is useless .

     

    Our Board wanted a version of Rangers to continue and be strong.

     

    Hmmm..our Board is not that useless, then,is it?

  14. BR leaving — it all to do with his ego vs PL’s ego.

     

    The club had nothing to do with it.

     

     

    DD was unhappy at his second chosen one — MON was the first — winding him up with his career plans and how he was worth more money.

     

     

    PL’s super duper bonus scheme was just DD making sure that BR was not the highest paid individual at CP — all paid for with our money — not a bean from DD.

     

     

    PL then used his new found closeness to DD to put the kybosh an any ideas or plans that BR had been working on.

     

     

    Again we paid a heavy price for his machinations.

     

    As was said at the time — a house divided will fall.

     

    PL was / is not interested in the club.

     

    He is only interested in his bonus and keeping DD sweet.

     

     

    DD is only interested in loyalty and his own personal fortune.

     

    BR did not give him enough of the first and an EPL payday will take care of the second.

  15. SID:

     

     

    Well mate the more I hear, the more I learn, and the more I actually just sit down and think about without getting angry and emotional over what I regarded then as a betrayal of the club, the more I reckon that those are debates you’re gonna win over the long haul.

  16. JACKIEMAC @ 7:17 PM,

     

     

    One thing which bothers me is – when BR was replaced; I was glad. This sounds ridiculous now but I was.

     

     

    I thought we had sullied a bit; become stale; were trying to play a euro game which wasn’t a part of us.

     

     

    Maybe the reason it bothers you is it simply makes no sense, there’s a good reason for that; after the double treble the Celtic Board did not like the direction of travel of the Brendan Rodgers’ regime.

     

     

    The level of commitment, professionalism, and achievement BR and his team strived for was way above the level that our Board could operate at.

     

     

    A Celtic Club with over 100 million turnover, operating a squad worth well over 100 million pound and competitive in the UCL (at teir 3 level) was something the PLC Board were totally ill-equiped to manage. Without root and branch change to up their performance at Executive level, without which Rodgers would be running the show.

     

     

    No one on the Celtic executive had the intelligence, knowledge, ambition and drive to come anywhere near Brendan Rodgers and staff.

     

     

    You could argue that DD is a formidible character and that he certainly could have worked with and managed BR, while that is probably true, as recent events show only too clearly, he was never going to expend those sorts of energies and time on a football club.

     

     

    Also baring in mind, that BR wanted to run the Football Club, the Board wanted to run a PLC business, two different strategies looking at two different outcomes.

     

     

    There is an old saying in business, turnover is vanity, profit is sanity.

     

     

    Why run a high flying, successful football club where all the profits go back into sustaining success? When “mediocre” Celtic had a model that made money for the PLC.

     

     

    The “moneyball” gambling on prospects to turn a profit on “high value” players, may not have been an efficient use of money, nor a good way of managing a football squad but it did provide the Board with “windfalls” that justified and provided funds for dividends and bonuses.

     

     

    Also, running the Club as one part of a renewed competitive “old firm” would have sold just as many season books and made just as much profit with a third of the effort needed to be a success in Europe.

     

     

    Less turnover, more profit, easy street for the Board and business as usual in Scotland, that was the height of their ambition – the “moneyball” and “bigot old firm pound” was what these out of touch, out of their comfort zone Directors wanted.

     

     

    So as soon as the double treble was achieved, the Board undertook not to back the football management team and instead of strengthening (we were stale in a number of areas and wanting in quality in areas like defence and midfield if we wanted to qualify and compete in the UCL (at level 3), looked to take profit from player sales.

     

     

    As well as not backing the manager, unbeknown to him and the supporters, Celtic ran a surreptitious campaign to blacken Brendan Rodgers personally, while trying to take credit for the successes.

     

     

    They undermined him so much that he had little choice but to move on or see his reputation trashed (a reputation that is worth many millions in modern football). Yet even when he moved on the personality attacks became worse and the Brendan “Fraudgers” myth was created.

     

     

    While the real frauds, those in the Boardroom – the pundits, the SMSM and social media friends of their’s that colluded in the fraud – got away with it.

     

     

    The truth will out they say and it is now as plain as the nose on your face…

     

     

    Look at Brendan Rodgers record with Celtic; record trophies, record squad value, record turnover, record profit, then look at his record since leaving Celtic

     

     

    Compare and contrast that with the Board’s record since he left and you will see who the frauds are.

     

     

    So – One thing which bothers me is – when BR was replaced; I was glad. This sounds ridiculous now but I was. – don’t get over concerned by that, you, like the vast majority of Celtic supporters were played by people you trusted, a very clever campaign that only those who were sceptical beforehand and knew the m.o. of this PLC could see through.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  17. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Remember BR was staying till end of the season but we negotiated a cheap replacement whilst pocketing £9m

     

    That was all most in the angst when he walked out , I’m sure BR hasn’t signed a clause which prevents him talking about it and I’m sure the truth will out

  18. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    GO TELL THE SPARTIM

     

     

    I don’t doubt that but at least his wife can’t say what have Celtic ever done for you when you go home in a huff after a defeat

  19. prestonpans bhoys on

    Some header by Everton 2:1, they are my English team and only realised they were playing at HT😵

  20. Pintaguinness:

     

     

    I wondered if, now that Sevco are almost certainly going to win the League, the MSSM would start being a bit more gentle with our team. Tom English`s article on the BBC site has removed that wonder !

     

    Truly a dreadful article. Did someone at Celtic treat him really badly in the past ?

