I am sure Neil Doncaster’s job is full of stresses and strains but this week will probably be a breeze. Fans of every club in the league appear to be in uproar at the resolutions for an Insolvency Transfer Event to be voted on later this month. Infuriating everyone is surely better than infuriating most but leaving one group happy.
Fans of 11 SPL clubs have reacted in horror that the league seek to introduce a facility to allow a liquidated club to phoenix straight back into the top tier of Scottish football. Fans of Rangers, while along with administrators and bidders for the club are publicly opposed to liquidation, are outraged that this new facility to allow a new club entry to the SPL should carry a sporting and financial inhibitor.
For clarification: the inhibitor is there to ensure clubs have a modicum of moral hazard against gaining an unfair advantage before ditching creditors and their old skins, and emerging in the SPL with player registrations from another club but without the debts or consequences of mismanagement.
Rangers US and Singapore based bidders seem unperturbed by the proposals. Paul Murray’s Blue Knights consortium has curiously lost its tongue. Maybe this helps explain all those years when the EBTs were unopposed by the former Rangers board. Silence, not even an utterance!
There remains three possible outcomes to this issue:
The proposed SPL resolutions will be passed, allowing a Newco straight entry to the League.
The resolutions will fail and the SPL board will vote a Newco into the league anyway.
The resolutions will fail and the SPL board will deny Newco a place in the league.
Celtic Quick News first flagged this scenario in October last year when we predicted Newco would be given a parachute into the SPL, opposed only by Celtic. As the key resolution (2A) requires only 8 votes I still expect this to happen, despite the ‘Bring it on’ view of many Rangers fans to the prospect of starting again from Division Three.
As the financial penalty resolution (2B) requires 11 votes I expect this to fail and no financial penalties to be imposed.
The question for Kilmarnock, Dunfermline, St Mirren, Inverness, Motherwell, St Johnstone, Hibs and Kilmarnock (don’t tell me they’ll not try to get two votes, they have a huge mountain of debt to service and have every right to demand two votes) is, will they listen to their fans or their bank manager?
Dundee United and Hearts, like North Korea, appear convinced of their own superior wisdom and, like a North Korean missile, could head off in any random direction to demonstrate their contempt for clubs scared of providing satirists with material. They could easily vote themselves into a Gorgie-Tannadice League, if they could agree on a Gorgie-Tannadice/Tannadice-Gorgie naming convention.
For now, if you care about any of this, participate in the online SPL Fan Survey. We’ll soon find out who runs Scottish football, fans or the Bank of Scotland! One additional point about democracy, it carries responsibility. In this instance, stopping Newco means fans of all remaining clubs have to step forward in increasing numbers to buy season tickets. This is the cost of sporting integrity.
Can you write an article for CQN Magazine? Give me a shout, celticquicknews@gmail.com
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petition signed and survey, not many hits on it so far , for such a hot topic.
hail hail.
KLV
Paul67, re Financial Fair Play, could we, the scottish football fans, start a class action to reclaim season ticket money from SPL, paid for what has turned out to be an unfair financially rigged product?
Sign the petition to say NO TO NEWCO in SPL.
Hail Hail
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/norangersnewco
Paul67,
Is it not in the banks interests to stop the liquidation/start again from fresh loophole being introduced?
OK, in rangers case the banks will lose SFA directly, but if another club that owes money to the bank decides to ditch its debts in this manner then the banks are onto a loser.
Surely to mitigate the extra risks caused by the loophole they will raise loan interest rates……oh I see. Makes sense now.
Stella is pish, I need to get the point I got to with the DR a while ago and just stop buying it.
Breaking Bad Question – Just finished season 4 – when’s the new one coming out – Can’t wait!!!
Paul67
“For clarification: the inhibitor is there to ensure clubs have a modicum of moral hazard against gaining an unfair advantage before ditching creditors and their old skins, and emerging in the SPL with player registrations from another club but without the debts or consequences of mismanagement.”
Surely, the greater moral hazard for Rangers would be that they lose their 140 year history or, even, their record of never having been relegated? It is a fantasy to see that loss of some points (which would have to be retracted if it leaves them out of the top 6) or loss of some thousands of pounds is any recompense for debt of £134m.
The Doncaster rules seem designed to square the circle. They aim to persuade HMRC that a newco is not Rangers but persuade the rangers fans of the opposite fact, that they really are Rangers so that those fans will continue to support Scottish football. Therefore, the crucial question remains – do they keep their record of sporting achievements or not? Are they treated differently than Airdrie, who lost theirs?
Any other moral hazard is pretend punishment. If liquidated, they already have lost players, ground and training centres. They will be a pale shadow of the threat they once were but, regardless of how weak or poor they are, we have told them they have protected status and must finish top 6 and never be relegated, regardless of their results.
The moral hazard facing the rest of the league is accepting that we no longer compete in a league where the playing results are paramount. We are competing in a league which cannot sign up to the principles of fair play and sporting merit.
