Celtic have apparently asked the Scottish Government to take a common sense look at their Covid restrictions for football players, but I don’t know if I have ever imagined a greater waste of energy than to appeal to this Government’s common sense.
Yesterday they shuttered the hospitality sector for most of the country, while locking down rural areas after 6pm, claiming this sector was prevalent in the rise of Covid’s second wave. You don’t say, Sherlock. Since August they permitted football fans to gather in enclosed pubs to watch games, while prohibiting games at open air stadiums, contrary to all scientific evidence. We have repeatedly discussed this folly here.
Encourage people into pubs, then blame pubs for the second wave, if only they were prepared to deviate from the policies of a Westminster government, scientific evidence would have had a chance to influence political policy.
Thousands of fans attend games across Europe, all outdoors, all socially distanced, all with strict travel, entry and egress protocols, mandated by governments who are not following Boris Johnson’s cabal. There has been no related increase in contagion – because, as we all know, this is not how contagion happens. It happens indoors, where there is no monitoring.
The hospitality sector needed to be thoroughly monitored (just as the football sector would have been) when it opened. Spot checks should have taken place many times each week, with licences pulled immediately for those who allowed unsafe practices. If it was monitored, social distancing practices would be sufficient to keep people safe.
I saw plenty of venues that had clearly spent a small fortune on partitions, with staff permanently wiping and cleaning handles, and others which looked little changed from the pre-Covid era. There was no consistency, which means there was no enforced monitoring, which means responsibility for the rise in contagion from the hospitality sector lies largely with the government.
If you do not monitor compliance and close offending venues, you know you are contributing to the problem. Despite this, you can continue watch afternoon games in a Dunfermline pub, with as much alcohol as you can consume, without any change in government monitoring policy.
Unusually, this wave of restrictions came several days ahead of Westminster’s planned move. Don’t get me started on it grabbing the headlines on ‘Oh, I forgot Day’. We are bereft of competent leadership in Edinburgh and London. The former can do what they like because their opposition is even less competent than they are, and the latter can do what they like because they have another four years before they need to care about you.
It is thoroughly depressing; our government co-joined twins care nothing of the game, do not expect any amount of evidence to bring about change. As long as they keep their legions of cognitively dissonanced fan boys (CDFBs) on side, competency will not improve. I buy none of their bull, self-promoting careerists to the last. Green and white are my only colours.
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As I previously said in my last post , you can use character assassination as a condition to post on here and right on cue a “very irregular poster “ comes on and does just that.
Heaven help us.
Hail Hail
Stay Safe
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MADMITCH
Not got much time for politics, but tracking/tracing has worked
for us, down to a 14 day average of 9 now after another idiot with
symptoms caused another outbreak by travelling all over with
them.
We wont get out of lockdown until at least 5.
Tough but necessary.
H.H. Mick
P8DDY on 8TH OCTOBER 2020 2:55 PM
‘I’ll lave you with a final thought – you’re a dyed in the wool unionist, your only colours are red, white and blue.’
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Here’s the thing though, support for Scottish independence and the SNP is not part of the traditions or heritage of Celtic Football Club or the fans of Celtic Football Club.
And that’s putting it mildly.
So by your reasoning every one of the greats associated with the Club have been dyed in the wool unionists.
BADA
Ha..ha
So is that NOBIDS 19
H.H. Mick
GP @ 3.00
Herd immunity is just a second rate flu expert bumping his gums about CoViD19.
Never send a stoat to do a weasel’s work — you have been warned.
At the moment all we can do is batten down the hatches and hope for a vaccine.
Active suppression towards local eradication was on the agenda in May and June.
However that was not the plan for the Tories — they just wanted to contain it and run the NHS hot to limit the economic damage until a vaccine was available.
However they failed to spot or understand the asymptomatic angle — dormant cases in the background which would provide the seed corn for another wave once public mixing was back on the cards.
Not-Jacinda and her crew had no clue what to do apart from announce stuff before BoJo and keep the lockdown going for an extra couple of weeks — no attempt at actually doing stuff just wait and hope.
The solution is probably to put the economy into hibernation for 6 months — with 20% of the workforce actually doing stuff — and actively suppress the outbreak with sample testing / chain linking / managed isolation.
The state prints money — people sit in the house on 60% / 70% / 80% of their wages.
If the state needs extra help then it ask for help from the furloughed.
Some will stay but some will come forward.
Treat CoViD19 like a small war.
And
MBM @ 3.24
So who was the person who was doing the active spreading?
I’m sure there are a lot of them out there.
My experience of Covid-compliant practices chimes with Pauls 67s.
