“Giant punishments” on Rangers were illusory, you were punished instead


Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade.  He said:

“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”

There has been no European ban.  Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs.  They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.

The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment.  It changed nothing.  Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so.  They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.

As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition.  Pointless.

Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”.  Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.

Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats.  How do you measure that?  Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.

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  1. •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on

    SPL/SFL merger.



    That means SPL is no longer an exclusive club right? So would it still be only 12 (or 11) chairmen getting a vote on transfer? Or all of them? Or will they delay the merger until after the vote?


    As my Nanny (maternal grandmother not the hired,preferably Nordic type) used to say,”cheaters never win,even when they think they have.”


    The fact of the matter is they have been rumbled and only the most myopically deluded (almost all then) of them won’t admit it.Their pain is soothing.But it still doesn’t make up for the gut-wrenching dismay i,and i’m sure we all,felt after the league losses Paul mentions.


    As for Sir Walter Late Rally and his wealthy blue consortihun,good to see they were prepared to let their “beloved” club bite the dust before showing their (red) hand.Dignity indeed?


    It’s extremely satisfying having been,being and to be us.They wurny eh peepil!





    P.S. My humblest gratitude for those who passed their kind thoughts to me.This site never fails to amaze.A truly,wonderful place is CQN.Thanks again.




  3. Awe Naw…. @14:14….



    I have long had my doubts as to whether any compensation was in fact paid by Rangers 1873 -2012 in January 2007 Smith walked away from the manager’s position with Scotland.



    It was reported that after the threat of legal action by the SFA a figure of £400000 had been agreed.



    Last month I arranged for a tweet to be sent to Stewart Regan asking him to confirm what compensation figure was actually paid by Rangers 1873 -2012.



    After several reminders he responded as follows ………



    “Nothing to do with me…before my time”



    The search for the truth goes on!

  4. Aw_Naw…



    I just had this thought, not sure if it is a goer


    Could the SFA have been paying the myth’s salary as scotland manager in two parts? one contract taxable and one tax free through the dead one’s EBT vehicle


    Them all being such old and dear friends and that..

  5. Auld Neil Lennon heid on

    James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 16 June, 2012 at 13:28 said:



    Yes I read that and meant to add that apart frpm agreeing with your interpretation for Newco from the logical argument, Oldco (or Dodo FC as I now prefer) are still subject to sanctions like having titles removed.



    But on your key point about it being an allocation rather than a transfer I think it has legs. One of the reasons is that Doncaster has not articulated or attempted to apply SPL rules sensibly and in the spirit they are meant but to serve his own purpose. An example is him telling Keevins the six man SPL Board would vote on a Newco application. Even if that interpretation were valid at the time (and it was challengeable) common sense dictated that no SPL club would not want to have a say on this issue and I think they made that clear to Doncaster.



    So in my book the guy has previous and no credibility, so even if I thought the allocation rather than transfer argument was weak (and I do not) I would question anything Donacaster utters anyway.



    The SPL are no longer voting ” Rangers” into the SPL, they are being asked to vote in a new entity that cannot provide any evidence of compliance with the very criteria, stiffened considerably last year by adopting the UEFA club license template, and well done on the SFA for that change. However to recognise that club licensing plays a key role in protecting all clubs and then ignore the very safeguards it is intended to provide is business lunacy. The SFA really must state their misgivings having been pinned down by the CST on the application of club licensing



    “The Rangers” cannot meet the financial criteria of 3 years accounts that are intended to provide confidence they are well managed financially, they can provide no evidence whatsoever that the mindest that drove them to extinction has changed andthe possibility of having Walter Smith at the helm should send out big danger signals to Celtic and the other clubs and whilst I have not looked at the other non finacial criteria in detail, I do not see how they can evidence compliance.



    Club licensing is there for a reason, UEFA under pressure from the EU Govts acted on a report to bring sanity to football in Europe, to prevent what happened to Rangers happening again. To ignore those rules and the underlying principles would be verging on criminal by the SPL if the SFA said no license can be granted but the SPL ignored the SFA (and there is a question about the SPL being bound by the SFA decisions) or if the SFA were to grant a license, although in view of Regan’s reply to the CST I think that unlikely.



    The SFA not the SPL hold the key here and it is time they locked the door on The Rangers joining the SPL, they can do it by suspension under the disciplinary avenue when the Appeals Committe reconvene or under club licensing. Failure to do so under either means the end of Scottish football because it means the rules have been bent to breaking point to suit one club.

  6. Marrakesh Express on

    Spence not letting up. ‘season tickets sales all over the country are taking a hammering’. …’its armageddon we’re facing’……’a group of 15 Tannadice diehards, only one has renewed’……’its meltdown’.



