With Coronavirus cases rising across Scotland, those in the game will be anxious about their anticipated plans for some fans to be in attendance at games this weekend. Ross County hope to have around 500 at their game against Celtic on Saturday, two weeks after the Scottish Government allowed rugby to run similar tests.
There are many things we need to learn. How long will it take to process fans entering a stadium and which club has the most effective method? We need to know how fans who have travelled for hours will react when told their temperature is too high to allow entry. Will fans observe social distancing and how safely can this be enforced by stewarding?
The need for information is great and one iteration of learning will not be enough. When safe, we should be testing often.
Allowing test events for a few hundred fans at open air football games has to be among the safest activities available in the country. There is zero scientific reason for preventing them and many valid reasons to hold them, but this is all about signals and how to effectively govern the population. Football is a political football (sorry). It does not have the political clout of the drinks industry, or even rugby, for that matter, or some would have been watching football from the safe outdoors weeks ago.
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Bolton going back to a proper lockdown – takeaway only for pubs, restaurants etc. Restrictions on meeting up etc. I fear it’s the way a lot of places will go.
As an over 60, I haven’t even thought about setting foot in a pub or on public transport.
For the foreseeable future, I think I will largely be staying at home and hoping that the youngsters don’t bring the Covid home from the pub one night.
Saying I can’t visit my siblings and cousins while keeping pubs and schools open so that the 15-30 age group can spread the virus to every house in the city is nuts.
I sometimes think I’d be as well going to the football as waiting for the virus to come to me.
YORKBHOY on 8TH SEPTEMBER 2020 3:06 PM
:-)
Gary
We visit our children and grandchildren and they visit us. The only ‘third party’ place we visit is church. Pubs restaurants etc are a no no.
The blog today should carry a government health warning.
Some very sobering great posts.
Oh for the simple days of going to Parkhead for the home games and having a great match day experience while watching the away games in the boozer.
Will we ever see their like again.?
Gene @3.33
I better get my beerwulf order in before there is another run on the beer machine sub kegs.
BBC breaking news …
Two of Saturday’s Scottish Premiership matches will be played in front of fans after the Scottish government approved their applications to be test events.
Aberdeen’s game with Kilmarnock and Ross County’s meeting with Celtic will both have up to 300 spectators.
Both home clubs must ensure supporters are from their local areas and must provide a post-match report.
Aberdeen have also confirmed the 300 places will be allocated after a ballot of the first 7,500 fans who bought season tickets. The club will also aim to “ensure a spread of different size groups and ages”.
Gene
I’ve got 20 somethings living at home so that horse has bolted. Having said that, the 20 year old me would not have been kept from the pub either.:)
Gary
The problem is not that they go out its that they forget all about social distancing and sanatising. So although establishments can put things in place it goes out the window after a few beers.
WEEBOBBYCOLLINS on 8TH SEPTEMBER 2020 12:57 PM
How many are prepared to buy a virtual season book for next season?
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Me and WeeBGFC, but obviously hope it wouldn’t be entirely ‘virtual’.
My hope is for a viable vaccine – with the necessary regulatory approvals from MHRA – around the turn of the year. The Oxford AstraZenica one seems to be the most advanced candidate (ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) that hasn’t cut regulatory / clinical trial design corners.
The necessary Phase II/III clinical trials are ongoing. Results of the earlier Phase I/II trial are available here if anyone has the inclination: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31604-4/fulltext.
Paradoxically, the reduced community incidence of Covid-19 in the UK (compared, say, to Brazil or India) makes proving a vaccine a more time-consuming venture.
HH
BGFC
FingersCrossedCSC
Pubs being open are the height of lunacy. Makes no sense whatsoever. Think of how many flare-ups have been as a result of the boozer.
Chairboy- a really thought provoking post. Better facilities for less people could be applied across many sectors – public transport, restaurants, offices, cinemas etc.
As you say you have to prepare for a once in a century event happening twice in a decade cos that is how it could work ( check the number of 100 year floods we have had since 2000)
It makes perfect sense, but then Greenpinata’s reference to motivation kicks in, as long as it is extrinsic any action will stop when the external pressure goes away. First successful vaccination and we could have collective amnesia , and, like a goldfish, be surprised when it happens again.
My bet is on the goldfish scenario.
Turnbull and Doohan start for Scotland U21s in Lithuania
I also suspect that the “house parties” are mainly Jack result of folk getting slung out of the pub at 12 and then squads going back to houses for a post-pub swally and the “no home visits” rule won’t stop that.
300 fans in a stadium?
Like a pea in a biscuit tin.
Might encourage people to keep buying season books though if there’s a chance of being one of the chosen few.
Fix The Login Issue CSC
BGFC @ 3.52
No shortage of CoViD19 cannon fodder in the UK now.
As for a vaccine I think it will be at least 6 months at least before one is available.
Plus it will probably only generate partial coverage.
However as they say in Tesco — every little helps.
