Resolutions to be voted on at the 30 April meeting are proposals from the Scottish Premier League executive (Neil Doncaster). They have nothing to do with the Gang of 10 nor are they a Duff and Phelps/Rangers conspiracy. The resolutions are not set in tablets of stone and have no authority in their own right. The League has form in voting down executive resolutions, in particular overthrowing plans for a 10 team league last year, so, in theory, the votes could go for or against.
Neil Doncaster, being as thorough as he is, has almost certainly shared his plan with the man along the corridor at Hamden, SFA chief exec, Stewart Regan. He is also likely to have taken guidance from the Uefa executive, specifically CEO David Taylor, formerly of this parish. It would be unnecessarily lax to leave legislative loose ends before embarking on such a radical plan, so forget about any intervention by the SFA (cough) or Uefa.
Putting preconceived notions aside (if I can), the resolutions are flawed.
Asking for 8 clubs to vote for a Newco to be allowed into the league, but requiring 11 to vote for a financial penalty to be imposed for an Insolvency Transfer, is beyond ridiculous. The former provision – the gift of continuity to a defaulter – is easy to achieve. The latter – the punishment for defaulting – is unnecessarily difficult. Duff and Phelps will need the support of only one club – let’s say Dunfermline, who are brogue-to-brogue with them anyway and due to relegation will not be affected by the financial penalty, will vote with them. Why would Doncaster put such a high bar on setting financial penalties?
Arbitrary voting thresholds smack of gerrymandering. Can anyone explain this in any other way?
There will now be a period of debate between clubs; Celtic will oppose any provision for a Newco to enter the league. Duff and Phelps will be in the opposite corner. You can expect to hear wailing and gnashing from Rangers (IA) along the same ridiculous lines they have used ahead of the SFA hearings into the behaviour of the club in advance of, and after, Craig Whyte’s purchase of the club. On that occasion, Duff and Phelps argued that the actions of Rangers’ new owner, or the failure of the old board to conduct their business correctly, should not lead to a penalty on the club.
It doesn’t matter how lax or severe the proposed penalties, Duff and Phelps will oppose them. Anything lessening of the penalty is worth money to the proposed new buyers of Rangers, so let’s view everything Duff and Phelps say in pound notes.
Rangers have unpaid bills potentially running up to £134mm that’s medicine, operations, road repairs and Help for Heroes. Allowing them to ditch their history and start afresh, where owners profit by securing a floating charge over the stadium, where fans can continue to be provided with a team in the league, creates an unprecedented moral hazard. It rewards irresponsibility and would create a queue of clubs ready to do the same.
And on the point of ditching their history… I openly mock anyone who uses phrases like Hybrid Liquidation. You don’t get Hybrid Liquidation, Partial Liquidation or Liquidation Lite. You cannot buy or sell history, as Duff and Phelps tried (and failed, I think) to convince Rangers fans. Liquidation would mean Rangers Football Club, established in 1873 (or 1872 as they now claim), incorporated in 1899, is finished.
Just pay your bills and do us all a favour.
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I’ll vote for it. With my feet. I’ll be voting to maintain my self respect. What anyone else does with their money is their business.
che
It’s not CT I want to spend more time with………..honey!
I will renew my season ticket for next season, why i am a Celtic supporter first and last, why should Celtic a club run with integrity suffer by actions of their own fans? insanity
I fully expect us to take our rightful and deserved place in the SPL, it is madness to suggest Celtic to play in the SFL 3rd division
The greatest European cup win ever is Celtic FC in 1967, no financial doping with sky sports money, or EUFA skewing TV money to the richest clubs from the big 5 countries, life is not fair eh, it never has been a level playing field, no dodgy south Americans with Portuguese or Spanish passports cheating the immigration rules, no illegally tapped players tapped up with promises of riches in our team, just 11 players from a 30 mile radius with a footballing genius as manager, the greatest and most honourable win ever, bar none.
I have boycotted away grounds the last three seasons, my personal decision not to finance those who have failed to deal with the Murray cheating, the SFA is made up of the clubs, those clubs who you give your money to. I will continue to boycott SFA games and away grounds.
ernie lynch on 11 April, 2012 at 21:17 said:
Are people suggesting a boycott in perpetuity?
Is that how intellectually incoherent this site has become?
You’re doing your Fud thing again …… We’re talking about a Bhoycott to get our message over …….. For justice / integrity of sport
calabam,
you just agreed with me :oD)))))
wonkyradar on 11 April, 2012 at 21:37 said:
Why dont we just do a drive by insult?
