“Giant punishments” on Rangers were illusory, you were punished instead


Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade.  He said:

“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”

There has been no European ban.  Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs.  They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.

The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment.  It changed nothing.  Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so.  They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.

As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition.  Pointless.

Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”.  Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.

Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats.  How do you measure that?  Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.

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  1. Glendalystonsils likes a mr whippy with his lime green jelly on

    There is so much skullduggery (or should that be hunduggery) in Scottish football that I can’t help but be suspicious of any “initiative” like league reform.


    I think it used to be called paranoia before we had proof that we were actually being had.

  2. row z



    Firstly, some really informative posts from you this afternoon thanks for the ‘gentle’ approach.



    Secondly, I thought my post explained why I wouldn’t take McGregor. He’s a hun and I don’t just mean because of the team he plays for.



    As a man he doesn’t fit a Celtic jersey. Just my opinion mind.

  3. Headtheball on 16 June, 2012 at 16:11 said:



    If Parks were funding the huns then anyone funding Parks would be funding the huns.

  4. macjay1:



    I’d be careful of that China,it is buying up all the mineral rights in Africa and South America (an quite a bit here too) and also all the good food producing lands in Australia.

  5. •-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on

    ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on 16 June, 2012 at 16:12 said:


    For me he fails as a footballer. If he was a better footballer then why not?




    Imagine a playing a crucial game. It’s tight and a goalkeeping blunder costs us the game. Would you see it as just a blunder or would you always wonder if it was deliberate?

  6. Headtheball



    There is a world of difference between a company which is not ‘Celtic minded’ and one which funds a newco.

  7. Bookies Pen for a Button on a Blazer on

    Bloke109 is Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 15:54 said:



    What game are you watching. It’s 0 0 at HT and quite frankly I expect better of Celtic against this level of opposition and at home. It’s Lawell’s fault and playing Scott Brown as keeper is not helping matters. Has Lenny lost his marbles????







  8. ernie lynch and hamiltontim



    I know what you’re saying but it’s not a road I’d like to go down.


    Whether we know it or not we must all be using the services of people who have funded the huns in one way or another over the years.

  9. Anybody see the posting by Bob McKay on Alex Thomo’s blog?


    Hilarious stuff. Still prefers to believe the utterings of RFCil rather than simply applying common sense.


    How many times do the lies have to be exposed before they see the light?



    Looking forward to a hun free league.



  10. SPL/ SFL Merger (reconstruction) – hmmmmm!



    A subject much discussed on here prior to the intervention of the MBB story – recall TBB doing a lengthy post on it.



    Could it be a solution to all our problems? 3 leagues of 14?



    No vote to Newco (who have no licence) enter @ position 42 – Spartans and A.N.Other get into new Div3. All teams relegated (2011-12) get a reprieve – those that missed out on promotion get to move up a league.



    Whether its a 6-8 split or not – all teams bar the top 6 (in Premier) would end up with additional games (38 or 40 in total) – maybe additional TV coverage at no extra cost for the broadcaster.



    Whilst Newco punishment might not appear sufficiently harsh (for everyone) – justice of sorts would be seen to be done (minimum 2 years in the wilderness). Even allowing for them coming back up the leagues – there would still be the loss of a further 1-2 years European money (meeting the accounts requirements).



    2 years down the line and the new TV deal starts – perhaps this would allow scope for maintaining the financial status quo meantime.



    Whether all parties could agree to a more amicable split of Prize/ TV money and the introduction of a parachute payment (for relegated teams) remains to be seen. Would it lead to improved sponsorship?



    The one benefit of a 14 team league might mean more 3pm kick-offs during the season – as I doubt TV schedules would be altered to show increased coverage of the Scottish game.



    The obvious benefit should be the streamlining of the number of suits currently running the game at Hampden.



    Who knows what the next move in this fiasco will be?

  11. My dear,dear,dear,friend.. Gerry.. @ 15.49






    Great tae greet Ye,this Fine. day.



    Yep, Admit that Ah wiz only Dreamin’.



    But, A Fellah kin Dream.. Kint He?



    Howevahhhhh.. It seems tae me.. that Celtic kin only get the Kinda Players which wull dae the Joab..in Europe.. by


    Spendin’ Big.. and in Order tae Spend Big..



    Why.. Ye must ..



    SELL.. well.. BIG!



    Ah widnae Flinch,a wee toaty bit… at Cashin in oan.. Wanyama, Ki, and.. Hoops.. if we could Get A Pile o’ Dough fur Them.



    Fur we hiv. excellent Replacements.. coming up in the Pipeline..



    Tony Watt.is a Real Find.. and He wull Soon Prove it tae Everybuddy,next season…


    We hiv Excellent up an Coming Kids .. By the SCORE..it seems..



    This Present Harvest o’ Young uns..is a Bumper.


    Ah reckon… that Young Chalmers wull be a Great Replacement fur.. Izzy..



    No quite Yet.. but, He wull Be . Very Shortly.


    Ah am sure that if we sold..Fur, Top Money..of Course!!



    Ki, Wanyama And Hoops..


    They widnae be Missed.. wan leetle Bit.



    Fur. . We wid be able te Restock oor Shelves, wi


    . Really top Class Replacements.. because of oor Superior Scouting System.. which, at this Time, has Proved itsel tae Be. a Very able and shrewd Group of Scouts.



    Wi the Money we goat fur those Three..



    Celtic, Are oan the Cusp o’ breakin oot. and Becoming a WORLD CLASS ootfit..



    IF.. We dae the Right Thing.. and



    SELL, a Few of oor Present Players… when the Demand is HOAT.. and No Hesitate.





    yer pal..who likes ye aloater.