Scotland U21 game live on SFA site …
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/live-scotland-under-21s-v-lithuania/?rid=13925
TURKEYBHOY on 8TH SEPTEMBER 2020 11:41 AM
SID,
Your post exactly what I am talking about.Since when should we take your miserable assessments of the younger players,and reserves at the club as gospel.How many times have you watched Connel.You say about Harper,but have hardly seen him.If we took 20 from here and asked them their thoughts on players,they would all be different.Chelsea have around 90 young players out on loan.Most will never make it.Its what happens.Not a Scottish thing.
Doom and gloom.Never ends.
Turkeybhoy its not doom and gloom its my opinion. Actually my informed opinion. I mentioned Luca because several posters were singing his praises and wanting him to get games in our first team. Those posts were ok but mines is not, are you trying to silence free speech and police the blog that only certain opinions are allowed?
You posted, “Since when should WE, we? are you the blog spokesman, policeman, moderator? Sounds like your looking for support, if you think your going to bully me , forget it.
I’ve seen Luca , twice in the flesh, several times on tv, development games.
How many times has the Luca supporters seen him? You didn’t ask.
Now forget my experience in football, now that’s actual experience not watching on telly. I read your ignorant opinion on coaching badges. I didnt attack you for that, more class. In addition to that, one of Lucas teammates thinks the same, he has seen him every day for months.
Now let’s forget that too, the only opinion that matters is NFL.
In over a year he has not made one league squad, now that doesn’t necessarily mean he doesn’t like him, he might not be ready yet. Here’s what it definitely does mean though, he on every occasion thinks 19 players are in front of him.
Just when do fans think he is going to play, NFL has both Soro and Robertson in front of him.
My opinion is he is slow, not strong in tackle, lightweight, i was recently singing the praises of Frimpong, now that is the standard i think we should aspire too. Nothing against Luca purely business.
GARYGILLESPIESHAMSTRING on 8TH SEPTEMBER 2020 3:14 PM
On the stadium thing, I suspect that if the 10 doesn’t happen, the size of the stadium will cease to be an issue as a significant proportion of the season ticket will disappear like snow off a dyke. We be will be back to the hard core 25-30 K supporters of the 70s to pretty fergus days where a full house occurs very infrequently.
Was going to say I will meet you at number 5 in the Celtic end,above it if raining. in agreement mate😊
still hope some sort of tourney to starting of a euro leagie thing.its needed 😊
ps did you clock the future’undiscloed’ damages fig posted yest? wee jack pr’n for whit?-sumdi nose,lol.a her good shout for a public enquiry into Shenanigans?
Sir David Hunner Pence.
:-)
hail hail to you
:-):
how times change, remember my uncle packy taking me to parkhead yes parkhead not celtic park, anyway he always took me to the rainjurs end because of my bad claustraphobia, when you looked across to the celtic end you would see what looked like flashes of light going off, no it was fans lighting a fag ,and even in the rainjurs end you could smell that cigarette smoke, thats something that will stay with me forever, also the wee blue invalid cars on the track. ach nostalgia.com
I wonder how many people catch covid from Tesco’s, Salisbury, supermarkets, garden centres, restaurants and other shops against pubs…
D :)
BIG WAVY on 8TH SEPTEMBER 2020 12:06 PM
Naming rights values to EPL teams…..what could we get and would we care if it was named ?
Naming the Stadium wouldn’t bother me if we could get the advertising OFF the front of the jersey. I can stomach it on the back if I have to ( and I do ) but I really don’t like it in the front.
T
GREENPINATA @ 3:19 PM,
At first site it could look depressing but by no metric can this be the worst calamity the human race has faced.
It is a great opportunity as well, whenever we re-exam things, it’s alwsys the case…
Had occasion to do an excercise on Maslow’s triangle in a training session last year. Basically split into teams of two building a pyramid with word blocks… food, friendship, prestige, self-actualisation etc.
Well, my female colleague and I had a debate where to put the block “sex”, I’m thinking level 2 or even 3. She says one. So the debate is going on to the interest of the two female tutors, they get involve… they answer – definitely one!! I was about to debate with them, then thinking one guy, three girls, I could dig a huge hole here, so changed the pyramid and kept my mouth shut:)))
But it would be great for people to have a look and see what’s important in their lives and their triue priorities. Guess were seeing some of that acted out now… level 2 security for some, means a mixed bag I guess…
As far as Celtic go though, a model with a better match day experience for fewer of us, with a VST for more of us, won’t suit everyone but might be a welcome change.
MADMITCH @ 3:22 PM,
Well I take your point and it maybe an over resolute response but it certainly won’t be the biggest change football has ever seen so it’s not totally out of perspective.
In another life I worked on projects, some containing BCP (business continuity planning). It is guaranteed these guys are taking a serious look at the implications of a pandemic on their business.
One things for sure, with risk assessment requirements, health and safety requirements, continuity planning, insurance etc that the cost of business is going to go up. Every business has to revisit their plans and the macro and micro effects.
Questions like… do we have more people permanently working from home? Will be ubiquitious.
I’ll guarantee you this, the financials will change so to the businesses will change.
