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“Giant punishments” on Rangers were illusory, you were punished instead

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Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade.  He said:

“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”

There has been no European ban.  Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs.  They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.

The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment.  It changed nothing.  Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so.  They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.

As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition.  Pointless.

Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”.  Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.

Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats.  How do you measure that?  Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.

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  1. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on 16 June, 2012 at 15:16 said:

     

    macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 15:07 said:

     

    ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on 16 June, 2012 at 15:02 said:

     

    •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 16 June, 2012 at 14:57 said:

     

     

    Education is good.

     

    Good education is better.

     

     

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

     

     

    Ghandi, Lord Wheatley and David Livingstone might agree with you. Would Tony Blair?

     

     

    HH

     

     

    O.K.You`ve got me.

     

    Can`t see what they have in common.

     

    Or not?

     

    Frankly,I might find Tony Blair`s agreement unacceptable,but I do get the definite impression that he means well.

  2. !!Bada Bing!! on

    For the first time,I am actually starting to believe the huns will get put out of the SPL.Listening to fans of different clubs,i’m genuinely shocked at their outrage,much the same as we have been showing.The credibility would be zero in keeping Newclub in the SPL.

  3. Glendalystonsils likes a mr whippy with his lime green jelly on

    All this nonsense about a secret vote on Newco is for one reason and one reason only. Certain SPL chairmen have no scruples and no backbone. They can vote Newco in without letting their fans know they’ve been betrayed and without inviting a boycott of their grounds.

     

    If I thought there was the slightest chance of them getting away with it I would be seriously pi$$ed off . The Kilmarnock and St. Johnstone (and any other like minded ) chairmen should ignore the feelings of the vast majority of the fans at their peril

  4. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    Macjay1

     

     

    My absolute favourite example is Cromwell.

     

     

    Strive to kill the Monarchy.

     

     

    Establish a Republic.

     

     

    Then when the natives don’t do what you like…………

     

     

    Re-establish Divine Right Monarchy with yersel on the toilet.

     

     

    Absolutely fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

     

    HH

  5. •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on

    !!Bada Bing!! on 16 June, 2012 at 15:43 said:

     

     

    Their outrage has been evident on their message boards for months. That it is getting an airing on national radio can only be a good thing.

  6. tommytwiststommyturns on

    Bada Bing @ 15:38 – I like that. Sent to some Hun colleagues.

     

    Ooops former Huns!

     

     

    T4

  7. sixtaeseven: No NewClub in SPL and it's Non-Negotiable! on

    LEST WE FORGET (the SPL years):

     

    Tainted Titles

     

    1999

     

    2000

     

    2003

     

    2005

     

    2009

     

    2010

     

    2011

     

    Corrupt Scottish Cups

     

    1999

     

    2000

     

    2002

     

    2003

     

    2008

     

    2009

     

    Defiled League Cups

     

    1999

     

    2002

     

    2003

     

    2005

     

    2008

     

    2010

     

    2011

     

    (SPL years only, list is obviously longer…)

  8. Kojo,

     

     

    30m, we sure could do something with that kind of money in the transfer market,

     

     

    but your forgetting to add on the transfer budget for this summer, so 30m+ :-))

     

     

    IfonlyCSC

  9. Listening to SSB it’s clear that every club’s fans are holding off buying season tickets until they hear that newcoCrooks are NOT in the SPL.

     

    Only then will they buy tickets.

     

    So, SPL chairmen, when weighing up the financial situation, do you go for the mythical belief that you needs huns or to do you listen to your fans telling you that you’ll definitely not get their money if you choose huns over integrity?

     

     

    Oh and by the way, all those who say that the term huns dies with RFCil, then you are wrong. The huns aren’t deid. Just the club they follow follow.

  10. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Maybe a few of these chairmen benefitted from EBTs also. One of them definitely has.

     

     

    HH

  11. Steinreignedsupreme on

    tommytwiststommyturns on 16 June, 2012 at 15:46:

     

     

    “Bada Bing @ 15:38 – I like that. Sent to some Hun colleagues.

     

     

    “Ooops former Huns!”

     

     

    They are now called the Nones – as in ‘how many trophies has your team won?’ Answer: ‘None’.

