Just days after The Beating of Barca in 2004 the youthful Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell presented teenage sensation, David Marshall, with a new contract, reward for his incredible goalkeeping performances against the Catalans. Having made only a single first team appearance, in a cup game against (then) lower league opponents, David played the second half of the first leg against Ronaldinho & Co, then all of the second leg, without conceding a goal.
It Camp Nou performance was the most remarkable I’ve seen from a keeper. After years looking for a solid performer to make the position his own, it looked like we had a new star.
A year later David had, if anything, regressed. He remained first choice until after the start of season 2005-06 but Artur Boruc, for a while the genuine article, soon replaced him. David was shipped out to Norwich before eventually settling at Cardiff City, where he has built a solid career, but his star never shone as brightly as we expected it to. His Scottish contemporaries, Allan McGregor and Craig Gordon, both overtook him.
It is incredibly hard for a youth player to break into a team like Celtic in a position like goalkeeper, or striker, the pressure to deliver – every time – is so high, we are a whole lot more likely to introduce wingers. The parallels between David Marshall and Tony Watt are remarkable, so far.
From the outside it’s hard to guess what went wrong for David at Celtic. He lost his place at Celtic when he was just 20 and the trajectory of his career was never the same but 20 is still remarkably young for a keeper working at Champions League level. Tony Watt is two years younger than David and he is in the considerably better position of being able to come on as substitute for sections of games, or to drop away for a few weeks, if necessary.
We should expect more fantastic splurges of form from the player but there will be frustrations and dips in form too. He has the skill, speed and strength to make it. With hard work and patience he stands an excellent chance.
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Mea Culpa
Only when they are at Celtic Park.
So you are correct.
……but what about the infamous “Bloo Ordure”, with their sinister associations with the “Oranj Ordure”?
Something stinks, methinks…….
Mea Culpa:
Clear the patio, there is some very bad weather heading this way.
….anyway.
To all those going to the game today – safe there and back, and enjoy!
Oh…and another thing – wrap up well!
…and finally – behave! Ian Bankier will be watching!
HH!!
Madrarua
If they have returned tickets I’m sure he you will get them at the stadium on Tuesday. Good luck m8.
Lift arrived,here we go
HH
Tallybhoy, the gimlet-eyed Bankier sees all the police harassment at Celtic Park as well but chooses to do the Nelson thing!
Good morning friends from a very wet and bleak looking East Kilbride
“Impeach Bawface”
He’s the real culprit…………….
From the BBC 12th, June:
The Scottish government has said it is considering legislation to limit the “huge cost implications” for policing Orange walks.
The marches create “significant issues” for police and politicians, Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill told MSPs.
But he said it was important any legislation did not limit other “innocuous” organisations such as the Boys’ Brigade.
About 300 Orange parades took place last year in Glasgow alone.
Speaking at Holyrood, SNP backbencher Humza Yousaf suggested the cost of policing Glasgow’s Orange walks should not come solely from police budgets.
He asked Mr MacAskill: “With almost 300 Orange parades taking place last year in Glasgow alone, during times of financial restraint, doesn’t the minister agree that perhaps we need to think of measures whereby the cost of keeping the public safe does not fall solely on civic police?”
Mr Yousaf has previously raised concerns about the review of a ban on Orange walks and other processions playing music outside places of worship such as chapels, synagogues and mosques in Glasgow.
‘Right balance’
Answering Mr Yousaf’s question, Mr MacAskill recalled the 1,800 officers deployed to police an Apprentice Boys march in 2007 while Strathclyde Police were dealing with the fallout from the terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport.
Mr MacAskill revealed that the cost of policing such marches and parades in Glasgow was discussed with the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents on 19 June and again with Strathclyde Police Assistant Chief Constable Bernard Higgins, in the context of the jubilee weekend marches.
He said: “These are fundamentally matters of balance. We have to ensure, in terms of the legislation, that the Boys’ Brigade march and other innocuous matters are not caught when we seek to take action against matters that have huge cost implications.