JINKYREDSTAR @ 3:52 PM,
The floods are a very good example. The gold fish bowl another well observed effect. Yellowstone Park should have been a huge natural disaster years ago… it’s a ticking time bomb, but people still live there.
My money was on the Goldbowl thing, but the longer I’ve observed this the less I’m convinced.
The scenario with less supporters in the Park and more VSTs is not the end of the world, asteroid or no;)
Hail Hail
MADMITCH on 8TH SEPTEMBER 2020 12:18 PM
Recycling — BW @ 10.56
Agree CP is now 25 / 30 years behind the times.
The FMcC expansion was good but it was done to a budget and it shows.
Rebuild of the South Stand:
£50mill = for the expansion I have in mind to 67K plus space for 8K in the Attic.
£80mill = if we do it properly with an attic and facilities down to London Road.
£100mill = if fitted out to EPL Gin Palace / Spurs standards.
The big number would include a 500 bed hotel plus fit out the Attic.
My thoughts are do it once / do it big.
Revenues:
£10mill pa — from season tickets / extra tickets / car parking / matchday spend.
£5mill pa — Stadium + museum tours / facilities hire.
£5mill pa — merchandising spend.
£5mill pa — Hotel revenue / 60% occupancy / £50 average RR.
£2mill pa — ticket sales from the Attic / 60K plus tickets per season @ £30’ish.
£?mill pa — other stuff.
Looking at £10mill of a surplus at the very least / £20mill if we work our socks off.
Financing:
£20Mill = Club funds.
£80mill = Bonds @ 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7% pa — based on CL / EuL results. 10% if we win anything.
£10mill = Naming rights / sponsorship / DD?.
£??mill = SG grants / GCC grants.
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This is the type of post I missed when you were gone. I disagree with you on a number of matters but I love how you think deeply about matters such as the above. I don’t know if you have a background in finance or construction and have made a stab at costing the developments or if your figures are estimates ‘off the top of your head’ but I would imagine any sizeable upgrade to the South Stand and it’s environs would be dependent upon us entering the EPL or another league which would generate the level of interest and excitement to fill the increased capacity.
Whatever, the future holds, I enjoy reading posts such as the above.
the govt in Ireland have now set 21 Sep for ‘wet’ pubs to open; as long as no other restrictions override that.
‘wet’ pubs are pubs that don’t serve food and they have been shut since March
Will still mean being served at a table you booked, no more than 6 people, 1m distance and max 1hr 45 mins.
same as restaurants/foodie pubs right now. No restriction on time if 2m distance can be observed. Can’t see this working in cities or large towns but probably put in there for those country pubs with 3 oul fellas sitting alone at their wee table (it’s been a nightmare for those pubs and the people who rely on that social interaction)
Dublin may not be allowed to do this due to rising rates but my county , Kildare, have just come out of extra lockdown so hopefully a proper drink is on the cards soon
Not sure if the closing time of 11.30 is being revised as this has increased the house party scene
We have definitely been more cautious here than Scotland. Extra school buses to avoid crowding etc, working from home promoted etc.
the hard recommendation on working from home lifts next week so i expect to be back in the office. Interesting that Google who have massive offices near my work have pulled out on a lease for 2000 workers in a new build office in the area. This is due to the experience with home working (they will be at home until mid 2021, similar with Indeed, Facebook etc)
Saint Stivs @15.29.
I have suspected that for many years.
As do dozens of posters that I have met face to face. It is so obvious. Kinda funny and sad though. Feel sorry for him or her.
ERNIE LYNCH on 8th September 2020 3:59 pm
Good post!
Big Packy
Nostalgia, all in the past, it will never catch on.
Hail Hail
If Alasdair MacLean is looking in?
Any spare tickets for Ross County v Celtic @ Dingwall? 😜
This place has been Fandabydozy the day por cierto
CADDINGTONCOMMON, hi pal, just memories from this old codger, they cant take the memories away.👍
Just for the record.
Who are JH and FT respectively?
A couple o numpties?
Google lead the huge number of companies that will continue to “work from home”.
It is a game changer for Corporate and Commercial Real Estate.
The amount of postponed or cancelled transactions is large, everywhere.
What is coming across very clearly is there are populations of employees that just hate commuting.
The old men leaders telling them to get back to work to save the economy is never going to be accepted.
I find it funny the Pimlico plumber telling the UK is lazy while in his villa in Marbs.
It wont go back to pre covid levels for full time office employment.
Progressive companies will use it to their advantage.
There is a very low capex(0) way of upgrading all the food outlets in the stadium.
It would provide a range of more modern offerings that we all see around us now
As well as I’m sure the old favourites
wrote to Paul about it some time back
The company would bite our hand off for the volume of customers we give them
WHITEDOGHUNCH on 8TH SEPTEMBER 2020 5:19 PM
“There is a very low capex(0) way of upgrading all the food outlets in the stadium.”
WDH can you expand on that, please, por cierto
Mc Donald’s @ Celtic park
Greggs at Celtic Park would be a winner.