I saw great efforts to isolate and shield back in March to May and stringent efforts by stores and retail outlets to provide a safe experience. A combination of Summmer weather and a seemingly successful attempt to quieten the first Covid surge led to a drop in standards in the June to August period when individuals, shops and workplaces became a lot less stringent in applying previous rules.
Added to that, in September and October, we are now seeing a rebellion growing, within a previously accepting population, because the rules seem more abitrary and less evidence-based as we have relaxed, re-asserted control and relaxed again before a crack down. Things have not broken down because the “Covid is a hoax” message has won; despite Eamon Holmes efforts’ that nmessage has had little traction.
But the accusation “You don’t know what you’re doing!!” has gained traction and respect for the clarity, consistency and common sense of the official message has been diluted. That this is so, is not down, solely, to a growing frustration, scepticism or cynicism with the message. In a large part, in Scotland, it is also down to the difficulty that the Government has faced in providing justifications for its actions during this relaxation period. They have slipped from the previous high standard of their messaging and nobody could have been impressed or heartened by Nicola Sturgeon’s jibe, on being asked why football could not get the trial roll out that rugby had, that “Covid does not discriminate betwen an oval and a round ball” (It was not Covid that was being accused of making the distinction; it was the government).
Similarly when Jason Leitch says, in response to Christie and Tierney, that “footballers will not get special treatment”, he ignores the fact that they are highly tested and more compliant with restrictions than the general population; his was an answer to a question that had not been posed- maybe he has been hanging about with politicians too long. He was playing to a gallery, recptive to an anti-football message. We deserve better than this.
After more than 6 months of lockdown, we now expect better answers and honesty than we are getting. It is alright to state, as Nicola has done on occasions, that the Political Policy is guided by the Science but, sometimes, we have to take decisions which are informed punts rather than evidence based policies, I would have more respect for that acknowledgement, than I have for rolling out the “policy guided by scientists” line when their 14 page evidence support letter contains absolutely 0% of evidnece or statements on the matter.
In a deadly, fast moving situation like Covid, I do not expect omniscience and guarantees that the actions taken are exactly right. I do expect that they should be honest and open, and we are not getting that, currently.
MM,
And what happens after a 6 month hibernation? It starts again, only there won’t be nearly as many persons employed.
With respect, that is only a delaying mechanism not an exit strategy. Would our club survive a 6 month total hibernation, would any clubs survive outwith the EPL ?
Would any business survive ?
More and more eminent science and medical professionals are now vocing the obvious alternative.
HH.
The pubs should never have reopened – anyone who needs drink
can buy it in a supermarket. It sums up the state of this country
when the ” Hospitality ” industry is so important
Remember when we built ships on the Clyde or made steel
at Ravenscraig? We are just an economic basket case of fake
jobs and zero hours contracts. Where is the future for our kids?
Take it you mean me MM.
Probably the same type of person who refuses to wear a mask
even though it’s been proved helps to stop the spread.
Still getting 20 to 30 a day prepared to pay a huge fine, it’s a
strange old world a tell ye.
H.H. Mick
P8DDY
Good to see you back.
Paul’s non-engagement with you is not personal; he has not engaged with anyone on the blog for quite some time now.
You do give reasons for your disagreement, so there is a debate to be had with you, and not just an insult exchange ( I do feel you let yourself down with the red, white and blue jibe, though, because not being in favour of further Independence Austerity on top of post-Brexit asuterity and Covid-Austerity does not make you a flag fetishist, whether it’s a red , white and blue flag, or a blue and white one).
Addressing the evidence of your post directly, I think the weakness in your line is contained within the phrase “One has to presume that the government are acting on the advice of those scientists.”
There is no need for such presumption and you are not usually so susceptible to such an Authoritarian line of rhetoric. The government published 14 pages of supportive evidence for their recent lockdown decisions. Not one word of it was devoted to the world of outdoor football, its roles and responsibilities or culpabilities in dealing with Covid.
Now, maybe they do have good evidence and maybe they do have a good argument but it is neither being espoused nor heard nor countered. We are just being told we can’t be made a “special case”. Does that convince you that scientific advice is behind a “just cos we say so” response?
I know you are not a dyed in the wool SNP man but I also doubt that you are as impressed by their arguments and reasoning as you are letting on here.
Who ever thought opening up Universities was a good idea, should be strung up
Madmitch…
Good to see you still on here amigo!
P8 @ 2.54’ish
You are having a laugh — the Nats tried to keep people safe …
However incompetent you think they may have may, to suggest the intent wasn’t to keep people safe is pretty callous – The Westminster government absolutely toyed with the idea of a cull of the vulnerable. The SNP have at least tried.
They just extended their passive efforts that bit longer than BoJo.
They then sat on their erse for 8 weeks basking in the glow of the low published figures.