  12. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    Oh and Livingston have a legal decision pending licensing decisions

  13. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 15:43 said:

     

     

    Nothing deep or sinister just examples on thirsting after ‘knowledge’ without benefiting from ‘education’.

     

     

    HH

  14. Ticketus are being very quiet of late. If I’d just lost the best part of 25 million to a bunch of shysters I’d make a wee bit of noise at least.

     

     

    What happened to the Arsenal shares money? Now that Rangers are dead does that mean that Craigy gets to keep that dosh. Actually, on reflection I just don’t understand why Craigy just didn’t pocket the lot. Why did he feel the need to pay back the bank and nobody else?

     

     

    It is keeping me awake worrying about the ramifications of it all.

  15. sixtaeseven: No NewClub in SPL and it's Non-Negotiable! on

    Hard to believe they are actually going to pick up 900k in prize money for finishing second (unpaid taxes, playing players that they hadn’t paid for, selling Jelavic when he hadn’t – and still hasn’t – been paid for, being kept afloat week after week by the dodgiest admin folk imaginable, in debt to other Scottish and European teams, etc etc).

     

     

    How can they qualify for PRIZE MONEY ???

  16. Italia Bhoy

     

     

    You sure that the economic ruin of the USSR was foreseen and guaranteed in 1960. Took a long time for that inevitability to come into effect.

     

     

    Meanwhile, post(??)- communist China owns half our debt and are sitting pretty. How come Mao’s China with its wasteful capricious planning did not go bust quicker than its sugar daddy, the USSR?

  17. MWD

     

     

    As a club we have standards, this week more than any other emphasises that.

     

     

    McGregor is a hun and I mean that not just because of the team he plays for. He doesn’t meet the standards that we should have, it’s a no for me.

  18. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 16 June, 2012 at 15:35 said:

     

    In `59 Castro was headed in the leftist direction,as was Che.

     

    Why not? Leftism seemed to be the only alternative to the fascism of Batista and his Mafia cronies and a bulwark against the undemocratic and often unelected govts. of Latin America.

     

     

    His alliance with the Soviet Union and his responsibility for the introduction of nuclear weapons to Latin America would forever render to him pariah status in U.S.

     

    Sadly ,the Cuban people still pay the price.

  19. The SPL should go with the 11 remaining clubs for season 12/13.

     

     

    The 11 would meet 4 times meaning there would be no need for a split.

     

     

    Other positives:-

     

    – one extra home match

     

    – guarentee of visits from Celtic

     

    – sporting integrity restored

     

    – and no place forAllNewRangers anywhere

  20. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    Setting Free The Bears

     

     

    It’s a mood thing. Sometimes I really enjoy the ole sledgehammer approach and other times it’s good to chill……………

     

     

    After the ole celebratory WAKEFEST of the last few days I’m all aglow with smug, smiling, self-satisfied contentedness.

     

     

    Happy to make points but not ague with fellow bhoys in this mood.

     

     

    I’m sure it’ll wear off when the next fly move in the neverendingstory kicks off….

     

     

    HH

  21. Latest rumour is that SPL and SFL to merge , am i being cynical or is this an attempt to avoid a decision on newco? merge the leagues, make them bigger, put newco in top league of 2 and package it to the punters under the guise “this is what u wanted”……………………..Is their no end to the pandering to the hun from the authorities? Guess not as they are and always have been one in the same!!!!!!!!

     

     

    Surprised & happy to see move for Ki by Rubin Kazin declined by CFC, does that mean they are resigned to loosing Wanyana or are they holding out for more cash.

     

    I would say £6m is better than i would have hoped to have got for Ki, good player that he is!!!!

  22. Green Lantern (((((0))))) on

    McSh@gger for Celtic????!!!!!!!

     

     

    He’s a low life scumbag.

     

     

    The jersey doesn’t shrink…………

  23. Steinreignedsupreme on

    Mea Culpa on 16 June, 2012 at 15:49:

     

     

    “So, SPL chairmen, when weighing up the financial situation, do you go for the mythical belief that you needs huns or to do you listen to your fans telling you that you’ll definitely not get their money if you choose huns over integrity?”

