Stewart Gilmour was angry a year ago when Scottish Football League clubs offered Newco Rangers a place in the Third Division, rejecting a proposal to parachute them into the First Division, saying “This is horrific news for St Mirren Football Club. The consequences are terrible, catastrophic even.
“The St Mirren board will meet in the days after that SPL meeting and decide what is the best way forward but we are already looking at major redundancies [no they weren’t].
“Unfortunately, the people in the SFL have not bought into that [proposal to put Newco in the First Division]. I just hope they realise the damage they have done to Scottish football.”
I. Just. Hope. They. Realise. What. Damage. They. Have. Done. To. Scottish. Football.
Few could understand his anger at the time. Gilmour voted against parachuting Newco into the SPL, perhaps left with little choice by their fans and his fellow directors, so it was bizarre he felt comfortable criticising others for doing exactly what he did.
Nothing has changed. Gilmour wanted Newco in the second tier of Scottish football a year ago and he wants exactly the same now. This is the Great Blue Hope.
Newco prophesised the failure of Scottish football without them at the head. Now, with Gilmour’s assistance, their projections look less foolish.
I make no personal judgement on Gilmour. If I was an SPL club chairman and Celtic needed me to vote one way to enable their financial survival, I would do it without question. We are football people and this is how we are wired. The club of the heart comes first.
It’s too late to salvage Newco. Invitations to a newly formed second tier are a fantasy, but you can set your watch on a forthcoming media campaign backing the idea. We shall not be moved.
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bawsman
16:59 on 16 April, 2013
Can I Have Raspberry On That Champions League Ice Cream
16:56 on
16 April, 2013
Yes, you can buy bottles of water in the ground
Cheers, that means he’ll be wanting the lavy every 10 minutes.
Briandamage @Briandamge64 1h @corsica1968 @HenryClarson @campsiejoe @ImGarry88 It could be as simple as Gilmour being an arch-zombie. Still cut up they started in SFL3
BMCUWP
Will do and I would love to buy both you and Voguepunter a pint or three sometime and not that cyber pash either! Sweet dreams to you and I’ll raise a glass to this wonderful and unique site, thank goodness for CQN
I can say for sure I’ve missed Declan more than I’ve missed the HUN
And, if I do miss them, well, I’ll reload and fire again.
From @MTH via twitter.
The SPL teams won’t entertain StM, RC or Sevco plans for anything now. Bridges have been well and truly burned.
Senga
Rest assured if you accompany BMCUW and VP to a hostelry it will indeed be you who’s buying!!
Ntassoolla
Anywhere licensed to sell alcohol must serve tap water free of charge.
Total rubbish or are you speaking for the UK ONLY ?
Saints club statement
Further to yesterday’s SPL Club meeting held at Hampden Park, St Mirren FC is extremely disappointed by the comments of certain clubs’ representatives and some journalists towards our club and seeks to clarify our position.
We made it perfectly clear in our statement issued last week that we were against the league structure proposed and also that of the proposed 11-1 voting system. It would appear that certain individuals have tried to move this round to being only an objection to the voting structure. Please read our statement of last Monday (see below*) for clarity of this. Both of these items were our primary issues with the proposals.
The following resolutions are described as Qualified Resolutions in the proposed rules and require an 11-1 vote to change:-
– Retaining home gate receipts
– League restructuring
– Distribution model of finance
– Squad size
– Under 21 rules
– Season start date
– Numbers of home live TV matches
– Salary capping
You will probably be aware that during the meeting a proposal to change one of these Resolutions, namely the League Restructuring section, was brought to the table by two clubs who suggested reducing this to a 75% majority ie 9-3.
As this was only part of the Qualified Resolutions this was not acceptable to St Mirren. The items in this section require to be changed completely to a 9-3 level of voting, excepting the retention of home gate receipts which would be totally unfair to the larger clubs. We are also happy to contract that no club shall have more live home TV matches than anyone else.
This democratic set up in the SPL is one that has been in place since its inception and has proved not to be fit for purpose, hence our objection to it. It is ironic that this is what has stopped the proposal going forward.