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:39 said:
did you bhoycott the Killie game???
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:39 said:
”I will renew my season ticket for next season, why i am a Celtic supporter first and last, why should Celtic a club run with integrity suffer by actions of their own fans? insanity”
Because
if
the
Celtic
Board
wanted
to
stop
this
they
could.
Any bhoycott of away games is futile. Even it was 100% supported (and it never would be) and no Celtic supporter went to games for 3 seasons the money the other clubs would lose is a drop in the ocean compared to the TV money they get.
To hit them hardest we need to scupper the Sky/ESPN TV deal. Our board should be talking to Sky/ESPN privately and telling them we will not sign up to new deal and will not co-operate with the TV companies if these proposals are accepted.
Do that and the current deal on the table, but yet to be signed, would be removed immediately.
FourGreenFields on 11 April, 2012 at 21:15 said:
We need to establish exactly who thought up these proposed new regulations , on who’s behalf they have been presented and when they were agreed.
I stopped going to away games several years ago and stopped going to iPox in particular long before that , so I’m not going to preach to our magnificent away support what to do . I believe they will do the best thing for Celtic when needed , just like the rest of us who love our great club.
I will still contribute my season ticket money to the club and more if I can afford it , even if we are not playing in this corrupt league. I would rather watch Celtic play kick abouts on Glasgow Green than be a part of a rigged system.
This must be our line in the sand , we need to establish our best course of action and tell people this is what we will do , if these proposals are implemented.
If it means all shareholders of Celtic threatening to take court action to prevent , what amounts to a pardon for the guilty and life sentence to innocent , then that is what we should do .
The support need guidance on this from the Club and others , whether in public or behind the scenes . I for one don’t want to look back in years to come and when asked what I did to defend our club in its hour of need , have to say I did nothing.
Sorry for the long post but I’m bloody raging ( can’t say how I really feel , I’d get banned for foul and abusive language )
The time has come for the worldwide Celtic Family to stand up and be counted.
Hail Hail
Neil simpson benefit match
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67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice will always prevail on 11 April, 2012 at
And how do you know when you’ve got your message over?
Could you not just make a banner?
HT
Dont drag me into your love in.
CT will get jealous.
hamiltontim on 11 April, 2012 at 21:33:
Forwarding planning, now there’s a concept. I totally agree a strategic plan is a must and has to include a coordinated approach.
I love going to away games as I know you do but the day is coming when I can see the day I will hang up my scarf where away games concerned. However, in order for me to do this it has to be coordinated.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
FT Wigan 1-0 Man U
Mmmmm
calabam on 11 April, 2012 at 21:40 said:
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:39 said:
did you bhoycott the Killie game???
YES
Paul67
Whilst you have every right to be cynical of the motives of the three men you mention, I would not put the same weight as you do on dismissing the roles of UEFA or the SFA.
When something so wrong as is being floated that contradicts UEFA values and Platini statements, then allowing it to pass on the nod of one individual puts UEFA intetegrity at risk, and given what Platini has said, his personal integrity is on the line.
UEFA HAS to make a stand against rampant commercialism for the simple reason that if they do not it will engulf them. They will no longer serve any purpose. Football needs checks and balances and that is a UEFA/SFA role thatthey cannot afford to abandon.
Now there is an argument that UEFA being engulfed might not be a bad thing, no more football imposed boundaries that constrain Celtic to our geographic prison, but if I were Celtic I would be making this very point to UEFA. What exactly are they for?
Let UEFA see it is in their self interests to see that the SFA govern and uphold the same integrity values as the umbrella organisation.
Self interest, it gets everybody every time.
Newco will be an abomination upon the earth!
Let those who have ears understand!
hamiltontim
What do they do with them?
ernie lynch on 11 April, 2012 at 21:40 said:
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:39 said:
Ernie what could our club do ?
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:43 said:
you missed yourself HAHAHAHA
ernie lynch on 11 April, 2012 at 21:40 said:
Ernie i appreciate in your mind you believe that Celtic can stop this if they resign from the SPL
I dont
Kayal33 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:41 said:
I like that.
On the same page as the Rangers article on the BBC website is an article on Pompey
-A report published by administrators PKF has revealed that Portsmouth owe £58m, £20m more than when the club came out of administration in October 2010.
Of that, £38m is owed for the purchase of the club from the previous administrators, UHY Hacker Young.
A further £10.5m investment made by Vladimir Antonov’s Convers Sports Initiatives (CSI) remains outstanding.