    Thank god for the non-Glasgow MSM. Telling like it really is.



    Meantime the hun ghost is still running amok in the corridors of Hampden, spooking Doncaster, Reagan and Co. Why the F### cant the newhuns show some backbone and take the hit, applying for the bottom league and save the country one massive load of grief and long term damage.



    It is unbelievably mindblowing that as they seem prepared to drag the whole Football system down with them, they still get backing and sympathy from certain quarters, and not just the LL.




  7. League reconstruction?



    There really is no end to the manipulation of the game in this country that the authorities will attempt in order to appease the Darnel (or whatever eventually pulls on their dead, flaky skin).



    Scotland is a busted flush. This is banana republic stuff.

  8. How is not having a club which robs everyone else blind going to cause a financial loss? Clubs can only gain from there being no RFC(of any kind).

  9. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Rob MacLean” does not having the huns in the SPL ,damage the product…”whit,after all the cheating that mob has done for years ffs

  10. Bit frustrated today.


    Yet another Honours List and no mention of quonno.


    Not even for his services to moaning and groaning.


    Also no mention of a Sir Walter no Surname.


    Wonder why?



    Just heard Tam Cowan describe Walter as a blister.


    Something that appears after the hard work has been done.

  11. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 14:39 said:






    Interesting hypothesis. Can’t agree. Far too simplistic. In fact Tony Blair might be a stronger candidate for union stupidity than Thatcher.



    If Regan was a product of Castro what was Castro a product of?




  12. •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on

    Blair was a product of the ‘success’ of the anti-poll tax movement, much as I hate to believe it. Had Thatcher not been replaced, Smith would likely have won the election rather than Major and labour would not have had to lurch so far to the right.

  13. Sir Paul



    Ah wiz Jist Thinkin’…



    Greenie, his Made a Career. oota . Buying Intae


    Floundering Companies.. and…in Some cases,as well.


    Founderin’ Wans,tae.



    At Last Coont.. he has Done This Sorta Thing. Sixty Three Times.. and He his, also. Backed Oota.. Twenty Nine , Deals. that Went . Awe Sticky.



    Yep.. Greenie, is Nae GreenHorn.. at this. kinda wey o’ Life.



    So.. That, Being Said..



    Noo, fur the Sixty Four Dollah Question..






    Why?.. Why, Whit?



    Well.. Why, diz Greenie dae this?



    Well.. Let Me Think..



    Jist Aff the Tap o’ Ma Heid.. And.. Taking a Wild Guess..



    He diz this sorta Thing..






    He has developed a Speculative Method o’ Supportin’ his Himsel.. and his Family.. which . kin be described .. thusly..



    “In fur a PENNY.. and.. Oot.. Fur a POUND!”(Hopefully!)





    Past Performance, being, in Many cases.. a Sure Fire Indicator o’ Present..and Future Performance… as is said, by the Sages aroon the Campfires…





    Well, Folks..Ye kin Bet, yer Sweet and Unsweet Patooties.. as well..


    That, This Snake, wullnae Chinge HIS .. Overcoat..



    And. continue, tae avail himsel,as he Progresses oan his Merry way , tae Perdition… of His .. SO FAR…Successful.. ..


    Modus Operandi… Tae Wit:



    “Hit .. Grab the Dough.. and.. Run!”



    Sell.. Baby.. Sell!!



    Fur that Is Whit he Diz..











    Still, Laughin’

  14. League reconstruction? Why not. But is this just a new idea or has it been worked on for a while? After all we would need a new set of rules to be agreed, a structure and all of the financial issues to be resolved. Can that be done in time for the new season?



    If we have 39 teams then we could have 3 leagues of 13! Gives everyone a free weekend every so often.

  15. Tricoloured Ribbon on

    The spokespersons of both Kilmarnock and Dundee United Supporters have spoken really well on Radio Scotland.

  16. The actions of all associations MUST act without fear or favour.


    That should be applied EVERY day, every game, every season.


    The SFA has been run as a pseudo RFC fan club for 100+ years.


    Time for a broom to clear out the corrupt practices.


    Take this opportunity to clean up the game.


    Start with dumping CO.

  17. sparkleghirl @ 14:43,



    My understanding is that the SFA are at the end of their tether with (lets be generous) the SPL’s inertia.



    My feeling is that if there was one League structure at the top level of the Scottish game then any New Club MUST begin in the bottom League.



    Hail! Hail!

  18. Kilbowie Kelt on

    I ‘m going to have to go out for a good drink.


