“Giant punishments” on Rangers were illusory, you were punished instead

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Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade.  He said:

“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”

There has been no European ban.  Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs.  They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.

The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment.  It changed nothing.  Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so.  They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.

As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition.  Pointless.

Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”.  Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.

Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats.  How do you measure that?  Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.

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    If this is true that the spl & sfl to merg just to accommodate them,(whatever they are) then surley uefa have to step in,The bent organization trying to seem to right its self afer aiding and abetting a corrupt shower from govan beggars belief.Maybe mr ogalvie can see over the changes.

  3. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice HAS prevailed on

    Tomorrow morning’s Scotland on Sunday for more on SPL decision, ESPN, Sky…

     

     

    Rangers liquidation: SPL judgement day for clubs

     

     

    Rangers may return to SFL grounds on a regular basis next season. Picture: SNS

     

    By ANDREW SMITH

     

    Published on Sunday 17 June 2012 00:00

     

     

    FOOTBALL in this country is facing a watershed moment. On the line when top-flight clubs vote on whether to accept newco Rangers into the Scottish Premier League are their own futures as much as the future of the Ibrox club.

     

     

    The tensions they must wrestle with can be percolated down to right versus might, fairness versus finance and supporters versus broadcasters.

     

     

    Outside of SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster, no-one, and that includes the club’s manager Ally McCoist, has sought to make a moral argument for a post-liquidation Rangers continuing as before in the top flight. Required to start again as a new company because of a whacking, unpaid debt to the public purse, most acknowledge the just settlement for the club would be to start again in the bottom tier of the Scottish Football League. Only a monetary argument has been forwarded for the new Rangers acquiring the SPL share of the old Rangers.

     

     

    News broke yesterday that the Scottish Football Association is prepared to intervene to broker a merger between SPL and SFL which would appear to offer Rangers a lifeline. The Ibrox club would probably be demoted just one division in the sort of ham-fisted compromise which will enrage many fans and one or two chairmen.

     

     

    Reports last week painted a bleak picture of life in the top flight without the Ibrox club. They spoke of diminishing media and commercial values so severe that they would threaten the very existence of some clubs.

     

     

     

    In the face of such intense pressure, any resistance to Rangers, who need to be backed by seven other clubs for the share transfer to go ahead, was expected to crumble. It may yet, but as it stands the majority of club chairmen appear prepared to contemplate at least one season without the Govan side when they get together to vote in just over a fortnight. They do so through fearing that the alternative could be a lifetime without their bedrock supports. And private calculations by these clubs have given them reason to conclude that, while Rangers being asked to apply to the SFL would initially make for seriously wintery trade conditions in the top flight, the move would not precipitate the nuclear winter suggested by the naysayers.

     

     

    The outright fury and “them or us” ultimatum directed from the rank and file over the prospect of their clubs granting SPL access to a newco is presently holding sway for the kingmakers of the SPL. Season ticket sales have largely dried up as supporters demand that their clubs uphold a principle, as they see it, before they continue to endorse them financially. The absence of contrition from those in the Rangers camp over bringing the Scottish game into disrepute and the fact they took the SFA to the civil courts has drained sympathy utterly.

     

     

    “If the vote was tomorrow Rangers would not be in the SPL next season and I believe up to eight clubs would vote against them,” one SPL chairman told Scotland on Sunday on condition of anonymity. “That figure could certainly change the more the scaremongering carries on in the lead-up to a vote. However, I have never known an issue to unify so many fans and so many clubs. Those of us running clubs have to remember we are the custodians of Scottish football and integrity must come first. We can’t go for short-term fixes that put TV deals before the fans. Any decision that underestimates the strength of feeling among supporters could cause a massive long-term problem for the game. And I don’t think many chairman are about to underestimate the importance of being as one with their fans.”