Players are due £3.5m in wages and bonuses for the last two seasons, while £2.3m is owed to Revenue and Customs.
Additionaly, £3.7m is owed for general trade.
The report also shows that they have so far spent 1,652 hours dealing with the administration, at a cost of £525,000, which they have not yet been paid.
Trevor Birch, chief administrator at PKF, stated earlier on Wednesday that he had received no firm offers to buy the club, and that liquidation was still a real possibility.
What a different world they live in and 500,000 spent on admin.
After this potential scandal, do any of us have faith in the SPL to carry out a fair an impartial investigation into the dual contracts issue? No? Thought not.
ernie
You and I have been here before when you claimed that I would be a ‘joke’ supporter supporting a ‘joke’ club if I continued to watch Celtic if a newco were permitted entry into the SPL.
You claim that CFC could stop this. In your opinion, without condescension, how exactly could we do this?
theweegreenman, indeed.
eirecamper, yes, I was v pleased to hear that.
row z, no working committees on this one.
Gerry, Doncaster can propose anything he wants. It is up to the clubs to decide. They may well have asked him for proposals.
hamiltontim, not needed, thanks.
roy croppie, well said. I think I’ll use the same sign off.
Glorious balance, hope so.
Stringer Bell, a fair number of Rangers fans I speak to are not upset about the prospect of the Third Division.
!!Bada Bing!!, didn’t see it.
Auldheid, yes, well said.
Navanbhoy, I know, I know. Just shows you.
BIG-CUP-WINNERS, agree.
ernie lynch, remember our Cognitive Dissonance days? If Celtic vote against, Celtic vote against. Accept it. Perhaps we should ask the board to fix the damp climate in the Parkhead area.
Celtic is not the enemy here. Not mine, anyway.
Pay your taxes!
Auld Neil
Your final line is brilliant mate
Self interest of thems caused this
Self interest of others is potentially forcing morally corrupt change
Self interest of uefa and platini…..now that could be an ace card to play
Paul67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:47 said:
yer right.
pay yer taxes
calabam on 11 April, 2012 at 21:45 said:
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:43 said:
you missed yourself HAHAHAHA
Mr Johnston the Chairman of Kilmarnock laughed as he took your money and will laugh as he shafts our club when he votes on the 30th April.
Hail Hail Paul67 – you have put my mind at rest a wee bit. Nice job BTW!
My earlier knee-jerk reaction was that it was a done deal. But Doncaster did this with the help of darker forces and he has to be pushed/coerced into being `open’ about the proposals themselves, the contributors and the timing of the announcement itself.
Why go public with this now? Where is the public interest?
Another question. At a time when the SPL should be investigating – where is that at now – the double contracts, it seems that all that time between the announcement itself of an investigation and now, they have been working on these proposals in the interest of one club only. The accused! So the investigation was a smokescreen then?
Looks like we (Celtic) have 19 days to let everyone know the consequences of following this course of action will be. Time for forces to unite!!!
HH
Aow
Shame on BontyBhoy for his betrayal of Shaun earlier. Great goal – the bhoy is sheer class. Pleased for him and for Martinez, one of the good guys who’s had more than his fair share of honest mistakes to put up with.
(Agent up_over_goal)
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:50 said:
you still missed yourself.
neveralone on 11 April, 2012 at 21:44 said:
They are sold to those considered ‘investors’, that’s those who pay a certain amount for their season tickets and others.
Lennybhoy
Agreed it won’t work otherwise.
ernielych …… You are always anxious to take every opportunity to criticise our Board, who have been very professional in the face of hunbelievable bias and outright bigotry………. Did you like WGS ? …… Our board are handling all this very well
calabam on 11 April, 2012 at 21:51 said:
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 21:50 said:
you still missed yourself.
I had my principles, im happy with my decision especially with todays developments, you can continue to gloat against a fellow celtic supporter, what does that say about you
Paul67
Great articles by the way.
Whilst the fact that Rangers have won the league on 7 occasions since 1999, bought with players they illegally registered and couldnt afford to pay legitimately or ilegitimately has been discussed;
Mention has also been given to the list of creditors (help our heros still makes me laugh) due to be affected.
Very little mention has been given to the circa +£70m they effectively pick pocketed from Celtic in the process, by gaining the most beneficial Champions League place (granted there have been years within that 2 clubs had the chance to qualify – however the 2nd club has had rankings and seedings weighted heavily against them qualifying).
That is a shocking amount of money considering annual turn overs for both clubs.