    It would appear that Charlie Green may not be as honest as we thought,



    Gee Whiz.



    Thanks for telling us.

  19. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Rob Mac Lean doing a better job of sticking up for the huns than Charlie Green.

  20. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 16 June, 2012 at 14:57 said:



    Like Thatcher, Cameron, Clegg and the MAJORITY of both Westminster Houses, Blair was a product of private and exclusive education. Discuss.




  21. traditionalist88 on

    Nothing wrong with restructuring the leagues, its the motive thats in question and the fact they seem to be able to push it through in a matter of weeks whereas any time the issue has been raised before we’ve always been told it’d be ‘the season after next’ before it could be implemented.



    The newHuns will end up in a 2nd tier and be back in the top tier within a year…a shadow of the oldhuns in terms of ability of attract players etc. But this will keep Sky happy.

  22. Tricoloured Ribbon on



    Aye McLean really can’t hide it.Utter desperation from him.


    Jim Spence has been terrific.

  23. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    Castro was the product of a staggeringly corrupt fascist govt.


    ie.Typically Latin American.


    Castro could have achieved and should have achieved, but he allied himself to Kruschev ,the butcher ,instead of U.S., the lesser of two evils.


    To this day the beautiful Cuban people pay the price.

  24. Bottom line is quite simple : NO club should be shown preferential treatment.


    RFCnewco should be grateful to get into Div 3.

  25. celtic heritage on

    I need to admit a cardinal sin today – I was away with work most of the week so didn’t hear what the fans of the former football club were making of it all – so I couldn’t resist buying the record today to read the hotline. Best line was someone claiming to back Green over the Myth Mob becasue without Green “we would be dead and buried”!! When is someone going to lay it out in simple terms that they are dead and bried. Gone forever. Many people are needing to read the excellent book called “Good to Great” by Jim Collins which is about turning businesses (companies) from being good to great. There is a chapter about confronting the brutal reality – based on the story of General Stockdale who was imprisoned during the Vietnam war. Basically, you cannot move on until you face up to your situation – no matter how bad it is. We need that in Scottish football just now. Putting off inquiries, appeals, decisions is killing the game. As Ally demanded – we need openness and transparency by all. Get the truth and nothing but the truth out. Until then I will feel cheated and bitter about it. Afterward, I will feel cheated but not bitter. There is a major difference between the 2 states. HH

  26. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on




    Would be interesting to compare Craig Browns salary with cardihuns. That would be an indication. The timing of any EBTs that cardihun got ?



    Then the question arises did Eck get any EBT money while Scotland manager.



    It also explains cardihuns behaviour with regards boozegate




  27. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Tricoloured Ribbon-Agree re Jim Spence,often made out as a joke figure from Traynor and Young.No agenda from Media House,calls it straight with strong opinions,what a journalist should do.

  28. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on 16 June, 2012 at 15:02 said:


    •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 16 June, 2012 at 14:57 said:



    Education is good.


    Good education is better.

  29. BABASONICOS71 on

    Apparently there’s a movie about the whole dead club’s fiasco in the pipeline.Not much is known about the details but it’s believed to going under the working title “Das Flute” and stars already signed up are Huge Grant,Brute Willis,Lyndsey Loan,William Shatner (obviously),Billie Piper,The Man From Del Monte,Billy Boy Dee Williams and Lee Ice Cream Van Cleef.


    I’ll get me coat. ;-)

  30. northshorebhoy on

    Radio idiots talking about Sky deal.



    THEY NO LONGER EXIST!!! Voldemort FC is all you have, and they are not part of the Sky deal!!!

  31. tommytwiststommyturns on

    Not listening to Beeb, but I said on here months ago that the big copout would be league reconstruction.


    The other SPL clubs are being forced by their fans to reject the Newco application, but these same clubs wouldn’t want the Newco to take 3 years to gain promotion to the SPL. There’s no way they will be made to start in Div 3.



    I thought that SPL 1 and 2 would be proposed, with the Newco starting in SPL 2, in the top league after one year. It wouldn’t be palatable to us, but it was the compromise I was expecting.


    What’s being proposed on Beeb Scotland?




  32. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 15:05 said:






    You don’t think he was the product of his family, his peers, his priest, his teachers and his reading during a period of corrupt and potentially fascist governing?




  33. •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on

    SPL fixtures due out Monday, I understand. What about the SFL?



    Could they really truly contemplate restructure in such a short timescale? Is this so Dundee can get into SPL but ClubX can take their place in Div 1 rather than starting from the bottom? Will the other clubs agree to such a change?

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