“Fundamentally, they are for local authorities but we have made it quite clear as an administration: while we recognise the right of individuals, even where we disagree with what they are protesting, to take that opportunity we have to take into account a whole variety of matters including the police.”
It is the important to “get the right balance between the right of people to march and demonstrate and the right of communities to be protected and not face significant costs and challenges to their police who have others things to do as well as simply look after the interests and desires of a small minority.”
The Apprentice Boys celebrate of the Siege of Derry in 1688-89 when supporters of the Protestant King William of Orange held out against the forces of Catholic King James II.
The Boys’ Brigade is an interdenominational Christian youth organisation.
Keep that lot in “fool” view…………..
………livin’ breathin’ dinosaurs……….completely out of step with the rest of humanity.
What a difference a day makes…
Going from the recounting a glorious past year to bhoycotting Celtic Park. Something I have never done, even when wanting rid of the old board in the Nineties.
A total turn around for chuck as well. He has went from endorsing SFL reconstruction to playing in Spain within 24 hours.
Today’s game may as well not be happening for all the attention being paid. Brown, Ledley and Hooper are all ‘doubts’. In their absence, I’d go:
Forster
Lustig Wanyama Mulgrew Matthews
Commons Ambrose Kayal Samaras
Watt Miku
Morning all.
Bright at the minute. Just popped in to say that thon Chris MacLaughlin must be in dire fear. He was asked on Radio5 this morning about the Hearts situation. He contrived to suggest to the British public that Hibs fans, like us with thon deid team, will miss their derby if Hearts die. Now, I can’t speak for the Hibees but I would have thought it was glaringly obvious that each and every Celtic supporter is only too happy at the thought of never playing thon deid team ever again.
Good morning Celts.
What’s the news regarding the Green Brigade?
Thanks.
V
There is some suggestions that Celtic have handed over some fans’ personal data to the police. If this is true, then it will have been a big mistake and would place the club in a vulnerable position. If I was advising the GB then it is in the area of data protection that I would focus.
jobo baldie
08:10 on 17 November, 2012
Good morning friends from a very wet and bleak looking East Kilbride
…………
Morning J
Good morning Vmhan
Sent you a text yesterday and hope you’re bearing up mate.
There’s a mass of remembrance this morning in what was my late Mum’s parish. I’ll say a wee prayer for your old man.
Daily Record leading the Sevco charge today. Scotland wants change as the SPL limps along.
Whatever…
Thanks much appreciated Jobo.
Green wells Glory @ 0125
I would also be prepared to contribute to a fund to defend against unreasonable and partial treatment of Celtic supporters.
Terrible news about the Green Brigade but completely understandable. Interesting to see what if any reaction the club have…
good morning cqn
very sad day when celtic supporters feel they have to bhoycott celtic park due to intimidation.
what games do the green brigade intend to not attend ?
would hope that they have a change of plan and decide on maybe a mass walk out first before any bhoycott is started.
this would send out a clear message to the celtic plc that their income will be put in serious trouble if the paying customer will not stand harrassment at celtic park and pay for that privalage.
there is more than 1 way to win this battle by staying smart and pissing the hun cops off into the bargain.
have the cst and csa been made aware of the problem in section 111 ?
have they monitored the section and seen harrassment etc at first hand ?
writing letters to celtic and quoting the number of said pc and their behaviour towards them will build up a record of which cops are doing the harrassment.
also letters from other sections stating their concerns and any harrassment also help.
also needed from the green brigade is more info on the number of arrests in their section and why the level of policing for minor incidents !!!
we the support pay the cops salary through taxes and match day revenue and the less fans at games will impact on their numbers.
all in all do not let the bar stewards stop us supporting CELTIC
our grandprents and parents have been through all this and more
their are more than enough clever bhoys on this site alone who know how to put a case foward that could not be dissmissed.
all hail the green brigade
jam67
..They don’t like it up ’em………………
jungle jam67
ICT game and cup tie against Arbroath. You will be lucky to get 5000 at the second one if a Bhoycott.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
05:31 on 17 November, 2012
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It seems to me that a wrongful arrest should be pursued to its ultimate end – compensation- if only to cause a rethink on the policy.
