Jock Stein won his first five League Cups as Celtic manager (no pressure, Ronny) but in the 43 years since we’ve won the trophy only eight times, including yesterday.
There has been a bit of chat that the Treble is a bit easier since Rangers were liquidated, but, if you know your history, you’ll know that’s not really borne out by the facts.
We’ve won three of the last 10 League Cups and lost to Rangers once but the six other defeats in that period have come at the hands of the likes of Morton, St Mirren and Kilmarnock. What’s more, Falkirk, Hearts (twice) and Morton all knocked us out at Celtic Park. We haven’t actually lost an away game in the League Cup for over a decade. 25 of our 35 defeats since Stein’s five-in-a-row have come to teams other than Rangers.
Here is a list of our eventual outcomes in the League Cup, winners or those who eliminated us:
2014-15 Winners
Morton
St Mirren
Kilmarnock
Rangers
Hearts
2008-09 Winners
Hearts
Falkirk
2005-06 Winners
Rangers (November 2004 Celtic’s last away defeat in the League Cup)
Hibs
Rangers
Rangers
2000-01 Winners
1999-00 Winners
Airdrie
1997-98 Winners
Hearts
Raith Rovers
Rangers
Aberdeen
Airdrie
Rangers
Aberdeen
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
Hibs
Dundee United
Rangers
1982-83 Winners
St Mirren
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Rangers
1974-75 Winners
Dundee
Hibs
Partick Thistle
Rangers
At the 40th anniversary of Lisbon I wrote about the 1965-66 until 1969-70 period. Jock Stein won 12 of the 15 domestic trophies available, five Leagues, five League Cups and two Scottish Cups. We also won and lost a European Cup Final, while beating champions from Italy, Portugal France and England.
That we went on to win nine-in-a-row disguised the fact that the real glory era ended in 1970. The last four title winning seasons were not characterised by beating anyone substantial in Europe (notwithstanding the fact that we reached two European Cup semis) and a series of capitulations in League Cup Finals. The downwards trajectory from beating Leeds at Hampden and finishing fifth in the league in 1978 is evident.
Two inferences can be drawn:
Winning trebles is incredibly difficult. One slip, one bad tackle leading to a red card, and you are up against it.
Teams who aspire to genuine historical greatness never switch off.
We have a ‘never switch off’ manager. No more Mortons, Falkirks or Raith Rovers’.
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gerrybhoy
15:35 on 16 March, 2015,
Brilliant , HH
Jude – I noticed that too!
Maybe he’ll be CG’s back up at some point?
Jude
Wouldn’t mind him as back up for Craig Gordon.
Come on F.A.B. and ernie we have just won the league Cup we should be celebrating your both Celtic supporters and should be feeling good not squabbling like 5 year olds.Just accept you have different points of view which you are both entitled to and move on.H.H.
Thought this was beautiful.
A meteor over Loch Ness showing the Irish tricolour on the Loch
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-31904273?SThisFB=&fb_ref=Default&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_weather&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
Árd Macha
Ta Bhoys
Sorry about that link:-(
Where’s the link creator?
Árd Macha
leftclicktic,
Magic….Glasgow is green and white…;)))
F.A.B. Virgil (WATRC)
15:40 on 16 March, 2015
‘Still reaching Ernie. Like I said, if you want to call me anti-semite do it to my face. I will not indulge your twisted game playing on here.’
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You made your comment on here and I’m asking you to explain and justify it on here.
So far you haven’t.
What does that say?
Celtic Football Club@celticfc · 1h 1 hour ago
Assistant manager John Collins spoke to the media at Lennoxtown following yesterday’s @spfl League Cup final success. (MH)
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JC: “We enjoyed the evening but at the same time everyone realises we have a big game on Wednesday.”
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JC: “It was a good victory and the first trophy so it was very important for everybody.”
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JC: “In football, it’s about the next game. When you start thinking about two or three games down the line is when you come unstuck.”
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JC: “Our message is we will take care of the next opponents & that will be Dundee @dundeeunitedfc again, will be another tough game.”
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JC: “They have Ciftci back and he’s an important player for them.”
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JC: “Important thing is we have made progress as the months have went by. We have the first trophy in the cabinet and richly deserved.”
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JC: “We have all been in this game a long time so you get used to the criticism when it comes along.”
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JC: “We just get on with our job and trying to make the players and team better. Ronny been doing a fantastic job.”
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JC on dispute of who would take penalty at Hampden: “Don’t like to see it, but we won’t dwell on it & it won’t happen again, I’m sure.”
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JC: “John will be fine. It’s gone now, history, it’s tomorrow that counts.”
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JC on Craig Gordon: “What he’s achieved has been remarkable, could imagine he’d be emotional picking up trophy with family watching.”
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JC: “Another clean sheet, no mistakes – brilliant – a fairytale story.”
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JC: “Great news for James to be in the Scotland squad, and great for him to come on and score and get penalty.”
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JC: “He’s had a lot of problems with injuries, so fingers crosses he can stay fit. Has electrifying pace that can damage opponents.”
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JC on no call-ups for Stu Armstrong & Gary MS “I am surprised. They have done very well for us, but their time will come.”
