The proposed SFA rule change, that clubs must conduct an investigation into prospective new owners, went through unopposed at the Association’s AGM, currently underway at Hampden. No formal rules must be observed during this investigation, not even the ‘Gandhi criminal rule’ postulated by (still) SPL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, so a club can look into the matter as deeply as they see appropriate and the former owner can claim he was “duped” after the money appears in his bank account.
This does not strengthen efforts to keep unfit people from owning Scottish clubs, if anything, it provides errant clubs with a defence. Previously it was explicitly the club’s responsibility to ensure owners were fit and proper, now the club’s responsibility is limited to carrying out an unspecified value judgement. Tune in soon to hear “We carried out an investigation consistent with best practice, why punish us?”
In this instance, value judgements are worth as much as Ibrox valuations. It’s not the rules that are wrong, the only problem is one club didn’t respect the rules and doesn’t like the medicine.
No mention yet of the dark Fifa cloud hanging over the Association. Perhaps it’s slipped their mind.
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Jock Stein’s celtic.
I have to disagree. The SPL investigation has the power to award us twelve in a row! Seriously, if the SPL does its job right, it taints everything they’ve done for ten years. It shows they’ve been cheating for ten years. Cheating every stakeholder, investor, sponsor, observor, customer and supporter of every football team in Scotland.
If the SFA doesn’t do its job right, we could end up kicked out of Europe. Not exactly a side show.
hamiltontim on 7 June, 2012 at 10:26 said:
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I do recall you’re posts very well. Now at least.
But, being in the possession of such detail or, more like an eye for such detail…I assume, you wont object if I insert an option 3 ?
3. Full of beer and, didn’t remember.
I now ask you to please forgive my outrageous crime.
And, drop the ‘liar’ – tag.
I didn’t lie…I forgot! FFS.
Hamilton Races this afternoon.
Not a bad day….get yersel along there. A few CQN ers in bar if anyone fancies a wee day out
67 European Cup Winners on 7 June, 2012 at 10:28 said:
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I would be grateful if you would point out to me, where and, to whom, I was, less than civilised ?
KevJungle – “1st Flag on the JUNGLE roof for LENNON’S LION’S” on 7 June, 2012 at 10:11 said:
Charlie Mulgrew – Myth
Joe Ledley – disappears to easily
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charlie won the spl player of the year.
and joe disappeared to score at back post against TFOD.
starting to think you are really gerry mcnee .;))))))
that guy talked total cr@p every time he opened his gob.
please do not pull out the old medal and you know the rest story
jam67
I am totally scunnered with this whole soap opera. Rangers are as guilty as sin and rubbing the noses of the General Public in it.
I am now convinced that regardless of what everyone is saying about them being finished, they will come out of this clean, lean and in a better state than they were in prior to it.
Sanctions will be nauseatingly minimal.
Headtheball on 7 June, 2012 at 10:27 said:
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the problem is that, there aren’t enough reallists like yer ghoodself going around these days. imo.
No wool over the eyes – CSC
gerryguk7@10:34
‘If the SFA doesn’t do its job right, we could end up kicked out of Europe. Not exactly a side show’
And the Scottish national team would also be kicked out of the 2014 WC qualifiers
hamiltontim on 7 June, 2012 at 10:26 said:
Now to me that makes you either one of 2 things….
1) a liar
or
2) an individual with the attention span of a fish.
You choose….
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2010 Never Again
3) Or perhaps even a lying individual with the attention span of a fish
minx 1888
I met the Southend on sea CSC in Norwich they gave me a card with the address of their club
Unit 29
Grainger rd Ind Est
Southend on Sea
Essex SS2 5DD
They were a right good crowd
HH
Twists and Turns and all the Hamilton Race gang
Have a great day and back a few winners
Sorry I cant be there.
Looking forward to the Euros also.
scratcher bhoys , be nice to each other. They can’t escape this so don’t worry yersels goneburger.
jungle jam67 on 7 June, 2012 at 10:40 said:
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I’ve no intention of crossing swords with you but…
Charlie won SPL player of the year ? So what ?
Joe Ledley scored one goal from midfield v’s the huns all season ? So what ?
WBA about to appoint Steve Clarke as manager apparently.