Enrolling a friendly MSP to ask if the Offensive Behaviour Bill has caused policing costs at matches to rise and if arrests are up or down compared to arrests under the previous law is possibly a slower but more effective long term strategy aligned to pursuing compensation to put a stop to excessive police behaviour*
Did a quick Google and found this on being arrested at a football match.
AT A DEMO/FOOTBALL MATCH
Police can often get the wrong person in the heat of the moment where there are big crowds present, so it is important that you get witnesses to your arrest.
If you are arrested in a crowd, keep calm, and shout out your name so people can know who it is being arrested.
If you witness an arrest, try to write down the name of the arrested person and where they were arrested.
Write down the number of the arresting officer(s).
If you are on a march and the Legal Defence and Monitoring Group are present, pass on this information to them (020 8533 7116 address below).
If you are thrown out of a football ground unfairly without arrest, insist on talking to a senior officer to state your case, or go to the local station to lodge a formal complaint.
If you didn’t get the arresting officers number, ask to be escorted back into the ground to identify him.
It’s not uncommon for the police to quietly let you back in if they know you are serious about making a complaint.
A common trick police employ is to badger you into accepting a caution so that you can catch your last train home. Do not accept this under any circumstances if you have done nothing wrong.
I imagine the GB are looking into what legal rights each individual has when at a game and is advising members how to act if they feel they are being breached.
* on a humorous point I was reminded of this sketch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5dy9URkLFI
Vmhan 08:57:
God Bless Jack Martin’s Soul.
Thanks to him and Maw Martin, we have all come to know a great Bhoy in the Celtic Family.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
“Impeach Bawface”
……..a guid start……………….
asonofdan
09:17 on 17 November, 2012
thanks for that info
if things have got that bad in section 111 then i hope its the ict game that gets the bhoycott
arbroath voted no to newco and have behaved with interigty
jam67
Dogs walked and washed (rolled in deer poo!!).
Breakfast finished, off for a shower.
10am pick-up for Pittodrie to support our team.
COYBIG
HH
Yurcl
The BBC 1 October 2009
Glasgow’s main Orange march in 2008 cost £596,398 to police
The chief constable of Strathclyde Police has said his officers deal with “too many” marches and parades.
Stephen House’s comments came at a meeting of the force’s management body which considered two reports on the social and financial impact of parades.
Strathclyde Police Authority (SPA) heard that more than 1,000 events in the last financial year took up nearly 50,000 police hours at a cost of £1.7m.
The reports also highlighted increased incidents of violence and disorder.
Two reports on marches and parades – one covering police resources and another on violence and disorder – went before the authority.
The paper on resources showed that from 1 April 2008 to 31 March 2009 there were 1,061 marches and parades in the Strathclyde force area.
These required a total of 49,859 police hours at a cost of £1,714,374.
More than a third of this cost – £596,398 – was incurred in policing the main Orange parade through Glasgow on 5 July 2008.
The report also said that between March 2008 and April 2009, Glasgow had more parades involving Protestant Loyal Order and Republican organisations than Belfast, with 247 compared with Belfast’s 217.
A separate report on violence, disorder and antisocial behaviour focuses on Orange parades in Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Ayrshire in the first two weeks of July this year.
It noted an increased number of common, serious and racially motivated assaults, including assaults on police officers as well as rises in weapons possessions, vandalism, breach of the peace and street drinking.
‘Out of balance’
Chief Constable House said the events were stretching police resources, with officers deployed to cover marches instead of dealing with other duties.
He told the meeting: “It is not our role as the police to tell communities how many parades they are to hold.
“That is not our role and it’s not this body’s role but I think it is our job to flag up to you where we feel there is disproportionate use of police time and your budget and that’s what we believe is happening at the moment.