They’ve been ahead of Westminster at most points. In the end, I’m not an SNP supporter or voter so I have no need to act as their fan boy – my main point of contention is Paul67’s tory acquiescence and (new) Labour shilling masquerading as football punditry.
As is, the SNP’s record stands up with most nations in the EU.
No attempt to actively suppress the disease through sample testing or chain linking the outbreak.
That is patently not the case. Having family members working in a couple of arms of public health, one in molecular delivery mechanisms (ie how you catch covid mostly) and one that’s overseen some of the track and trace efforts, you’re wrong. Not misguided, simply wrong. Again, I’m not making much of a case for the SNP, IMO mistakes have been made – and fairly serious ones. But given the situation and the mess other governments are making of it, I don’t think they’re doing particularly badly. The nature of a devolved parliament doesn’t help.
Not-Jacinda played to the galleries with lockdowns in Dumfries and Aberdeen.
Can we not do the play ground insult name calling thing please? It just reduces the quality of the conversation and makes us look like we’re two 6 year olds calling people names.
Who needs testing when things seem to be going well.
I disagree, but given I’m not an SNP supporter, I’m not minded to fly the flag for them.
We have spent the last 4 months hoping that it would all go away.
Just like every other capitalist regime.
BoJo is not up to the job and so — unfortunately — is Not-Jacinda.
To quote Atari teenage riot – All governments are murderers. This is not new information. But when we live in a regime that masquerades as a democracy, what do you expect?
Like I say – my points were direct towards Paul67’s jaundiced political posturing and hypocrisy.
/p
GREENPINATA on 8TH OCTOBER 2020 3:35 PM
‘More and more eminent science and medical professionals are now vocing the obvious alternative.’
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There’s a minority of right wing ideologues advocating the stort of stuff you’d expect a right wing ideologue to advocate.
They’re from the same neck of the woods as those who disputed the link between smoking and cancer.
Ernie Lynch…
Hope you’re doing well! And just like MadMitch, it’s good to see you on here still! I still hanker back for the days of ripping it up with Kano.
Anyhoo… I digress
Here’s the thing though, support for Scottish independence and the SNP is not part of the traditions or heritage of Celtic Football Club or the fans of Celtic Football Club.
Support for independence has been a cornerstone of the Celtic support since its inception. If you call for Irish independence, what’s the difference with Scotland? Every single person that mouthed a ‘rebel’ song should be absolutely four square behind Scottish independence – and I believe that as more people accept their Scottish heritage alongside their Irish roots that support will only grow.
If not, and there’s a real belief in being British, I believe there’s a ‘quintessentially British club’ that would be happy for the support.
And that’s putting it mildly.
It’s not putting it mildly, it’s putting it *misleadingly* in my opinion.
So by your reasoning every one of the greats associated with the Club have been dyed in the wool unionists.
This is the classic ‘do you still beat your wife’ trick question. Firstly – there’s historical context. A stand against Scottish independence in the 1960’s and 70’s when we were regarded as incomers etc is entirely different to now. In those days the ‘Tartan Army’ was comprised mostly of Rangers fans. That has pivoted 180 degrees. The Scotland fans of today are much more likely to be Celtic fans than Rangers. You’ll see more saltires in a Celtic crowd than Rangers one – so the issue of ‘Celtic greats’ doesn’t come into it.
More importantly though – who are these Celtic greats? Who are the people whose political opinions you know so well that you’re happy to refer to them? Because I don’t know them? And I had a family member on the old board! (Yes the bad old days. NOT MY FAULT, I WAS A CHILD!!) ;)
Ultimately, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect those opinions… but when Paul ‘Leave your politics at the door’ 67 starts campaigning on a unionist ticket that would have Rangers fans salivating? When he manages to stay compliantly silent on the tories when they dunk children into poverty but finds the straw that breaks the camels back is him not getting into football? No. Naw, in fact. Its a garbage position – sadly, it’s what I’ve come to expect. Celtic Quick News is more now about putting as many ads on the page as possible – and it’s became *exactly* what I predicted it would (go check!) back in the days before lazy journalism and hypocrisy became the norm.
/p
Ernie,
I do not think doctors who advocate focused protection can be classed right wing or left wing.
Give me your alternative exit strategy given that Covid 19 could be with us indefinitely?
HH to you.
Ernie Lynch…
There’s a minority of right wing ideologues advocating the stort of stuff you’d expect a right wing ideologue to advocate.
They’re from the same neck of the woods as those who disputed the link between smoking and cancer.
Probably the best comment that’ll be on the site for a while. 100 percent accurate and on the money.