D D
Yipp!!0)
Agreed guys, the indifference shown by his fellow team mates as JK lay writhing in agony on the ground was truly gob smacking, couldn’t believe what I was seeing. As I said earlier, that finished it for me and Scotland, don’t wish them any harm, just completely neutral about them.
I think Broony might chuck Scotland after the Euro campaign,a lot of past injuries take their toll eventually.
Ernie give it a rest and enjoy the day. HH
F.A.B. Virgil.
Have a good one…the treble is on HH
squire
completed
nae bother H H
Joe Filippis Haircut
15:47 on
16 March, 2015
Come on F.A.B. and ernie we have just won the league Cup we should be celebrating your both Celtic supporters and should be feeling good not squabbling like 5 year olds.Just accept you have different points of view which you are both entitled to and move on.H.H.
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Joe
I have been sloberating and was in a good mood this morning until Ernie Lynch decided to be a Jim Goodwin with me.
Howeva, I am still in a good mood and looking forward to Wednesday. Better surface and a bit more clicking in the team should see us safely through.
HH
I swear to God I didn’t make this up – a link to the attached book dropped into my work e-mail account a little earlier :))
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zombie-Loyalists-Using-Service-Create/dp/1137279664/
lct
Meant to tell you this morning. Josh’s team play sevco in the Glasgow Cup final.. Date still to be announced. Its at ibroke
F.A,B. Wednesday is a big game for us but we should get a narrow win at home but Joe Hanson will be a big miss. H.H.
Thought Forrest was going to be the key to the game yesterday morning. Seen signs of improvement in his performance against Untied granted it was against 9 men.Thought when he came on he added pace into or attack that was missing yesterday.This bhoy has talent if he stays fit and works on his off the ball contribution he maybe make it after all.
f.a.b. virgil (watrc)
Some folk are never happy!
Back to work tomorrow…..hunskelping has become a habit of late :))
squire danaher
15:29 on
16 March, 2015
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Survey completed,good luck.
ernie lynch
15:51 on
You made your comment on here and I’m asking you to explain and justify it on here.
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Really? Who appointed you as CQN FOCUS Commander??
Report to my room on Wednesday. In the meantime, suck a lemon….. it’ll sweeten you up.
Great result yesterday, biggest penalty shout for me was lee griffiths being cleaned out. Water under the bridge, next game, as ever, is the most important of the season.
Really brilliant that Ed has come out and stated – no pact with Nationalists – topped off what has been a great weekend.
JFH
Agree. Wonder if he’ll re-shape or slot in young Henderson. It’s last chance saloon for them. If Jackie is a manager then he’ll avoid the kicking game because that’s for those who know they’ve lost. They still need to believe they can win and find a strategy to do that. I thought their tactic of pace behind out CBs was quite effective so we need to shut that off.
Hope all the part-timers make an appearance and we have a good crowd.
HH
Dundee Utd after match comments are a disgrace, from their whinging manager to muppets Dillon, McGowan and the horrible hun Paton
Paton is a horrible character.
I wonder if he gets dogs abuse from the opposition fans for opting to play for Northern Ireland.
His antics in the first few minutes had Nir Bitton looking at the referee in amazement after the eejit threw himself in the air when nobody even made contact.
As for the two footed lunge on Efe passed without comment.
bawsman
16:07 on 16 March, 2015
Really brilliant that Ed has come out and stated – no pact with Nationalists – topped off what has been a great weekend.
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From what I have read, he has ruled out a coalition.
There is still a lot of wiggle room.
!!Bada Bing!!
15:35 on 16 March, 2015
Steven Pressley was beside JK when he was assaulted.Reaction -Nil
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Wasn’t it Pressley his Celtic team mate at the time who sold him the hospital pass.
The lack of reaction from the Scottish team was something that I remember and it is also a fact that he was probably too honest for his own good in going for the ball when a coward would have shirked it in a nothing game.
Good to see how closely involved with the squad/Ronny the big man is now. His Celtic family credentials mean that he knows what we are about and who knows he might manage the bhoys one day.
H.H.
F.A.B We may well have Lustig and Mulgrew back and I think our team selection will be interesting as you say a big crowd would also be good. H.H.
F.A.B. Virgil (WATRC)
16:06 on 16 March, 2015
If someone makes an offensive comment on here other posters have the right to hold them to account.
I appreciate why you might not like that.
Big nan
Don’t think pressley was a Celtic player in 2004, and therefore not a teammate of J Kennedy
I think he was a WGS signing around 2006-7 ??
Many thanks to the kind souls who have undertaken the bhoy’s survey.
Re JK…
TBH at the time, in real time, I didn’t see anything other than a routine but far too rough and totally unnecessary challenge. I was quite close to the incident. (Well as close to as Hampden allows).
The idea that JKs team mates were disinterested because he was from Celtic is nonsense. They like me had no idea how bad a situation it was.
HH
Ernie who has won the Scottish League Cup the most times? H H Hebcelt
justafan
Nowhere in my post did I suggest JK’s Scottish teammates were disinterested because he was a Celtic player.
Mibbe they just didny like him!
ffs!
big nan-think Pressley was with Hearts maybe? A player i wish had never played for us to be honest.
Anyone got a link to that tackle please?
doc, oldtim and richie:
Richie got doc’s ticket. OldTim got somebody’s ticket but they wish to remain anonymous.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!