“We believe the hundreds that exist are too many. It’s out of balance. By discussion we believe that we could reach a more reasonable number and a more reasonable settlement for everybody.”
He said the police will only object to a parade or march on safety grounds.
Paul Rooney, SPA convener, said: “The burden that the 1,000 or more marches has on the force resources is unsustainable.
“We are keen to ensure that we uphold people’s freedom of expression, however we have to ensure that every single parade and march is proportionate and reasonable.”
Recent comments from Strathclyde Police and Glasgow City Council over the number of marches and parades has drawn criticism from the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland.
The organisation’s grand master, Ian Wilson, told BBC Radio’s Good Morning Scotland programme its parades were well stewarded and the amount of policing dedicated to the events were out of proportion.
‘Law-abiding’ organisation
He said: “It shocks us that the police tend to police, particularly the Glasgow parade, almost like a military operation.
“I think the statistics give us difficulty, there’s no question about that, we are a law-abiding organisation, we are a police-supporting organisation, and to be honest one incident or one arrest is one too many.
“But at the end of the day I also have some difficulties with the statistics themselves.”
Mr Wilson said that one figure for a 1,775% increase in arrests for public drinking only referred to six incidents.
He said the offer has been there from the Orange Order to sit down and talk about a possible reduction to the number of parades and to carry out debriefs after events, but that Glasgow City Council had been “dragging their heels” and there had been no movement from the police.
The Strathclyde Police Authority said the issue of the strain on its finances comes at a time when the authority is actively working to address a considerable deficit in next year’s budget.
Mr Wilson added: “My message to both the police and the local authorities is – let’s stop the posturing, stop the spin, and some of the dodgy statistics, and let’s get round the table and talk about this.”
How much does it cost the city to police the ‘Green Brigade’?
…….personally I’d prefer that the Brigada Emeralda avoided confrontation with the “Boys in Blue”…….
…theres a very limited window for meaningful success…….
Good morning fellow Celts
Catching up on news that GB have decided to Bhoycott 2 games due to police harassment.
Does anyone know exactly what the police are concerned about. What do they perceive to be the threat – why are they focusing on the GB – have they articulated what they want the GB to start/stop doing?
Spare me the usual ‘ police are all Huns with an agenda’ – that is understood and has always been the case. This serms to have moved to a new level and the police must have a specific concern to justify significant resources/ public money being spent.
I saw a reference to GB ‘ not playing ball…’ What would ‘playing ball’ mean in practice?
Seems to me Celts are on an almighty roll at the moment… Then we have a Bhoycott FFS !!! not a dig at GB …not at all – they clearly feel they need to draw attention to their plight!
What crime have they committed?
Have the police made a statement?
What are the club saying ?
Who can we rely on to demand an explanation from the police?
Does anyone have a concise view?
What’s all this about the GB…? … Think they need to revise their law since the requirement for it has been ‘removed’………
Good luck to the Bhoys today, no more injuries please.
Reading some tweets saying that Celtic buses are being stopped and searched before leaving the Strathclyde area. Two old bhoys booked for not wearing seat belts on a minibus.
This is starting to remind me of Thatchers fascists during the miners strike.
What are the CSA doing exactly ?
We need someone to stand up against this, since the sad death of Paul McBride RIP things have got worse.
KTF
….I don’t think we should turn up for a fight staged by those who oppose us.
We’re better than that…………
Morning Bhoys is it midday for kick off ?
Anyone know what the storm was about on twitter yesterday? To do with @tannadicelad who is Brian Taylor, Political Editor, BBC Scotland.
Seems to have created quite a furore but has deleted his tweets since.
Paul mcbride was one of the architects of this offensive behaviour bill, perhaps he did not expect it to go this far but it seems it has, to me CFC need to have talks with the way games are policed ,is that not hawtrhorns role?
Incidentallty I have written in the past to PL about behaviour in the ground comparing the singing from oldco fans and the treatment of the GB, he did not give me a written response but took the time to print off the stadium regulations on behaviour, make of that what you will.