  21. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Hot smoked JJ

     

     

    Someone at Celtic believed the hype and thought we where liked and would be given an even shot

     

     

    Now they know better, another failure on our part

     

     

    We are still hated in Scotland and Uncle Tom shows it like uncle Packie and uncle Wa*ker, Commons etc

  22. BT, Never heard that anywhere before,

     

    My understanding was that Leicester were prepared to wait but BR wanted to go & get established before the

     

    next Season.

  23. I was just looking at the picture of PL in the sand last night (BBC article)

     

     

    Can anyone explain why knuckle cruncher Eric Reilly is also in the Stand watching the game ?

     

    Thought he had stood down from our board due to ill health ??

  24. prestonpans bhoys on

    HS

     

     

    The last piece which alludes to the bottom leagues being stopped because of Celtic was bizarre. No it wiznae Celtic’s fault or mibbie it was, dreadful journalism. Haven’t read his pish for sometime, will go back to my previous embargo

  25. *CQN PLAYER OF THE YEAR 2020-21*

     

    RESULTS FROM GAME #33 – CELTIC 1 HIBS 1 (TURNBULL)

     

     

    Missing 11 of our first team squad to ‘self isolation’ and another 2 to suspension / injury it was always going to be a difficult game. Especially when none of our 4 recognised strikers were available either. But when David Turnbull’s wonderful free kick hit the back of the net with only 10 minutes remaining I for one leapt out of my seat punching the air in defiance. But for what seems like the 263rd time this season a combination of daft individual errors led to a late equaliser and the inevitable doom and gloom which followed.

     

    Today, Celtic are 16/1 to win the league with Sevco 1/40. We face ‘in form’ Livingston home and away in the coming days without most of our top players for at least one of those. Sevco travel to ‘off form’ Motherwell. I fear that the 21 point gap is only going to get wider. We better watch out that they don’t have the option of an Admin deduction whilst still winning the league!!

     

    As for last night’s game there were a few decent individual performances. Arguably, Shane Duffy had his best 90 minutes in a Celtic jersey yet still managed to attract some attention for their late equaliser. And I also have a feeling that if folk picked their top 3 after 85 minutes, Hazard might have secured a few more nominations.

     

    Thank you to the 54 who voted. The votes cast for each player (with my own choices asterisked) are as follows –

     

    Hazard: 6

     

    Frimpong: 0

     

    Duffy*: 21

     

    Welsh: 27

     

    Laxalt: 5

     

    Soro*: 44

     

    McGregor: 7

     

    Rogic: 0

     

    Turnbull*: 51

     

    Johnston: 0

     

    Harper: 0

     

    Okoflex: 0

     

    Henderson: 0

     

    Dembele: 0

     

     

    So, the players receiving points for the Hibs game are –

     

    Turnbull – 5 points

     

    Soro – 4 points

     

    Welsh – 3 points

     

    Duffy – 2 points

     

    McGregor – 1 point

     

     

    Here’s the overall table –

     

    1st – Ajer and McGregor – 50 points

     

    2nd – Laxalt – 49 points

     

    4th – Christie – 44 points

     

    5th – Frimpong – 43 points

     

    6th – Turnbull – 31 points

     

    7th – Brown – 29 points

     

    8th – Soro – 28 points

     

    9th – Elyounoussi – 23 points

     

    10th – Duffy and Rogic – 19 points

     

    12th – Edouard – 18 points

     

    13th – Ntcham – 16 points

     

    14th – Griffiths – 14 points

     

    15th – Bitton– 12 points

     

    16th – Taylor – 11 points

     

    17th – Barkas – 9 points

     

    18th – Ajeti – 8 points

     

    19th – Elhamed and Welsh – 7 points

     

    21st – Forrest, Jullien and Klimala – 5 points

     

    24th – Bain – 4 points

     

    25th – Hazard – 3 points

     

    26th – Bolingoli, Dembele, Harper, Henderson, Johnston and Okoflex – 0 points

     

     

    Our next game is at 3pm this Saturday when we entertain (well I for one hope that we do!) Livingston.

     

    Hail Hail!

  26. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Corkcelt

     

    Maybe the relationship had deteriorated to such an extent that it was best for all involved . I’ll try and find out from my mates in the occupied 6 counties

  27. BLANTYRETIM @ 9:43 PM,

     

     

    Spot on. I always thought he’d be on an nda though. Of course the way he was stabbed in the back while walking out the door gives him all the motivation he needs to spill the beans.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  28. There are only 4 known facts about the McGinn saga

     

     

    1) He had an offer to sign from Villa

     

    2) He had an offer to sign from Celtic

     

    3) He signed for Villa

     

    4) He told us it was because the manager, who got sacked shortly afterwards, had promised him first team football but Celtic had not ( I assume only BR could guarantee first team football since all the ackmowledged PL signings are duds languishing in the reserves- this bit in bracket is NOT an established fact)

     

     

    All the rest is rumour and made up pish or a story told by someone trying to justify their actions.

     

     

    I have no interest in players who don’t sign for us- fair play to them but I care not a jot for Villa or Man U or Leicester. I appreciate Shved more than McGinn because Shved was willing to come to my club.

  29. SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX:

     

     

    Perhaps you’ve failed to appreciate that Shved was the guy the MANAGER expressly DIDN’T want and who was signed anyway? And that is NOT “made up pish” but a stone cold fact.

     

     

    Lennon, by the way, didn’t fancy him either upon arrival, so put that one in the Well Who The Hell Thought That Was A Good Idea mystery category, eah?