KevJungle – “1st Flag on the JUNGLE roof for LENNON’S LION’S” on 7 June, 2012 at 10:11 said:
Charlie Mulgrew – Myth
Joe Ledley – disappears to easily
I am beginning to think you are nothing more than an attention seeker,,,trying to come up with something controversial so that the entire blog is focused on you!!!!!
Hail hail
KevJungle – “1st Flag on the JUNGLE roof for LENNON’S LION’S” on 7 June, 2012 at 10:47:
If you don’t think Charlie Mulgrew and Joe Ledley were the best players at Celtic last season you don’t know anything about football.
kevjungle
Are you kojo in his ‘I know nothing about football despite being a mad man of the terraces’ persona?
HH
Avocado on 7 June, 2012 at 10:42 said
Still a lot of water to pass under the bridge on this, but I understand your frustration at the long wait for justice.
On another note, I noticed your Xavs posting a few days ago. Were you a recruit of the incomparible Fr. J. Murphy?
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…” on 7 June, 2012 at 10:51 said:
– The very man. Do you know anything about him now? Decent human being.
gerryguk7
for me it’s in theory the SPL could do this, the SFA that, and I’m not sure any punishment would apply to a New Club anyway. as I said the me for the real story is the financial one and whether a New Club gets off the ground.
Kev Jungle
If attention you seek,,,then your master plan has worked,,,unfortunately!!!!
Kevin Jungle and Kojo attention seekers INC!!!
Scrolling by your posts from now on!!!!
Hail hail
HT
Wonder what time your discussion with kevin took place last week as drinking and CQN are a bad mix.
Mort
Avocado on 7 June, 2012 at 10:54 said:
Last I heard he was married and living in either London or Boston? Not sure how accurate that is. Lst time I saw him was bizarre. I was at the Scottish Cup game vs Hibs that was played at Ibrox and I’m sure I saw him on the stairs on the way out. By the time aI got to the bottom he had disappeared into the crowd. spooky!
You don’t live in Spain by any chance?
While we hoped that the Scottish fitba authorities would “dae something” about the RFCia situation we have already seen enough “opinion” from the likes of neil Doncaster, stewart regan, the killie chairman and co to realise that the establishment is right behind the institution.
It seems that there is now no hun punishment required for taking the SFA to court (S regan)
It seems that the hun transfer ban has been overturned (judge judy)
It seems that hun newco direct into SPL has enough supporters (killie and Dundee Utd SPS)
It seems that no one wants to talk about hun double contracts issue (Shhhhhh!!)
It seems that Campbell Ogilvie did not know about hun EBTs etc. even though he had one. (S Regan)
It seems that no one, even Hector, is getting paid anything, (Charles Green)
It seems that liquidation is very similar to CVA (Neil Doncaster)
So far the huns only punishment has been a 10 pt deduction in a season where they lost the title by 20 odd points. Big Deal. Lets compare scars shall we?
Neil Lennon got a 8 game ban for his handbags with sally moment
Fergus got a £200,000 fine for poaching TB about twenty years ago
Celtic replayed Rapid at OT after a bottle landed on the pitch
A new snp law was brought in to stop aggressive blessing last season after 3 huns were sent off at CP
The close season has actually bought the huns a bit of respite / the red tops are back to their best and any “phone in” challenges are closed in the close season. The swingometer seems to be heading back in favour of the huns in the past week or so.
I just hope that things aren’t always what they “seem” to be
new article posted.
ibleedgreenandwhite1
Kevin is a an attention seeker no doubt but his inane ramblings can help pass the day.
Kevin
So now Joe ledley is getting stick for only scoring one goal from midfield against the huns this season.
fair point, Joe, you need to improve next season. (oops forgot they won’t be there)
Mort
Ledley has been a fantastic player for us. We really miss him when is not playing. If you think he disappears in games, I would suggest it is because does a lot the donkey work that does unnoticed. Probably why we keep a better shape when he is playing. Think I remember him scoring a great header around the festive period. Old K Broadfoot might agree that he disappears!
Mulgrew = class. What a footballer!
It’s all about opinions though
Steinreignedsupreme on 7 June, 2012 at 10:50 said
If you don’t think Charlie Mulgrew and Joe Ledley were the best players at Celtic last season you don’t know anything about football.
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I apologise for delay m8.
All i’m saying is that, if the two players mentioned above were the, two best players at CP last season then…what does that say for the rest of the players ?