    Still, Laughin’

  12. Headtheball



    Not willingly or knowingly I haven’t. And I certainly wouldn’t want Celtic to be aiding and financing a company owned by a man who then puts that money into our biggest rivals and competitors.

  13. No point in fiddling league structures. You need to clean out the rotten wood.


    CO, Dungcaster, Regan, all must go.


    Anything less and the SFA/League is the same corrupt body it has always been.


    As long as CO is in place nothing will improve. He is pulling the strings.


    Who’s got a decent pair of scissors?

  14. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on



    Surely it is obvious where Castro`s sympathies lie.


    Kruschev is his friend.Kruschev had threatened to turn U.S. to dust.


    Kruschev admitted to his son prior to his death that he was up to his knees in blood.


    Who does that remind you of?





  15. Bookies Pen for a Button on a Blazer on

    praecepta on 16 June, 2012 at 16:28 said:



    I got told by a guy who claimed to have a good source (so don’t quote me! :) ) that there are multiple plans in the pot and that no one knows which way this is going to go, but the most important objective is to keep supporters and TV sweet – but not necessarily in that order. :)




  16. hamiltontim



    I’m sure you’ve had a bottle of Coke now and then, or a Tennents, maybe bought an Audi from Lomond or put a bet on with Ladbrokes – just a few companies who have supported Rangers through the cheating years. At least newco has yet to cheat. (give it time I suppose!)


    Anyway, off to candy apple now will check in later.

  17. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    kitalba on 16 June, 2012 at 16:18 said:




    How are you,mate?


    Chinese purchases of land in Africa amount to colonialism,but nobody says so in case they be accused of racism.

  18. Headtheball on 16 June, 2012 at 16:26 said:


    ”ernie lynch and hamiltontim



    I know what you’re saying but it’s not a road I’d like to go down.


    Whether we know it or not we must all be using the services of people who have funded the huns in one way or another over the years.”




    Old Firm, anyone?

  19. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on




    Just at the windup. To me he’s a scumbag who I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole even if he was as good as Leiper the Keeper.



    Though as a custodian of the young you should be setting aside such base crassness surely ;-)




  20. ¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ on

    hamiltontim on 16 June, 2012 at 16:31 said:





    Not willingly or knowingly I haven’t. And I certainly wouldn’t want Celtic to be aiding and financing a company owned by a man who then puts that money into our biggest rivals and competitors.






    But every time you buy an away ticket that’s exactly what you do?




  21. Kevtic @ 16:04,



    11 Team League for a season while the SFA properly restructure – Top suggestion.



    Works for me,needs a wider audience.



    Has anyone heard of the SFA’s Professional Game Board, was recently set up to oversee the smooth running of the Professional game.



    Rod Petrie is the Chairman, its has eight members of drawn from the SFA, SFL, SHFL & SPL, some as illustrious as Peter Lawwell, some as compromised as Campbell Ogilvie.



    However surely now that R@ngers are no more they should be able to get in a Room and put in framework for the way forward, with all the exisiting members of the Professional game.



    Kevtic’s 11 team suggestion allows them a whole Season to re-structure the Pro-Leagues and implement rules & regulations fit for purpose.

  22. Bookies Pen for a Button on a Blazer on

    It’s very important that justice is served here and that means this new club being lined up for taking the place of the now defunct one being sufficiently punished that the word justice actually has some meaning.


    More importantly for us (and any other club who feel wronged) is that we are compensated for the losses incurred by the cheating of the defunct club.


    I want reparation. Nothing less.




  23. Philbhoy - It's just the beginning! on

    Emdy that ever bought a pie or bovril at ibrox hang your heads in shame!




  24. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    Buenas noches,amigos en Celtic.


    Viva Cuba.


    Viva Cuba libre.



    De Gaulle c.s.c.

  25. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on



    sorry, nothing obvious about it IMO, America wanted to impose their corporate governance Castro wanted community ownership.


    America refused.


    The only community ownership America will support is when a corporation owns the community.

  26. regarding so called merger of leagues it has nothing to do with sfa finally getting fed up with talks, the sfa are just as guilty as spl of having no backbone to confront


    what has been the norm for decades upon decades, all must be disbanded and


    neutrals from outside appointed to get a truly impartial governing body, jim spence on radio shortbread said he has been told that the sfa are fed up with no progress


    in talks between spl/sfl/ about changes well jim is this the same sfa that has a


    deeply and seriously conflicted man as its head? no jim they are looking for ways


    to avoid doing what should have been done ages ago expel the cheats and the rest


    would have been a lot easier to sort out.

  27. The Pantaloon Duck on

    Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 16 June, 2012 at 16:47 said:



    BBC3 KO 7.45BST. Dunno if that’s any good for you…

  28. Bookies Pen for a Button on a Blazer on

    Bloke109 is Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 16:40 said:



    Ha! That’s a spurious argument! You shoot me down for ignoring two goals, but you fail to comment on Broonie is goal? That speaks volumes. Sack the board!!!!







  29. In principle merging governing bodies is a damned good idea – I’ve been calling for it for years. But blazers don’t vote for Christmas. Less governing bodies mean less positions for those with two surnames. Less foreign trips. So why would they back it now?



    If we can get something good out of this whole hun mess then a streamlining of the game would be a major win. Provided of course that the chaos of trying to achieve it within a few weeks does not cover up Sevco 5088 getting into the top division by the back door.

  30. There is Only Wan CRITERION, That Must be Satisfied.. when it comes tae with Whom..or as tae Where ye Spend Yer Money..



    And that is..



    If it Suits.. YOU!



    Case Closed.





    Still.. Laughin’

  31. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Getting old.



    Final games played simultaneously.




    Wife due back in 5 mins. I will tell her I came back early from bier garten as I missed her terribly so and insist that the TV stays off.