     

     

    In recent days it has been speculated that up to £20m from broadcasting and sponsorships could be lost by the SPL teams were Rangers not in the top flight. Factored into that reduction is a withdrawal by both broadcasters Sky and ESPN. A new, as yet unsigned, £16m-a-year agreement covering five seasons scheduled to start in August is on the table but Sky has claimed privately that it would not bear a three-year absence of Old Firm games. Yet, it has emerged that, even if Rangers were not an SPL club next season, there would still be a television deal. Unlike Sky, it is understood ESPN’s current contract stands for next year irrespective of which teams play in the SPL. ESPN’s deal is believed to be worth £4.5m a year, around a third of what is paid by Sky.

     

     

    It would appear inconceivable that Sky would not match ESPN’s commitment, at least for a season. A £4.5m outlay is pin money for the broadcaster, who last week agreed a £2.228 billion package for English rights. That mind-boggling deal means the cost of one solitary game in the Premier League down south, such as Reading against Southampton, is equivalent to £6.5m. Or, put another way, little under what Sky has been paying for their entire 30-game package up here in recent years. Of course, Sky will be content to present the worst-case scenario for the Scottish game so that SPL clubs might be “nudged” into a course of action that will deliver them the best return for their investment in Old Firm matches. That makes good business sense. However, with schedules to fill, so does spending a paltry £4.5m on screening even a Rangers-bereft Scottish top flight. Moreover, with ESPN losing out to BT for their two EPL packages, they could be willing to take up that slack for the SPL were Sky to pull out entirely. A reduced £9m television deal for next season chimes in with the figures that this newspaper recently presented in projections as to what could be lost by clubs other than Celtic in the event of there being no Rangers in the SPL next season. We calculated the average loss would be £375,000. These figures appear in line with those the clubs have been working through in private conversation.

     

     

    “Most chairman have been talking among ourselves regularly and the figures we have been coming up with have not matched the doomsday numbers that we have seen presented in the press,” said the SPL chairman. “We have all agreed that one or two teams would really struggle for one season, but that would be one season only. There is constant turnover in player contracts and it would simply be a case of readjusting our budgets accordingly after a painful first year. We can’t go for short-term fixes and we are wary of a perception that Sky can hold Scottish football to ransom. Already we have heard of supporters reacting to that appearing the case by cancelling their subscriptions and moving to other platforms. Many of us do not see the TV deal as the fundamental issue some seek to portray it.”

     

     

    Yet consensus on this issue, as with every other in the Rangers saga, does not exist. Doncaster, for instance, is said to be confident he has “got the numbers” for Ibrox to be hosting SPL football next season. And another club chairman, who also asked not to be named, maintains Scottish clubs taking a leap in the dark for the sake of sporting integrity and shoring up their supporter base could leave them with the gloomiest of prospects. For all the talk of an eight-strong “no” vote, the only rock-solids among the Rangers refusniks are understood to be Celtic, Hibernian and Aberdeen. “It is all right for those three clubs,” said the second chairman. “They have big enough financial backers that they can bear the loss of millions for the three seasons Rangers wouldn’t be in the SPL. It isn’t the same for other clubs. You have to feel for such as Stephen Thompson at Dundee United, or Derek Weir at Motherwell. They are in a horrible predicament. Both are lifelong supporters of their clubs but their financial models are predicated on the central revenues we have guaranteed from broadcasting rights. The Thompson family have put their personal fortune into United. Yet, if Stephen signs for an SPL without Rangers, he could be signing for administration and therefore signing a death warrant where his family’s control is concerned. The margins are so small and the sums involved so significant. I’m not convinced certain clubs would be able to survive if the status quo was disrupted. I have spoken to sources at Sky who have said they would walk away if Rangers were in the Third Division. Equally, now ESPN have lost the rights to the Barclays Premier League they could close their channel in the UK. They have a break clause in their deal with us for next summer, when their English agreement will end.”

     

     

    Yesterday’s news that clubs could look at rebranding the First Division as an SPL 2 and seek to demote Rangers to the lower tier of a two-league structure to keep Sky on board does not please everyone.

     

     

    “How would that serve sporting integrity, you have to ask?” the second chairman states. “You can’t be half pregnant. You surely either accept that the new Rangers can be an SPL club or accept they must start again in the senior game?”

     

     

    The hearts-and-minds battle over which scenario to vote for has yet to be won. Right now, though, for a newco Rangers the struggle appears more likely to be lost.