     

     

    That’s an interesting point you make. But these chairmen actually know the figures involved in the TV contract – unlike the Newco-biased media who are simply trying to spread panic, as a future without a team from Ibrox playing in the SPL terrifies them.

     

     

    The pressure on the chairmen at the other clubs to uphold sporting integrity will bear fruit in my opinion. While they may have to tighten their belts further with reduced television revenue, these clubs will at least survive, but they know they are finished if they vote for Newco. The stance has hardened the longer this saga has gone on.

  24. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    macjay1,

     

    you still refuse to acknowledge Americas part in forcing Castro into the dealing with the USSR

  25. timbhoy2 on 16 June, 2012 at 16:05 said:

     

     

    Mind dont let up ,regarding Parks Buses, no more

     

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    timbhoy2

     

     

    If Celtic have found using Parks Buses to be efficient, reliable and economically sound, why should they change?

     

     

    We aren’t going down the road of boycotting companies unless they are Celtic minded are we? Surely, that’s not what we are about?

     

     

    Unless you have another reason why Parks shouldn’t be used?

  26. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    hamiltontim on 16 June, 2012 at 16:01 said:

     

     

    I’m shocked! Expecting those drawn to the teaching vocation to show far more forgiveness and acceptance! ;-)

     

     

    For me he fails as a footballer. If he was a better footballer then why not?

     

     

    HH

  27. CQN Lesson for the day:

     

     

    The U.S. and Cuba sure know how to hold a grudge. When Fidel Castro came to power in 1959, relations between the two countries quickly devolved into bitter arguments, political grandstanding and the occasional international crisis. And while Cuba lies less than 100 miles (160 km) off the coast of Florida, the two nations have had no diplomatic relations since 1961 and use Switzerland as a mediator whenever they need to talk. But maybe — finally — things might change. On April 13 President Barack Obama announced that he would lift some longstanding restrictions, allowing Cuban Americans to visit and send remittances to their families and easing — but not removing — the 47-year-old economic embargo on the island nation. (Read “Will Obama Open Up All U.S. Travel to Cuba?”)

     

     

    But the U.S. and Cuba’s ties go back well before Castro. In 1898, at the end of the Spanish-American war, a defeated Spain signed the rights to its territories — including Cuba, Puerto Rico and Guam — over to the U.S., which subsequently granted Cuba its independence with the stipulation that the U.S. could intervene in the country’s affairs if necessary (later relinquished) and that it be granted a perpetual lease on its naval base at Guantánamo Bay (not). For the next half-century the two countries more or less cooperated, with the U.S. helping to squash rebellions and heavily investing in the economy of its tiny neighbor. The American mafia used Havana as a conference center in 1946. Ernest Hemingway lived there for 22 years; he wrote The Old Man and the Sea at his villa just outside the capital.

     

     

    Then came the Cuban Revolution and everything changed. It took multiple years and a few attempts but on Jan. 1, 1959 Fidel Castro and his band of guerillas successfully overthrew the government of President General Fulgencio Batista. The United States — which supported Castro by imposing a 1958 arms embargo against Batista’s government — immediately recognized the new regime, although it expressed some misgivings over the revolutionaries’ execution of over 500 pro-Batista supporters and Castro’s increasingly obvious communist tendencies. Castro visited the U.S. just three months after coming to power, touring Washington monuments and meeting with Vice President Richard Nixon, all while wearing his trademark olive green fatigues. It was a rare moment of alliance between the two countries, and one that would not be repeated.

     

     

    By 1960, Castro’s government had seized private land, nationalized hundreds of private companies — including several local subsidiaries of U.S. corporations — and taxed American products so heavily that U.S. exports were halved in just two years. The Eisenhower Administration responded by imposing trade restrictions on everything except food and medical supplies. Decrying “Yankee imperialism,” Castro expanded trade with the Soviet Union instead. The U.S. responded by cutting all diplomatic ties, and the two countries have been talking through Switzerland ever since. President Kennedy issued the permanent embargo on Feb. 7, 1962 — right after ordering a shipment of 1,200 Cuban cigars for himself — and within a few years the country, whose economy relied on the use of American-made products, became a shell of its former self. Food consumption decreased. Telephones and televisions were harder to come by. With no way to import American cars, Cubans watched their pre-embargo sedans rust into jalopies.