However, clubs have the right to vote as they see fit and directors have a legal responsibility to look after the interests of their club, a criticism that appears to be directed towards St Mirren. It should be highlighted that Aberdeen could have indeed changed this voting structure last year had they seen fit to vote with their fellow clubs. That is their decision and we respect that, however before being critical of others they should possibly take stock of their previous decision not to allow this change to go forward.
While on the subject of criticism, we find it hard to accept other Football Clubs telling us how to vote on football matters, or indeed questioning our motives. It is the right of all Clubs to make their own decisions and other Clubs should respect this.
We are being accused of self interest. Is that the self interest in consulting with our supporters and staff prior to the board making this decision? If so, we are guilty. We are very grateful for all the messages of support we have received not just from our own fans but also from supporters of many other clubs who did not wish this proposal to go ahead. We firmly believe in our heart and in our head that this is the correct decision for Scottish Football.
St Mirren Football Club are still intent on change in Scottish Football within a system for all 42 clubs. We wish to make it very clear that we have no SPL 2 agenda. We believe that that is not the way forward.
It should be noted that at the start of yesterday’s meeting we asked clubs to consider revisiting the proposal before the meeting. Our suggestion was that we looked at the following compromise;
– One League Body
– All Through Financial Distribution Model
– Introducing a Play Off Place
– A Voting Structure of 75% of the Top League Clubs having to agree.
(Subject to an agreement re home gates and the number of home live TV matches)
Some clubs were willing to discuss this and hopefully come to a compromise.
Regrettably this was rejected by a majority of clubs who wished to only stick to the all or nothing proposal.
There have been suggestions of influence on our Board by other clubs. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Board of St Mirren has only the interests of St Mirren and Scottish Football at the centre of their attention.
Finally, St Mirren FC hope that all 42 Clubs can get round the table in the very near future to progress the formation of one league body and the all through financial distribution model as the first steps to finding the best league format to encompass the views of Clubs, supporters, sponsors and all other people involved in Scottish Football.
On behalf of the Board of Directors of St Mirren Football Club
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League Restructure – Statement 8th April 2013*
After a very studied consideration of the Structure, Articles of Association, Rules and Shareholders Agreement, the Board of St Mirren Football Club have decided that they will be unable to support the motion at next Monday’s Meeting of SPL Clubs regarding this proposal for League Reconstruction.
This view has been taken after careful thought regarding this proposal including engagement with fans and the views of our coaching staff.
The principles of a new league structure, single league body and all through distribution model are part of many aspects of this we fully support, however the proposal as presented does not, in our view, move the game forward.
The concept of playing 22 games prior to breaking into three leagues of eight, including the middle eight losing their points gained in the first series of games, is not a system we see as taking the game forward in the long term. You will be aware that other countries have tried this system and have since rejected such a set up.
We also feel that this system is not fair to fans who buy into their club by way of a season ticket, who are then unsure of what they are purchasing. It is also against the basic wishes of the fans for larger leagues as highlighted in all recent fan surveys.
In the proposed rules the voting structure is remaining, in all items that are of importance, an 11-1 vote. In our opinion, this is fundamentally wrong in any structure and is the principle reason why Scottish League Football has not been able to restructure prior to this time, a view St Mirren have held for some time.
The restriction on any change for three years is also very much against our view. When engaging with any new rule book there will always be oversight and anomalies that need to be revised on an annual basis.
An area St Mirren are very uncomfortable with is the lock down on various financial rules. The credibility of Scottish Football has been tarnished badly in recent times by financial mismanagement and the time has come for strong financial rules to be in place.
Another concern to us is the hard line taken by some in certain areas, like season start date, home-grown talent, under-21 rules. This is not an exhaustive list, however we do think these items require negotiation for the betterment of Scottish Football in general.
We also do not accept that this is a take it or leave it situation. We do wish to keep working towards one organisation, an all through distribution model and getting closer to our supporters’ wishes of a larger league, while being fully aware of the commercial and financial pressures of operating a football club.
On behalf of the Board of Directors of St Mirren Football Cl
HT
Good grief how many tight sods post on this site? Just as well I’m a retired pickpocket…..
