Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade. He said:
“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”
There has been no European ban. Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs. They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.
The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment. It changed nothing. Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so. They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.
As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition. Pointless.
Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”. Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.
Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats. How do you measure that? Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.
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Walt’s new franchise is the Arizona Cardigans.
not-wanting-to-make-a-decision cowardice :)
Fudge fingers
Did any Port CQN’ers go to the Joe O’Neil remembrance night in the Hibs on Friday?
Friends
Happy Daddy Day to all the Dads.
Mine’s would’ve been chuckling right now.
Probably is.
Cheers John.
U
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 17 June, 2012 at 12:00
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I thought that was the players union who contacted uefa?
HH
gorbalstam
With regards paying the players, if he doesn’t, then how can he claim they are SevCo’s players? It is going to get very messy over this. Which player will be the first one to break cover? Naismith is my bet
sparkleghirl@12:00
It will probably be the player/players who start any court action. Rangers still hold their registrations until the company is liquidated
There are two issues when it comes to players: footballing registration and contract of employment.
The latter is no different in the case of a footballer or a groundsman. If it is ruled that TUPE applies then they have a choice: transfer to Sevco 5088 Ltd on the same terms and conditions as they currently have or walk away with no liabilities on either side.
The issue becomes one of whether an undertaking has been transferred. If Sevco had simply bought some property then it could be argued it doesn’t. But as Sevco is claiming to have bought “the business” and plans to run a football team it is likely that it does.
So all Rangers employees will be transferred to Sevco unless they choose to walk away – and it is their legal right to make that choice.
Sone Alunewko will be paying the players, just like last season.
Vmhan on 17 June, 2012 at 12:03 said:
Maybe it was, it was late and I can’t remember where I read it.
Re the court action, somewhere I have read that Green could threaten court action to prevent players going on frees – court action would take time and create delays. He wants to sell them even though they’re not really his to sell.
pggtips2 on 17 June, 2012 at 10:44 said:
You are NOT a total erse, after all……..!!!….LOL
Kilbowie Kelt:
Mate, I’m only passing on the news that Ramie told me and as far as Kano’s trip goes, in mileage (for us) it is like a trip from Glasgow to the Isle of Man. For Kano it is a trip to the mysterious island (And Rottnest, a Dutch colony has it’s mysteries) which means for Kano braving the waves generated from the winds of the roaring forties, and when your life is dependent on a wee box of electronic tricks under you seat which regulates all sorts of your bodies vitals, like Kano has, he is indeed braving the waves like anybody has ever done before him.
It is winter down there and from Antarctica blows a cold, cold wind, but for Kano it will be just a cold paradise in a hemisphere apart from our very own paradise.
If Sone Aluko paid his own way last season, wouldn’t it be interesting to see what tax was paid etc?
Gordon_J@12:07
Thanks for that
It is the players registrations that interest me most. Without it the player can’t sign/play for anyone
Would the SFA intervene to demand that the players registration be released forthwith or do the registrations default to the SFA once Rangers 1872 is liquidated, thereby the decision rests with Hampden?
Sparkle
If it was me, God forbid then I would be asking the players union to sort it PDQ, any who are of a decent quality will be offski, I guess thats why elbows is staying with anybody co :>)
got to go n walk the woofer.
HH
TMTL
There should be no confusion. My take.
1. Sevco do not have any player registrations. These are held by oldco until actual liquidation at which point the SFA takes the registration for safe keeping.
2. At actual liquidation the player contract is terminated. The player becomes a free agent.
3. Sevco can ’employ’ whoever they want. This does not mean that such employees or employer will hold a registration to play football.
4. Sevco are not a member of the SFA therefore they are not a body that can legitimately hold a player registration.
5. If TUPE applies, that is effected via employment law and SEVCO would be entitled to honour that contract whether a football SFA registration is involved or not (in this case not, so far).
6. A player needs to sign a new employment contract with sevco whether TUPied or not.
7. A company not approved as a football club and not entitled to register players will not have any locus in the transfer of a playing registration between legitimately approved bodies (oldco and the SFA).
8. At present the liability for paying players employed by oldco remains with D+D as the administrators until the point where actual liquidation occurs and the employment position changes.
9. (My favourite) If sevco open a contract and pay players of oldco prior to actual liquidation that would be a situation of dual contracts for the purposes of playing football, unregistered with the SFA and SPL.
I don’t think Green has any intention of paying players this month.
HH
Kit – many thanks for the update on Martin, that Ramie is some man!