/p
I wish I could get a reply in bold print…😢
“!!BADA BING!! on 8TH OCTOBER 2020 3:23 PM
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Another very good one. Serious issues are being discussed but a laugh now and then helps lift the spirits (Very important whilst the other `spirits` are not to be lifted in pub company for a while ).
Bada
I predict you will get a reply to that wish in bold print !
Bada
Use the formula and put your text in hte middle , leaving no spaces. Your text has to be preceded by the start bold instruction and immediately attached with the end bold instruction
There you are!
Bold as Bada
I would say draconian control measures, emergency powers, spying and grassing on your neighbours, Covid Marshalls and potential army on the streets is a more identified right wing ideology.
Sorry Bada the formula is
Why won’t it show?
I was just going to ask: What is the formula ( and where is it?).
`Be brave, resolute and bold…
Will brave and resolute be enough? I am struggling a bit with the `bold` .
Typpe the following three symbols without spacing to begin bolding:-
nope- that didn’t work either
“Bolded text“
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Bolded text“TURKEYBHOY on 8TH OCTOBER 2020 12:07 PM
Favorite Uncle,
Dont remember,but I know Souness was very guilty of it.Put it down to injuries.Dont think its possible now,as players must report to be assessed by National Doctors.Hence Biton with Israel.
*At one time the deidco and the national side doctor were one and the same. With the scottish freemason association in charge whose going tae challenge him if he rules a player(s) out from international duty but is ok for the club game.
Probably easier to post a link
https://om4.com.au/client/html-for-bloggers/
Try again
The less than sign (bottom right of keyboard)
The letter b
The more than sign (bottom left again)
Then insert the text you wish to bold without spacing between the 3 symbols above and the concluding 4 symbols ( you do leave spaces between the words of the text)
You then add 4 more symbols
The less than sign
The digonal line / (under question mark on Mac keyboard)
The letter b
The more than sign
Clear as mud
P8 @ 4.08
Thanks for the memories — the forced / partial / slanted analysis …
The nit picking / the hipster political trendiness / the maiden aunt sensibilities.
Consequently nothing new then.
Although your defence of the SG Test / track / Trace efforts is noble if not a little misguided.
As I have noted previously the we are the only country in the world that has shut down testing capacity.
Regarding your family member in a lab coat — I wonder what they are working on and who is paying the money — the SG has taken penny pinching to a new level during the CiViD19 outbreak.
Regarding your contact in the Tartan Track and Trace programme — who is looking after their day job at the moment? Shameful that the SG just re-purposed existing SG employees to do the track and trace with very little extra capacity hired to aid their efforts.
Very low energy / very low rent — very much the norm in present day Scotland.
Finally regarding P67 original point — innovation / hard work / public sector excellence / original thinking is beyond the SG at the moment consequently I fear he was always going to be disappointed by their efforts.
However the failure is a punch to a bruise for Scottish football in general regarding the way that the SG and their minions have behaved towards them.
Especially after the Nat MP getting herself into bother — custom and practice would have suggested that the Nats get fined for the rule breaking but so far there has only been silence.
So please keep up the chat — CQN needs all the Micro Marxists and Tiny Trots that it can get.
STBF@ 2:33
Thanks for quoting me. That’s a first. 😳
I didn’t insult Paul but merely suggested that an informative article on what was happening to our players during what could be a disastrous week for football in general and Celtic FC in particular might have been a better use of bandwidth.
GP @ 3.35
What happened in 1945 — the economy converted to civilian production and we built our way towards a better tomorrow.
Regarding the situation today if the economy goes into hibernation then the government prints money to pay the bills. People get paid some of their wages to sit in the house.
To combat CoViD19 some sectors of the economy will need more resources so we need to start now. Other parts of the economy like the schools will need extra support and the excess labour sitting in the house could be tapped for the extra bodies.
We have made a number of schoolboy howlers in dealing with CoViD19 — so we need to learn from these mistskes.
Managed isolation not self isolation.
Community testing including comprehensive sample testing — I would offer up Kiltoon as a good place to start. 10K people in a defined area with few roads in or out.
Managed travel arrangements.
Testing of all teachers and staff before the schools went back.
Testing of all students before the uni’s went back.
Publicity for all the outbreaks — where they started / who was involved / where did it come from.
Other countries are pretty vocal about individual outbreaks while in the UK we have the techies hiding their working and the only light coming from papers with an agenda.
The story of the need for masks is probably the shambles of our response writ large.
Finally be very wary of certain publicity hungry medics in the field of evidence based medicine spouting business as normal.
Evidence based medicine would seem to be a business / billionaire friendly attempt to dilute the precautionary principle and get the profits flowing again.
Too many of them have an agenda and it is not to the benefit of the bottom 90%.
They just want to minimise their losses and get the hamsters back in their wheels.
They are very skilled at sounding very reasonable.