The online SPL fan survey is , perhaps deliberately , incomplete.
Question 2 requires a fifth option.
“Would you attend the home games of your team but not away games?”
Apologies if I missed something, but I need some explanation;
If a newco forms, and buys the assets of the tax dodgers, they must be a completely distinct entity from the old club, different ownership, different directors and so on.
If this is not the case they remain liable for the debts.
If a newco is allowed to take over the mempership place of rfc(IA), they must be viewed as a ‘new’ club with a clean sheet, otherwise they can be pursued for the unpaid debt.
How then, can they be punished for the old club’s failure by points deduction?
If they are paying a points penalty, they are not a distinctly seperate club, and may still be liable for the debt.
Or maybe any new club entering the SPL by promotion will face a 10 point deduction to ‘even things up’?
as requested last night
As requested last night
Braun shaver – Am – Dm Am . Dm – G E – E5 (repeat)
Dig if you will the picture
Of Campbell and Neil in a tryst
Tax debt from the brothers trustees
for a few pound sterling
Can you resructure this?
Dream if you can a courtyard
The future all clouded with doom
Animals strike curious proposals
They feel the heat
The heat of a judicial review
How can you just leave me liquidated?
Alone in a world that’s so cold? (So cold)
Maybe my tax is too demanding
Maybe I’m thick like my father too fold
Maybe you’re just like my mother
She’s never satisfied (She’s never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other?
This is what it sounds like
When huns die
Vouch if you can for my tax break
or I´ll never make it inside
You’ve got to revise the SPL handbook
Or we will blame you
that the huns have died
How can you just leave me liquidated?
Alone in a world so cold? (World so cold)
Maybe my tax is too demanding
Maybe I’m thick like my father too fold
Maybe you’re just like my mother
She’s never satisfied (She’s never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other?
This is what it sounds like
When huns die
How can you just leave me liquidated?
Alone in a world that’s so cold? (A world that’s so cold)
Maybe my tax is too demanding (Maybe, maybe I’m thick my father)
Maybe I’m thick like my father too fold (Ya know we will fold)
Maybe you’re just like my mother (Maybe you’re just like my mother)
She’s never satisfied (She’s never, never satisfied nay wonder)
Why do we scream at each other? (Why do we scream? Why?)
This is what it sounds like
When huns die
When huns die (huns die, huns die)
When huns die (huns die, huns die)
Don’t Cry (Don’t Cry)
When huns die
When huns die
When huns die
When huns die (huns die, huns die, huns die)
Don’t cry
Salmond don’t cry
Don’t cry
Don’t cry
TAFKARFCiaCSC
Willie Collum wears these
Vmhan, indeed.
TinyTim, it doesn’t stop a Newco (nor did I say this!), but without Newco, TV, sponsorship and ticket income from Rangers fans would all drop. The game needs money.
SFFS, aye, one from the back of the rack.
pggtips2, dream on. At every turn Celtic have said they can survive without Rangers. To claim the exact opposite is… interesting. I perhaps have the advantage of better access to the club than you, but still!
Celtic must stand together now more than ever. Deep seated attempts (however futile) to split the Celtic Movement should be repelled, although obviously CQN remains open to anyone with that aim.
SuperSutton, I would expect some clubs to take other proposals forward.
ASonOfDan, I hear you.
paulsatim, no.
If Hector steps in today (Friday 13th after all!!!) or pretty soon to reclaim his BTC monies, and the Hun are forced into liquidation pretty soon after that, as far as I understand with current SPL rules, RFC(IA) would be sent to the bottom of the league with zero points, and obviously in a position to be relegated.
Can anyone confirm that?
I don’t see how any new rules voted in after that situation arises could change anything: current rules must apply surely?
Craig Burley you’re a Womble,
you’re a Womble
Craig Burley you’re a Womble
you’re a Womble
The financial argument for Newco would be proved flimsy if there was any serious debate held but as its a certain club any such discussion has been whitewashed,the proposed penalties are insulting and shows the spl up for what it will become,temporary.
A temporary service provider should not be dictating to its customers like this.
Tiny Tim
From earlier, I reckon you must have been in the Moffat stand. Amongst your list of nostalgic songs for former players, you missed out Andy Thom. One guy tried to get a Reggie Blinker chant going, but he was on his own.
Kris Commons says he’s confident of his good form continuing, using the pie as you play system that Celtic adopted for him.
SPL Fan Survey completed.
Petition filled in with a big ” Get tae….”
Hail hail
MME
I see from earlier that Mrs. Baldie is in for a night of unforeseen passion tonight as she is brought to new heights of ecstasy by a minute by minute re-telling of the song list from Rugby Park.
She’s a lucky woman :-)
Ragers Ragers – we ain’t got no Ragers.