Ive got a SB…i know theres a ballot for cup final tickets….i was there on on sunday…do i stand a good chance of getting a ticket for the final…or would i have needed to attend prevous rounds ???
From @notonewco2013
If nothing underhand went down yesterday then why did a Sevco a div 3 SFL club make a statement defending 2 clubs who voted no?
#Strange
A cut of our gate money is what Gilmour was after too.
Topkat
This idea of a ballot is nonsense. It’ll be based on attendance at previous SC ties.
The fact that you attended the semi should put you in with a good shout.
senga
Don’t listen to HT,I’ve been in his local (standing at bar)he lurks at the door for a quick exit.
There must be no accomodations with any other proposal for league reconstruction now, the leagues should be as before the 12 12 18 was rejected, how can an associate member have such influence and what was the cost?
Bit by bit Scottish football has to address the influence of sevco allies within Scottish footballing authorities and root them out, one pro football body would be a start but not drawn from anything that exists here as it has been seen to accomodate sevco, yes even when guilty of undeclared payments for 11 years which were deemed to have given them no advantage, in my opinion this is totally corrupt and they dont care.
hen1rik
Why are Sevco making statements on anything when they don’t have a full membership of anything except Asda and Govan Bingo…
HT-Like you I don’t have any faith in our Masonic cabal,i hope the Financial Services Authority,Serious Fraud Squad or similar can deal with Challs and Sevco.HH
Voguepunter
I know his type!
Can I Have Raspberry On That Champions League Ice Cream
Yes you can buy water but the put into a paper cup.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors 16:17
Did greengo hoodwink (dupe) the st midden chairbam into voting ‘no’, in the deluded hope that it would damage Scottish Football to the extent that sevco would be fastracked…?
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We know Gilmour met and spoke peronally with Green and McCoist after last year’s vote. Green then came out and said that he felt that not all of the clubs really wanted to “vote them out” but were pushed into it. I guess we can deduce that St Mirren were one of those.
What they discussed we can only guess…….
Have to spare under 13 tickets for Sunday. Free to a good home. Section102, gates 9-13. Father in law has bought tickets for my kids but forgot to ask me if I already had them.
2 spare.
voguepunter
16:57 on
16 April, 2013
Dontbrattbakkinanger
16:56 on
16 April, 2013
When the Maracana [est capacity 200,000] was built for the 1950 WC there were no toilet facilities.
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Just like Manchester city centre.
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When the Huns were in town the City Centre was one big toilet.
googybhoy ♥ Celtic
One flush of Biblical proportions would have been handy.
Afternoon everyone. if you attended the FAC rally could you put and x after your name on the list below, FoCUS have asked;-) its for the magazine article, honest.
Could anyone who did attend but isn’t on the list please add their name to the end, appreciated.
Doc, The Bhoy Jinky, BT, Johann Murdoch, Cowiebhoy & Miss Cowieghirl, mighty tim, WDH, TenMenWonTheLeague, Catman, FourGreenFields, FourGreenFields Jnr (16), Four Green Fields Jnr Jnr (10), Murdochauldandhay, MWD, Mini MWD, Troon Tim, daviebhoy1965, Eurochamps67, Richie, Vmhan, Neganon, Palacio67, sipsini, gerry123, leftclicktic, SwanseaBhoy, Hamiltontim, Jonathan from Perth Australia, Minx1888, Vale Bhoy, Gallagher, KevJungle, Roy Croppie, Timabhouy, Gordon 64, voguepunter, Willy O ,the bold Fenian Mhan (lurker), petec, Aidan (12), Celticrollercoaster, Mrs CRC, Caityrollercoaster, Deccyrollercoaster, Miss Doc,oKaren, Martin (16), Dominic (8), Hail Hail, SOAL, Fred C. Dobbs, BHOYS IN SPIRIT, bognor bhouyle, Glasgow Dave, Frae, alibalif, Mr alibalif, stairheedrammy, 67heaven, Timabhouy, Oldtim67, dim sam, Jungle Jim, bamboo, Che, Shaunbhouy29, Dontpatmadug(+3), mic1888, The Bhoy from Oz and Junior, Embramike, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Gourockemeraldbhoy plus jnr and 3 pals,praecepta, Senor Pablo Diablo plus one, Big Georges Fan Club, plus Wee BGFC, plus Princess BGFC
I can confirm the following, Doc, Miss Doc, Cowiebhoy, MWD, Mini MWD, CelticRollerCoaster, Mrs CRC, CaityRollerCoaster, DeccyRollerCoaster, HamiltonTim, Minx1888, The Bhoy Jinky, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Roy Croppie, Tenmenwontheleague, Palacio67, KevJungle, EmbraMike, Neganon, OldTim67, FourGreenFields, Mouldy67, BJMac, VMhan,
Please add your name if your were there, on this list or not. If I met you and missed your name, sorry, so many names and faces on the day.