Kano on Tour sounds good to me. :-)
TTTT
‘Rottnest Island is located 18 kilometres (11 mi) off the Western Australian coast, near Fremantle. It is called Wadjemup by the Noongar people, meaning “place across the water”. The island is 11 kilometres (6.8 mi) long, and 4.5 kilometres (2.8 mi) at its widest point. Its total land area is 19 square kilometres (7.3 sq mi). Rottnest Island has been a popular local holiday destination for over 50 years.
The Western Australian vernacular diminutive is “Rotto”, or “Rottnest”. In 1917 Rottnest Island was declared an A-Class Reserve under the Permanent Reserve Act 1899 and the Rottnest Board of Control was formed, known today as the Rottnest Island Authority. No private ownership of land is allowed. The authority collects revenue by imposing a landing fee on all visitors to the island as well as managing holiday rental accommodation’
-excellent CQNer Kano is off to Rottnest, and we’re off to exterminate the Nest of Rotters.
Another embarrasment from BBC Scotland
they do this 6 minute skill show from all of last year
Include about 10 ex club pieces, 5 from mini huns, a few D Utd and only managed 1 Celtic one, Scott Brown’s flick at Swinecastle
Is that a rottnest fest?
¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on 17 June, 2012 at 12:18 said:
Very interesting …… I was under the impression that not being able to pay the players at the end of June would have put THE under financial pressure.
Where is the administrator going to get the money to pay the players…? LOL
‘Rottnest is one of the few areas in the world where the quokka
can be found. This is largely due to the exclusion of introduced predators from the mainland.’
Congrats to any CQNers who took part in the Men’s Health 10k in Glasgow this morning…..managed round in my bright orange running top. Oh the irony, as I ran it into the ground.
Did Sone Aluko pay his own EBT? that’s what I’d like to know.
The Quokka
Eminently Pettable – It’s the pet that put the pet in pettable…
U
Daniel Cousin got a 300K bung just for not signing
Interesting comment on the new EPL TV deals and the absurdly unsustainable sums of money involved.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com
TMWTL
Green and D&P have misrepresented the Tupe regs
The players chose Green is powerless in these circs
The Hun players difficultly will be with registration thro Uefa
I’d be surprised if Ct of Sess was ever involved
Ten Men Won The League,
It is not impossible that Sevco could end up employing players but not holding their registrations. They would still have to pay them though!
Given that the TUPE transfer is coming before liquidation, I would think that the SFA would look favourably on a transfer of registrations to follow the employment law position. If they acted unreasonably in denying registration there could, in theory, be liability.
This assumes that Sevco is a football club of course. If not then clearly it cannot register football players!
The real contracts to watch are not the players (bound by registration) nor is it the tea ladies who will get the same minimum wage whoever is in charge.
Watch the Manager and coaching contracts. These are set at SPL/Rankers values. If sevco are not to get straight into the SPL, Green doesn’t want to pay north of £1m for a coaching team in a lower division from 1-3 years.
However, under TUPE he is OBLIGED to honour what is currently in place.
He is therefore caught, because whilst players can walk away (and he wants them to as they are too expensive) and get another club, who else is going so pay TFPLG and his team £1m come July?????
Green’s Catch22. Even if he sack’s him I suspect he’ll find himself in court.
All this whilst knowing that TFPLG has no interest in working for him and will be actively assisting the Cardiganknights undermine sevco.
Right………. backto LMFAO!
HH
Club 12….that’s what will be shown on the SPL fixtures list. Should be Club 42?!
T4
Also worth the ole swoop courtesy of the massive Petting Zoo Rottnest Warchest
‘ Reptiles include dugite (Pseudonaja affinis), the Southern Blind Snake (Ramphotyphlops australis), King’s Skink (Egernia kingii), Bobtail (Tiliqua rugosa), Marbled Gecko (Christinus marmoratus), West Coast Ctenotus (Ctenotus fallens) and Burton’s Legless Lizard (Lialis burtonis). There are three species of frogs: the Moaning Frog (Heleioporus eyrei), the Western Green Tree Frog (Litoria moorei) and the Sandplain Froglet (Crinia insignifera).’
Club 666.
Ssn Just said Club 12 will be put in spl draw. Not x or tbc
The Moaning Frog – Isn’t that a Whetherspoon’s?
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TMWTL
Also , the players are Green’s to sell
The guy is a bluster merchant who changes his position in line with events
It’s quite amusing that such a banger holds all the aces
Club12. Club 2012. Rangers 2012. Hmm.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice HAS prevailed on 17 June, 2012 at 12:26 said:
D+D (I know they are inveterate liars) claim they have enough cash to get to end July. Watch this space…….
HH