     

     

    The early 1960s were marked by a number of subversive, top-secret U.S. attempts to topple the Cuban government. The Bay of Pigs — the CIA’s botched attempt to overthrow Castro by training Cuban exiles for a ground attack — was followed by Operation Mongoose: a years-long series of increasingly far-fetched attempts on Castro’s life. Between 1961 and 1963 there were at least five plots to kill, maim or humiliate the Cuban leader using everything from exploding seashells to shoes dusted with chemicals to make his beard fall out. The Get Smart-like plans never worked, and Castro’s Cuba soldiered on, angry as ever at the United States.

     

     

    The darkest moment in the countries’ relationship came on the morning of October 15, 1962 when U.S. spy planes discovered evidence that the Soviet Union was building missile bases in Cuba. President Kennedy learned of the threat the following morning, while still in pajamas, and for the next 12 days the U.S. and Russia were locked in a white-knuckled nuclear face-off — the Cuban Missile Crisis — that ended only when Nikita Khrushchev accepted Kennedy’s secret proposal to remove U.S. missiles in Turkey in exchange for the de-arming of Cuba. The Soviet missiles were gone within six months, but it would take a long time for America to forgive the nation that allowed them to be placed so close to the American mainland. (Read about the lessons learned from the Cuban Missile Crisis.)

     

     

    In April 1980, a downtown in the economy caused thousands of dissatisfied Cubans to seek political asylum in foreign countries. Anyone who wanted to leave, Castro announced, could do so through its northwestern port, Mariel Harbor. Over the next six months 125,000 Cubans clambered onto boats and made their way to the U.S. in a mass flotilla. Castro also released criminals and mental-hospital patients, of whom as many as 22,000 landed on the shores of Florida; Cuba refused to take them back.

     

     

    The U.S. strengthened its embargo rules in 1992 and again in 1996 with the Helms-Burton Act, which applied the embargo to foreign countries that traded with Cuba and was issued in retaliation after Cuba shot down two U.S. civilian airplanes. The last decade has seen the U.S. tighten and then relax restrictions depending on the political climate. A 2001 agreement to sell food to Cuba in the aftermath of Hurricane Michelle has so far remained in place; the United States is now Cuba’s main supplier of food, with sales reaching $710 million in 2008.

     

     

    President Obama’s announcement this week that he would lift remittance and travel restrictions for those with family still in Cuba marked a small but significant change in the U.S.’s position toward the island. Obama also agreed to let telecommunications companies — long barred under the embargo — to pursue business in the country, which still has roughly the same number of phone lines as it did in the 1950s. But the fate of the embargo rests in the sensitive hands of politicians, and no one is sure what Cuba’s reaction will be. President Raúl Castro (who took over for his brother after Fidel underwent surgery in 2006) has indicated that he would like to open a dialogue with the U.S. Fidel himself, upon meeting the Congressional Black Caucus in early April, reportedly asked, “How can we help President Obama?” — although his later comments reverted to his typical uncooperative, firebrand type. The U.S. has extended a small olive twig to an ailing nation run by the brother of an ailing man, and what happens next is anyone’s guess. Will Cuba respond by releasing political prisoners? Allowing free trade? Or will the 82-year-old former President and his brother rebuff the nation that has made it so easy for them to hate? This is, after all, a man the U.S. once tried to kill with a seashell.

  28. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    Setting free the bears on 16 June, 2012 at 16:00 said:

     

    Italia Bhoy

     

     

    You sure that the economic ruin of the USSR was foreseen and guaranteed in 1960. Took a long time for that inevitability to come into effect.

     

     

    Meanwhile, post(??)- communist China owns half our debt and are sitting pretty. How come Mao’s China with its wasteful capricious planning did not go bust quicker than its sugar daddy, the USSR.

     

     

    Mate.It did.

     

    And then Mao did China a favour and died in `76.

     

    His great leap forward between `58 and `62 resulted in 10 million dead of starvation.

     

     

    As the American dollar continues to depreciate,Chinese holdings depreciate.

     

    Could it be tactical?

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