     

     

    HOW YOUR TEAM WILL VOTE

     

     

    ABERDEEN

     

     

    The Dons have been bounced into the voting-against-accepting-a-newco-Rangers-into-the-SPL camp by a support implacably opposed to them taking this course. After a poll by the club’s Trust revealed 97 per cent were against the move, Pittodrie chief executive Duncan Fraser maintained their “views and feelings” would be “taken into account” and that the “integrity of football…must be central to any decision.” One of three clubs now considered to hold a settled position.

     

     

    CELTIC

     

     

    The Scottish champions have no option but to register a “no” vote. They must serve natural justice as their support demands of them as to do otherwise would precipitate a collapse of their season ticket numbers. Yet, if they were to help bring about a hiatus in the top flight rivalry with their ancient adversaries, it would force them to take a thumping financial hit running to millions more than any other club as the other cost of that would be the loss of the veto afforded by them twinning with Rangers to sustain the 11-1 voting structure.

     

     

    DUNDEE UNITED

     

     

    The tone of chairman Stephen Thompson’s language has noticeably changed in recent days. Last week, he made much of having to recognise, above all, the feelings of his fanbase, which is hostile to re-admission of the reconstituted Ibrox club. Talk of a complete Sky withdrawal has resulted in him now giving voice to a need to recognise the importance of television money. Without it, he said, “some clubs would face insolvency”, adding: “The smaller the club the greater the need for TV money, so it’s important for us.” Important enough for Thompson, with heavy heart, perhaps to try to sell his support the club’s endorsement of SPL status, but with stiff sanctions attached, for Rangers 2012.

     

     

    HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN

     

     

    A club that toiled to pay its players’ wages on time last season is hardly likely to be wowed at the prospect of any reduction in its revenues. Especially when they are still seeking £800,000 from Rangers for the Lee Wallace transfer. However, it would go against everything that Vladimir Romanov has previously preached if he were to vote in one of the Glasgow “mafia” after they have been shown to have used tax dodges to sustain their dominance, and that could hold the key in the final analysis for the Tynecastle club.

     

     

    HIBERNIAN

     

     

    Chairman Rod Petrie’s “sporting integrity cannot be obtained for any price” remains the soundbite that absolutely nails the Leith club to a position of not accepting a newco Rangers. In most projections, a prudently run Hibs would not be one of the major losers if forced to redraw budgets to compensate for the fiscal reductions inherent in losing the Ibrox club, while the unstinting backing of Tom Farmer would allow them to cover any shortfall in the immediate term anyway.

     

     

    INVERNESS

     

     

    Chairman Kenny Cameron took umbrage to suggestions earlier in the week that they had made up their minds to back a newco application from Rangers because they could not afford the drastic drop-off in revenues predicted by some if that were not approved. “Any speculation is purely that and we find it strange that some seem to know how ICTFC would vote under certain circumstances – they must have a crystal ball,” he said. Must be considered one of the clubs whose vote remains up for grabs.

     

     

    KILMARNOCK

     

     

    Chairman Michael Johnston is a man alone among his SPL cohorts in making it plain that there must be a Rangers in the Scottish top flight and that commercial considerations must trump sporting integrity. He has further stated that the new Rangers must not start next season with any points or financial penalties – these believed to be a possible trade-off for entry for some clubs – in having already been punished enough.

     

     

    MOTHERWELL

     

     

    The Fir Park club are understood to be seeking assurances over the broadcasting rights before arriving at any decision on a new Rangers. Their fan ownership model makes them more beholden to the mood of their masses, which has appeared insurrectionist if they do not say “no to a newco”. Another club whose position may be considered to be in a state of flux.

     

     

    ROSS COUNTRY

     

     

    The newly promoted Highland side will increase revenues next season whether or not they have Rangers to play in their first tilt in the top flight. Chairman Roy MacGregor said he has taken a “calculated risk” on his budget that is not dependent on income that could be attached to the presence of an Ibrox club in the top flight. MacGregor’s largesse is what County count on. The fact he has said as the “new kid” he will listen to others could make for the likelihood that he serves sporting intergity if it is the case for doing so that is made most passionately by his peers.