We don’t need no steenkin Ragers.
copyright Paul67
Not a fan of the Fan Survey. Too simplistic. For example, why cant we support some of the resolutions while being against others? Most of them are supportable in the name of financial fair play; its just a pity Doncaster tried to slip a gotcha in there, maybe hoping no-one would spot it.
* hears voice in background*
“Right you, – get the rest of that lawn cut”
Mow the Hoops
ASonOfDan @12 42.
I knew a home and away from the early 60s Rangers supporter who chucked it within a few months of the Murray / Souness monstrosity beginning .
His reasons were that –
Murray was deliberately pandering to the bigot pound.
Murray’s fast and loose approach to finance would end in disaster..
Souness was an uber Hun whose mindset was dragging Rangers further into a win at all costs , supremacist sectarian mire.
He wanted none of what was coming .
He told me he was far from alone in his thoughts and actions.
He was bang on.
SPL survey completed
Rangers protection racket has to stop. The barbaric mediaeval mindset that administrates Scottish football needs removed. The crooks and I am talking Campbell Ogilvie and almost every high level employee of Glasgow Rangers here should be put in jail for tax evasion. Anything else and I will lose my entire lifetimes interest in Scottish football
I tried to post this on the last thread but couldn’t get the link to work so;
1. Go into http://www.amazon.co.uk
2. Search for Veet for Men Hair Removal Gel Creme 200ml
3. Read the first customer review.
SPL Fan Surveys@SPLFanSurveysReply
http://splsurvey.co.uk/stats.php has been updated, we have just passed 6,000 #SPLFanSurveys
Stats
Here are the latest results as of 13:08, Friday 13th April 2012
This page will be updated at least twice daily.
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There have been a total of 6013 responses.
If Rangers are liquidated and reformed as a Newco, should they be allowed immediate re-entry into the SPL?
No (5664) – 94.20%
Yes (349) – 5.80%
In the event of a Rangers Newco being allowed immediate re-entry how, as a supporter of another SPL/SFL club would you respond?
I would continue to attend SPL fixtures as normal (801) – 13.32%
I would NOT attend any SPL fixtures at all (3247) – 54.00%
I would continue to attend SPL fixtures but boycott any fixtures involving the Rangers Newco (1772) – 29.47%
I support an SFL team so don’t attend any SPL fixtures (193) – 3.21%
Do you back the SPL’s Financial Fair Play Proposals?
Yes (2529) – 42.06%
No (3484) – 57.94%
Paul67
I was under the impression SPL rules required a newco to have 3 years audited accounts to qualify for entry,is this correct?
If it is then surely the SPL shouldn’t be getting involved?
I’ve just read the Ragers Supporters Trust statement on the new proposals.
Their arrogance has left me speachless although not surprised.
Astounded of forehead.
Hail hail
MME
South Of Tunis @ 13:13:
I know an ex-RFC supporter who turned his back after Judas signed. Nothing to do with the signing itself, but was utterly sickened by what he saw and heard from fellow supporters around him. Vowed never again to set foot in Ibrox and never has. His kids are now Chelsea and MU supporters.
Paul67
only a few weeks back you advocated an away boycott at Kilmarnock clearly Calum Murray ensured that such a protest would not happen.
What´s your thoughts on this today ?
HAil Hail
Paul67
”One additional point about democracy, it carries responsibility. In this instance, stopping Newco means fans of all remaining clubs have to step forward in increasing numbers to buy season tickets. This is the cost of sporting integrity.”
I’m sure once the Clubs do the right thing their fans will buy season tickets.
I don’t think anyone could seriously suggest that fans should buy a season ticket in the hope their Club will do the right thing.
So, wait and see.
bournesouprecipe on 13 April, 2012 at 13:08 said:
worked best the third time :)))
don’t suppose you saw peter kay last night, you haven’t been writing material for him have you?
personal favourite:”phoned up the curry house last night and asked if they deliver, they said no but we do do korma bhuna and jalfrezi”
South Of Tunis
Prior to Souness rangers had not won the League since 1978 they were a non-entity in Scottish Football. In the years following that League Title, Aberdeen won the Cup Winners Cup and Super Cup and Dundee Utd reached the UEFA Cup final. The season his arrival was announced rangers would finish Fifth ahead of Dundee on goal difference.
Funny how Scottish Football not only survived, but actually thrived without a ‘strong rangers’
HH
Being helpful:
Veet Review, especially for Dick Byrne
Dick Byrne on 13 April, 2012 at 13:16
Hilarious !!!
HH
Kayal33 on 13 April, 2012 at 12:54 said:
jc2 on 13 April, 2012 at 12:51 said:
We are getting ahead of ourselves BUT I was under impression Cup Final was getting moved to a Sunday because of CL final or was that just a rumour.
That’s from next season
But what happens if we get to the SCF and the Champions League Final next season?
HH
Has Dick Byrne morphed into Bawbag Burn?