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…” on 7 June, 2012 at 10:57 said:
He left the vocation? Well I hope it worked out for him.
Have you any idea what happened to the place in Calder St? Was it mothballed? Were you there too?
I’m in South east Queensland in a wee place between Brisbane and Toowoomba.
KevJungle
Of course I can excuse you for having a few beers, I and many others have been guilty of posting whilst under the influence and occasionally even regretting what we’ve said.
What I find strange is your claim that you ‘forgot’ that you had read a statement from the GB stating their intention to renew season tickets.
You have posted now for several months with the view that the Celtic support should not renew until the issue of a newco has been resolved. I completely disagree with this analysis but respect your right to adhere to it.
You have claimed that PL and the Celtic board are untrustworthy and this was reflected in the stance which had been made, at the time, by the GB. You have on numerous occasions used the position of the GB to support and reinforce your assertions.
I hope you can understand why I would find it difficult to believe your claim that you ‘forgot’ that they had renewed.
I can feel kings pain as his dinner ticket gets took off him.
By IAIN KING
Published: 49 minutes ago
ALL crass and no class.
This morning would-be Rangers owner Charles Green may feel he has pulled off a cunning and clever masterstroke by sparking a rush to rip Sir David Murray’s name off the training complex he always saw as his legacy.
One man’s masterstroke, though, is another man’s cheap shot, low blow punch in the b***s.
I fully recognise that Murray’s reign at Rangers will forever now spark seething debate.
Yet, in this headlong rush to vilify the steel tycoon who swept into power at Ibrox in October 1988 when his close pal Graeme Souness persuaded him to take the plunge, some searching questions have to be answered.
Without Murray would Rangers have signed Mo Johnston and smashed down the barrier of signing a high-profile Catholic star? No.
Would they have careered on to nine titles on the spin and matched rivals Celtic’s historic feat? No.
Would genuine superstars like Brian Laudrup and Paul Gascoigne have ever worn a Rangers jersey? No.
This morning Sir David Murray deserves to sit in morbid silence and survey the death of Rangers’ legacy.
Under massive pressure from Lloyd’s Bank to offload Gers in a hurry he ignored sound advice from those around him and flogged the club to Craig Whyte.
The truth is that if Murray was duped that day then it would have been the first time. He wasn’t.
Deep down I’m sure he knew Whyte was a chancer and a gambler who would speculate to accumulate.
In the end when Ally McCoist’s side crashed and burned in Europe, twice, Whyte couldn’t even pay the taxes.
What has happened since as a crippled club have been dragged through the mire has been a sickening scandal that will now always besmirch Rangers’ 140-year history.
The downfall of Murray’s Rangers will always be a source of pleasure to those who hated his bombast and his bravado.
Yet the fact remains that without their controversial former chairman a glory-laden chapter in Gers’ folklore would never have been written.
For me, forget Whyte for now. The collapse began when Murray started chasing the impossible dream. The Champions League.
The constraints of Scotland’s footballing landscape meant he threw good money after bad, watched Dick Advocaat lavish £72million on stars who failed in Europe when it mattered most.
It is significant that the nearest Gers ever came to the Holy Grail was under the stewardship of Walter Smith in 1993 when a break of the ball in Marseille would have taken them to the final.
Murray will reflect on that this morning as Green surveys the bitter aftermath of a back-alley attack on a man who in my book does NOT deserve it.
The former Ibrox supremo will take the bitter regrets he nurses over the sale of Gers to Whyte to his grave.
Those pondering whether to call the training ground he built after Moses McNeil or Davie Cooper should remember their right to do so comes with a caveat attached.
Renew your season ticket, kick the fallen king, roll up, roll up. Sorry, but for me the actions of Mr Green last night are nothing to be proud of.
Avocado on 7 June, 2012 at 11:02 said:
I believe he did leave the vocation. The Priests House was sold off a number of years ago to a family (I believe). The Main House and associated buildings (doms, sports halls etc) were all sold to a developer a few years ago who has been building houses/flats I undertand (though I’ve not been back to see them since that happened).
I was there mate – a survivor – LOL!
I spent some time in Aus a few years ago – Perth, Sydney, Tazzy – didn;t make it to Brisbane – big coutry and not enough time!
If you can remember your Laundry Number you get 10 points – mine was 97!! :-))
Chat about whether it was right or wrong for Ogilivie to be a beneficiary of Rangers’ tax scams is largely irrelevant set beside the fundamental issues at the heart of this scandal.