     

     

    ST JOHNSTONE

     

     

    The one Scottish top-flight club with cash in the bank, they could survive any downturn in the economic viability. As chairman Steven Brown has been quick to point out, the Perth side don’t need a Rangers because they spent many seasons in the First Division balancing their books without them. Yet with Brown also describing the potential loss of the Ibrox club top the top flight as a “disaster” it is thought he is one of those who is likely to be swayed were swingeing tarriffs attached to SPL entry for a newco.

     

     

    ST MIRREN

     

     

    His fuliminating “the law is an ass” response to Rangers’ challenge in the Court of Session to the sanctions imposed on them by the SFA judicial panel made the Paisley club’s chairman Stewart Gilmour the most outspoken critic of what he saw as the Ibrox club’s reckless disregard of football’s jurisdiction. That is believed to have hardened his attitude towards a newco Rangers. And even though he is in the process of selling the club on to a local fan body, with the vote set to come before the £1.5m buy-out earmarked for 4 July, it is thought a “no” vote would not go against the thinking of the club’s hardcore and future owners.

     

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  4. When you have a cancer growing in your body, radical surgery to remove it permanently is usually one of the first steps taken.

     

    You then follow it up with treatment to ensure it never starts to grow again.

     

    RFC are a cancer in Scottish society.

     

    An ugly cancer that needs radical surgery.

     

    RTC, CQN & HMRC have done a great job in removing the cancerous growth.

     

    Sadly, like most cancers, if you allow it to regrow it will return with greater vigour than before. So long as there is an RFC in any manifestation, the cancer will still be there. I fear it will return, bigger and uglier than ever before.

     

    Like that malignant disease, it will continue to grow until it kills the body it is growing in.

     

    Scottish football will die unless this cancer is permanently excised.

  5. Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. C’mon Wee Oscar. on 17 June, 2012 at 00:59 said:,

     

     

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    I take it you’ve still got the AMcG Tin Hat on:-))

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    SANDMAN’S LATE NIGHT COMEDY SPECIAL

     

     

    We’ll get to it in a mo…But first:

     

     

    Big Sammi, I salute you.

     

     

    Edit of the night on the BBC – after final whistle from close-up Sammi on pitch hands behind head, look of delighted bewilderment at their achievement STRAIGHT to the Little Genital, slapped fizzog, arms folded across his EBT-enhanced belly. Genius.

     

     

    If this year hadn’t been awesome enough to be a Tim, now Sammi goes and pumps out the Little Genital with a bunch of FollowFollow huns having slapped a load of cash on a Russia minus one goal’ handicap bet.

     

     

    So in the interests of comedic gloating and for the benefit of late-night Tims and foreign it’s-still-daylight-where-we-are-cobber Tims some FollowFollow highlights as the Greece-Russia game progressed;

     

     

    It all started out so promising for them:

     

     

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    Anybody think the Russkies will win by 2 goals?

     

     

    I can get 21/10 on Russia minus a goal. I haven`t really been watching much so don`t know how good they are.

     

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    I think that`s is a VERY good bet. Only cos I read on here the other day how pish Greece were though.

     

     

    Just looked at the table and a draw is enough for the Russians.

     

     

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    I think that`s is a VERY good bet. Only cos I read on here the other day how pish Greece were though.

     

    only got 2/1 on bet365

     

     

    still good price i think

     

     

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    Oh, dear, things start to go awry and the Greeks score. How quickly the Huns turn on their own. Not like them…

     

     

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    ****ig russian bastards

     

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    Jammy plate smashing bastards

     

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    You cossack bastards. Get wired in and win this game.

     

     

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    40 years ago they’d be on their way to the f*cking gulags!!

     

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    P1ss poor Greek team who will get raped by a decent team Russia flattered to deceive again… Advocaat’s last game in charge.

     

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    Well just shows what a shoite tournament this is. that a shoite team with a really really really shoite striker get through to the next round Jessie wept

     

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    This will ruin the tournament.

     

     

    The greeks are slimy and scummy. They are disease ridden.

     

     

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    Hope Greece’s economy continues to go down the shitter.