Declan= The Zombiefied Joshybhoy.
TT
Doc.
Was I standing beside you?
dessybhoy @17:17 the SPL is a straightforward business contract of 10 years duration. Enforceable in court.
Parties to this contract do not have to explain to anyone the rationale behind their voting.
No matter what might be uncovered about why someone voted as they did, there is nothing that can be done to change that vote.
No matter our suspicions, we just have to lump it.
Doc
You must remember me ,I was the ghuy handing you a tenner with elastic band attached
a la Topcat.
Gordon 64 and Willy O ,the bold Fenian Mhan (lurker) also attended.hh
VP
I stand near the door because it’s the furthest point from the toilet!!
HT
Fair point :O(
Bada
We thought we could count on the integrity of the judiciary in LNS, look what happened there. I wouldn’t hold your breath.
Having met the man , and admired his resolute defence of his team.
It is a disappointment to me that Edward Ursus no longer posts on the site.
I left to surmise that he no longer has the stomach for defending his Rangers allegiances.
I think that he has explained that he now spends his time supporting an Ayrshire junior side.
Not much difference between that and Sevco anyway.
Will he come out from behind the skirtings if Sevco ever get back into top flight football?
Or has he fallen permanently into the non – discussion of football abyss , that a few Oldco fans I know have.
TT
Che, VP, sorted.
Afternoon everyone. if you attended the FAC rally could you put and x after your name on the list below, FoCUS have asked;-) its for the magazine article, honest.
Could anyone who did attend but isn’t on the list please add their name to the end, appreciated.
Doc, The Bhoy Jinky, BT, Johann Murdoch, Cowiebhoy & Miss Cowieghirl, mighty tim, WDH, TenMenWonTheLeague, Catman, FourGreenFields, FourGreenFields Jnr (16), Four Green Fields Jnr Jnr (10), Murdochauldandhay, MWD, Mini MWD, Troon Tim, daviebhoy1965, Eurochamps67, Richie, Vmhan, Neganon, Palacio67, sipsini, gerry123, leftclicktic, SwanseaBhoy, Hamiltontim, Jonathan from Perth Australia, Minx1888, Vale Bhoy, Gallagher, KevJungle, Roy Croppie, Timabhouy, Gordon 64, voguepunter, Willy O ,the bold Fenian Mhan (lurker), petec, Aidan (12), Celticrollercoaster, Mrs CRC, Caityrollercoaster, Deccyrollercoaster, Miss Doc,oKaren, Martin (16), Dominic (8), Hail Hail, SOAL, Fred C. Dobbs, BHOYS IN SPIRIT, bognor bhouyle, Glasgow Dave, Frae, alibalif, Mr alibalif, stairheedrammy, 67heaven, Timabhouy, Oldtim67, dim sam, Jungle Jim, bamboo, Che, Shaunbhouy29, Dontpatmadug(+3), mic1888, The Bhoy from Oz and Junior, Embramike, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Gourockemeraldbhoy plus jnr and 3 pals,praecepta, Senor Pablo Diablo plus one, Big Georges Fan Club, plus Wee BGFC, plus Princess BGFC
I can confirm the following, Doc, Miss Doc, Cowiebhoy, MWD, Mini MWD, CelticRollerCoaster, Mrs CRC, CaityRollerCoaster, DeccyRollerCoaster, HamiltonTim, Minx1888, The Bhoy Jinky, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Roy Croppie, Tenmenwontheleague, Palacio67, KevJungle, EmbraMike, Neganon, OldTim67, FourGreenFields, Mouldy67, BJMac, VMhan, Che, VoguePunter(who still owes me a fiver)
Please add your name if your were there, on this list or not. If I met you and missed your name, sorry, so many names and faces on the day.