As an Executive Director of Rangers, he was legally responsible for the proper Governance of the company, for protecting the shareholders’ and company’s interests, and for implementing the Strategy and Instruction of the Board of Directors.
As a Director of the SFA, he was responsible for upholding the SFA’s FIFA mandate to protect and foster the Game in Scotland, for the proper Governance of the Association, and for protecting the interests of the SFA and its members.
As an Executive Director of Rangers, it is not permissible for him to claim ignorance of the major contractual positions the company had taken. It was his Responsibility to know what they were, and where appropriate to challenge them. That these positions are now causing the collapse of the club indicates how significant the risk to the club was.
As an Executive Director, he is on record as confirming that he has signed Player contracts on behalf of the club during the DOS and EBT years. It is not permissible for him to claim that he did not know the terms of the contracts that he signed on behalf of the club. It was his Responsibility to read and fully understand the terms before he signed.
As a Director of the SFA, his failure to notify the Association of the conflicting interests he held between his role as Executor of Rangers’ tax scams, and that of a Guardian of the Game in Scotland is a failing in first principles of the role.
Moreover, his failure to disclose this conflict facilitated the outrageous scam on the Game being committed by Rangers, the member club of which he was Director.
Giving Ogilivie the benefit of every conceivable doubt, he is unfit to hold the office of Director by virtue of his compliant stupidity. Curiously, I have not seen any other evidence that might suggest Ogilvie is either stupid or compliant.
TBB
Barcabhoy @ 10:07,
Tend to agree with you regarding Mr Regan – though I do think he could have issued a tougher overall message with regard to compliance.
And obviously CO has to be assumed innocent and there is no suggestion his EBT payments are anything but legal. Yet consider the SFA Tribunal into RFC disrepute charges, it determined the culpability of the whole RFC Board over the period in question i.e. the it was all Craig Whyte’s fault didn’t wash.
Surely IF the EBT scheme is deemed to be illicit/illegal, by the FTT &/or the SPL (especially in light of CO’s RFC responsibilities and the Board position held) his position as President of the SFA must be untenable i.e. the it was all M.I.H.’s fault won’t wash.
IF the SPL ever, ever get round to deciding there is a Prima Facie case against RFC re:EBTs, CO will need to stand down or be suspended.
So where are we….?
Big tax case ?
Tax not paid for last season?
Unfit owner?
Ticketus bumped?
Luquidation?
CVA not accepted?
Players free to leave as Whyte still in charge?
King alleging he has first dibs on MBB shares?
Green wanting to rename minty park?
But green doesn’t own rangers ?
Is he going to buy rangers?
Who is his backers?
Are they fit and proper?
Or have they backed out?
Are they guilty of dual contracts?
Are they banned from Europe?
Are they staying in SPL ?
Are they going to 3rd div
Are they getting penalties ?
Will they be a newco ?
Is the SFA president guilty of knowing ?
Will ticketus or rangers get season book money
Will there be criminal charges?
Is king fit and proper?
Is Paul Murray?
Will the sky deal be scuppered ?
Will dunfermline sue if relegated?
Will there be any answers ?
Its funny how this arrogant lawless disregard for basic civilized rules & business protocol is paralleled in the corruption of Wall Street, The City & the Banking fraternity. Ordinary folk & the normal “low level” business guy are nothing to these Oligarchs that style themselves as Masters of the Universe. What is going on in London, with Jamie “Whale” Dimon, and JP Morgans inflation/monopoly of gold/silver/metal markets is THE major global scandal of today. Goldman Sachs, driven on by guys like Blankfein, are collaborating and consolidating the commodity markets for the Banking Class. The worlds largest Global banks effectively own all the major world commodity’s we all need- which means they can control the prices of nearly everything that is out there.
Whytey, Sir Minty, Agent Green et al are all of this arrogant deluded semi-psychotic ilk- they believe normal everyday rules for the “little man”, such ss paying tax etc do not apply to such esteemed worthies as themselves- these Supermen have abrogated an alternative destiny to themselves that does not include accountability
to the law.
No man is above Law.
No to the bloated Kleptocrats!
citizensmithCSC.
Good morning fellow Celts from wet and windy London Town
A distinct lack of oul’ butcher’s Aprons this weekend :)
HH
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