     

     

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    Dirty dirty cheating scumbag Greeks

     

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    So onwards to probalby the Germans for Sammi. how beautiful a thing it would be to see him sort out some original Huns…

  7. Liquidation Party in Larkhall is over…

     

     

    plenty of lanterns made their way into the sky tonight with plenty of good wishes to those who are not here to celebrate…

     

    having a guinness tomorrow with my mate, he will be at Motherwell cemetry with his father and I will lift a guinness at the same time in his honour…

     

     

    Hugh Reynolds RIP…Eddie Reynolds RIP..

     

     

    My aunt Catherine was buried today in Detroit RIP…

  8. By the time the gutless,corrupt and wholly compromised sfa actually get around to actually doing something about the only club they really give a ****

     

    about, we’ll all be dead and gone.

  9. blantyretim on 17 June, 2012 at 01:32 said:

     

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    Comiserations.

     

    I’m sorry my last post landed directly after yours.

     

    I feel really stupid,and just a wee bit sick.

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    Sandman Is Neil Lennon on 17 June, 2012 at 01:31 said:

     

     

    Great stuff,mate.

     

    Took me a wee while to figure you were speaking about Advocaat.

     

    ;-)

     

    Sammi of Summa will be very happy,which is a good thing.

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    timgreen on 16 June, 2012 at 22:00 said:

     

     

    Ooh aah Samaras!

     

    No ooh ahh Paul MCGrath!

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    Russia are a superior team to Greece. Today Greece had only 38% possession. On average even less in the second half. The Greek player who had most possession in the 2nd half was Samaras on his own up front and holding or wasting. Celtic are lucky to have him. Apart from the Goal post error for Lustig against Ukraine I thought he played well against England too.

  13. Margaret McGill on

    Poland remind me of Ireland today and of a club closer to home when meeting superior fitter and smarter European competition. Great team spirit and great fans but pish at fitba.

  14. Margaret McGill on

    Giant punishments….

     

     

    I’m thinking of things I’d hoped to forget.

     

    I’m choking to death in a sun that never sets.

     

    I clogged up my mind with perpetual greed

     

    & turned all of my friends into enemies.

     

    & now the past has returned to haunt me.

     

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slzlm3OPeNg

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    Good morning

     

    Just cant sleep after yrs on CQN my first night shift,

     

    dam birds sound as though they are on my window sill,How much sleep do DEADCLUB fc &SEVCO fc owe us so many questions

     

    1.Why are D&P stillon the scene for weeks I thought BDO were taking over.

     

    2.Whos paying D&P.

     

    3. why are DEADCLUB & SEVCO both still apparently about 1dead but no death certificate 1 newborn but no birth certificate.?????,

     

    When my da died I knew he was dead but could not do anything till I got death certificate to everyone else he still existed without it,When my daughters were born I held them in my arms & knew they existed but to everyone else they didn’t without that piece of paper.

     

    Do D&P still get to vote on behalf of DEADCLUB when the clubs vote??

     

    The SFA need to move their A##e so I can get a good nights sleep,an absolute shambolic charade .RANT OVER .

     

    excuse my manners nice to meet you Margaret (eventually) I usually catch the end of your input in the morning :)))

  16. Margaret McGill on

    leftclicktic on 17 June, 2012 at 04:15 said:

     

     

    Hello …so the excitement from the gift that keeps on giving keeps you up at night…Monday is still 2 days away…….???

  17. leftclicktic on

    Margaret at what time on monday will the SFA announce a delay in something (anything).

     

    Im 51 and slept like a baby till 14th feb :))))

  18. leftclicktic on

    BT

     

    Today I will be at bothwell cemetery to lay flowers and update my da boy would he have loved to have seen this,The stories he used to tell me of what they had to put up with from huns in Mossend & bellshill.

     

    Tonight I will send my last lanterns skyward thinking of him people like my uncle Neily my mate Paul Welsh and so many others who have gone before us.