I can confirm the following, Doc, Miss Doc, Cowiebhoy, MWD, Mini MWD, CelticRollerCoaster, Mrs CRC, CaityRollerCoaster, DeccyRollerCoaster, HamiltonTim, Minx1888, The Bhoy Jinky, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Roy Croppie, Tenmenwontheleague, Palacio67, KevJungle, EmbraMike, Neganon, OldTim67, FourGreenFields, Mouldy67, BJMac, VMhan, Mighty Tim,
HH
Che, VP, sorted.
Afternoon everyone. if you attended the FAC rally could you put and x after your name on the list below, FoCUS have asked;-) its for the magazine article, honest.
Could anyone who did attend but isn’t on the list please add their name to the end, appreciated.
Doc, The Bhoy Jinky, BT, Johann Murdoch, Cowiebhoy & Miss Cowieghirl, mighty tim, WDH, TenMenWonTheLeague, Catman, FourGreenFields, FourGreenFields Jnr (16), Four Green Fields Jnr Jnr (10), Murdochauldandhay, MWD, Mini MWD, Troon Tim, daviebhoy1965, Eurochamps67, Richie, Vmhan, Neganon, Palacio67, sipsini, gerry123, leftclicktic, SwanseaBhoy, Hamiltontim, Jonathan from Perth Australia, Minx1888, Vale Bhoy, Gallagher, KevJungle, Roy Croppie, Timabhouy, Gordon 64, voguepunter, Willy O ,the bold Fenian Mhan (lurker), petec, Aidan (12), Celticrollercoaster, Mrs CRC, Caityrollercoaster, Deccyrollercoaster, Miss Doc,oKaren, Martin (16), Dominic (8), Hail Hail, SOAL, Fred C. Dobbs, BHOYS IN SPIRIT, bognor bhouyle, Glasgow Dave, Frae, alibalif, Mr alibalif, stairheedrammy, 67heaven, Timabhouy, Oldtim67, dim sam, Jungle Jim, bamboo, Che, Shaunbhouy29, Dontpatmadug(+3), mic1888, The Bhoy from Oz and Junior, Embramike, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Gourockemeraldbhoy plus jnr and 3 pals,praecepta, Senor Pablo Diablo plus one, Big Georges Fan Club, plus Wee BGFC, plus Princess BGFC
I can confirm the following, Doc, Miss Doc, Cowiebhoy, MWD, Mini MWD, CelticRollerCoaster, Mrs CRC, CaityRollerCoaster, DeccyRollerCoaster, HamiltonTim, Minx1888, The Bhoy Jinky, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Roy Croppie, Tenmenwontheleague, Palacio67, KevJungle, EmbraMike, Neganon, OldTim67, FourGreenFields, Mouldy67, BJMac, VMhan, Che, VoguePunter(who still owes me a fiver), Gordon 64 and Willy O ,the bold Fenian Mhan (lurker) also attended,
Please add your name if your were there, on this list or not. If I met you and missed your name, sorry, so many names and faces on the day.
I can confirm the following, Doc, Miss Doc, Cowiebhoy, MWD, Mini MWD, CelticRollerCoaster, Mrs CRC, CaityRollerCoaster, DeccyRollerCoaster, HamiltonTim, Minx1888, The Bhoy Jinky, Jobo Baldie plus mini, Roy Croppie, Tenmenwontheleague, Palacio67, KevJungle, EmbraMike, Neganon, OldTim67, FourGreenFields, Mouldy67, BJMac, VMhan, Che, VoguePunter(who still owes me a fiver), Gordon 64 and Willy O ,the bold Fenian Mhan (lurker) also attended, MightyTim.
“ntassoolla @ 17:05 on 16 April, 2013
Anywhere licensed to sell alcohol must serve tap water free of charge.”
Absolute bunkum again, disguised as authoritative knowledge.