  19. Mountblow tim on

    Good morning CQN from a wet misty Clydebank

     

     

    A Happy Fathers Day

     

     

    Keep the Faith

     

     

    Hail Hail

  20. So, where stand we this morning. I see the Herald are still referring to the Newco as “Rangers”. There is a definite attempt to confuse the terminology here, and make it seem inevitable that Newco takes on the priveleges of the dead RFC.

     

     

    As soon as you start writing about the Newco in proper terms – ie a company only a few days old, with no sporting or financial history – it becomes absurd to argue that it should compete in the top league.

     

     

    Which is precisely why they don’t write in those terms.

     

     

    Chomsky would have a field day here…

  21. Morning,

     

     

     

    Jealousy is a terrible thing…

     

     

     

    Neil Lennon’s agent has warned Craig

     

    Burley that he should get his facts right

     

    before criticising Celtic in his role as a

     

    television pundit.

     

    Burley’s comments, while operating as a

     

    summariser for ITV during the Euro 2012

     

    match between Ukraine and France on

     

    Friday, brought an angry response from the

     

    manager of the club where he previously

     

    played.

     

    Through his newspaper column and on ITV,

     

    the former midfielder has been repeatedly

     

    critical of manager Lennon, chief executive

     

    Peter Lawwell and the Parkhead club.

     

    He used the platform of his role on

     

    nationwide television to deliver what the

     

    Celtic hierarchy consider to be yet another

     

    unwarranted attack on the club.

     

    Burley said of French substitute Yann M’Vila,

     

    who plays for Rennes, one of Celtic’s Europa

     

    Cup opponents last season: “I watched that

     

    player boss the game against Celtic, even

     

    though that wouldn’t be hard.”

     

    This brought an angry response from

     

    Lennon, currently holidaying in Portugal, via

     

    his Twitter account, on which he remarked:

     

    “A certain ex-player is belittling the club and

     

    undermining our achievements.”

     

    Lennon’s agent, Martin Reilly, explained

     

    what had so upset the Celtic manager.

     

    Reilly said: “If you are going to have a pop

     

    at the club, Neil Lennon or Scottish football,

     

    you should a least make sure you get your

     

    facts right.

     

    “M’Vila did not even play in the tie in

     

    Rennes when Celtic drew 1-1. And, in the

     

    return game at Parkhead, he was sent off as

     

    Celtic won 3-1.

     

    “So, to bring Celtic into his comments during

     

    this Euro 2012 game told its own story, and

     

    it’s becoming quite tiresome.

     

    “Craig Burley previously claimed that the

     

    championship Celtic have just won was

     

    devalued because of Rangers’ situation.

     

    “Yet, he was calling for Neil Lennon to be

     

    sacked when he was 15 points behind in the

     

    same season.

     

    “I believe this latest comment is just further

     

    proof that Craig Burley has a personal

     

    grievance against Scottish football, Neil

     

    Lennon and Celtic. For what reason, no-one

     

    can understand.”

     

    Burley’s departure from Celtic in 2000, after

     

    two-and-a- half years as a player, was

     

    acrimonious but neither Lennon nor Lawwell

     

    was at the club at that time.

     

    This adds to the difficulty the manager and

     

    chief executive have understanding why they

     

    believe they are the subject of so much

     

    vitriol from the former midfielder.

     

    Last weekend, he used his Sunday

     

    newspaper column to opine that Lennon was

     

    struggling to cope and needed previous

     

    Parkhead manager Gordon Strachan to join

     

    him as part of his backroom team.

     

    That irked Lennon, who took over from Tony

     

    Mowbray as manager two years ago and

     

    last month brought the SPL title back to the

     

    club for the first time in four seasons.

     

    Celtic have elected to remain silent, in

     

    public at least, until this point, but the latest

     

    comments from Burley could now lead to

     

    the club taking action.

  22. •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on

    Morning all.

     

     

    I like that A Smith SoS article

     

     

    right versus might,

     

    fairness versus finance

     

    supporters versus broadcasters.

     

     

    That’s it in a nutshell.

     

     

    But this:

     

    Doncaster, for instance, is said to be confident he has “got the numbers” for Ibrox to be hosting SPL football next season.

     

     

    Who the devil is this man? How did he and Regan come to be running (down) Scottish football?