Before digesting news reports that Dave King is set to return to Scottish football as a director of Newco Rangers, it’s probably worth a caveat. Today’s ‘news’ has the same heritage as pretty much every false steer emanating from Ibrox over the past decade. Honest Dave King may well hope to take over at Ibrox but I could just as easily believe he has no intentions of getting involved.
Two months ago King accepted liability for 41 counts of contravening the South African Income Tax Act, while agreeing to pay the resultant bill, the equivalent of £46m. By act of sheer comic genius he is being heralded as the most appropriate person to take control of Newco Rangers, the club brought about by the disastrous income tax affairs of Oldco Rangers, while King was on the board.
Lord Nimmo Smith prevaricated on some issues in his report into Oldco but he was unequivocal in his condemnation of the directors, including King. South African judge, Brian Southwood, described King as a “glib and shameless liar” in 2011.
In every practical sense this man is a perfect fit for the Rangers group of clubs. Every scrap of information available on how he conducts his affairs screams ‘Rangers tradition’.
As for Fit and Proper? Don’t make me quote a second judge!
In the event the SFA have to make a Fit and Proper decision on King they will have to consider Nimmo Smith’s view. It is not even remotely credible that the SFA are competent to rule on King while their president was subject to the same criticism from Nimmo Smith (although Judge Southwood provides a convenient out).
The narrative being peddled today is a final throw of the dice by some, nothing more. ‘A guy will hunn’ers of millions is coming in to make everything OK’. Aye, sure thing.
Sean Fallon: Celtic’s Iron Man:
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BMCUW
That’s because you’re too busy missing trains :-)
Paul,
Have you clicked on the ad for E-Lites lately ??
Half way down the page there is a news bulletin concerning a deid club.
You should click on ‘read more’ and peruse the text.
Somebody (You ?) should put them right about their ‘facts’.
H.H.
leftclicktic oscar in our thoughts
13:27 on 11 October, 2013
Seen on TSFM site last night
Till laters all
Good who’s who of the duped and dupers……………
List Of Tycoons That Never Bought The RFC via Bobbymurdoch of @huddleboard David Burnside [Mar 2007] UUP (cont) http://tl.gd/n_1rpk22p
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I’m still in tears laughing at that.
Brilliant, can’t wait for the next couple of paragraphs.
HH
Couple of wee links to share lads and lassies.
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/in-need-of-an-education/
and this …
The latest laugh out loud moment from our friends at the Laughing Academy across town.
http://www.rangersmegastore.com/team-rubber-duck-845088?colcode=84508806
One Rangers Media poster (amongst many reacting with fury) has described this as a “sectarian duck.”
They are quackers.
Son to father… “Da”
Father to son… “Yes my bhoy”
Son to father… “Cheese on toast?”
scottishleaf
15:05 on 11 October, 2013
‘For the record I have not argued that a separate Scotland would hasten a United Ireland.
In all my posts I have argued that I am hopeful a vote on independence and a Yes result may galvanise support for an all-Ireland referendum on unification.’
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You’re ‘hoping’ that Scotland leaving the UK would persuade the Protestant population in the north of Ireland to give up their veto on a united Ireland.
That’s not remotely realistic.
e-Lites?
Give us back ‘World of Tanks’
Personality will I think play a big part in how many people vote. Although Salmond is probably the most able politician in Scotland, there can be no doubt that many people will vote NO because (a) They simply can’t stand him and/or (b) They think that a YES vote will install Salmond as some sort of life-long North Korean style leader.
On the other hand many will vote YES because David Cameron is a posh tosser or because it would be the equivalent of a custard pie in the face of the weeping sore that is Alastair Darling.
The decision next year is bigger than any of these chumps.
James Forrest @15:19,
My son’s company does the Rangers website, Will make sure he’s not been a naughty boy:-)
Hail Hail
Chairbhoy
15:31 on
11 October, 2013
It’s just a re-skinned version of the sportsdirect site. By re-skinned I mean they’ve used a rangers mega store logo instead of the sportsdirect one.
I’d be amazed if there was even the slightest involvement from RIFC at all. I bet they don’t even get income from it.
Don’t fancy an independent Scotland – not one bit. Scratch below the surface of every Yes argument and you come up with a handful of smoke with or without the mirrors. The whole pre referendum project is a case in point – regressive taxation, FE colleges starved to fund free university tuition, a partial system of justice and a jam tomorrow welfare programme to fund bus passes for elderly millionaires.
And don’t think the Salmond gang are not ruthless. When he decided that the Catholic vote wasn’t worth courting any more he reverted to type and pandered shamelessly to Bigot Scotland.
An independent Scotland will return to its roots. And these roots are narrow minded, secretive and sometimes bigoted.
11 October, 2013
scottishleaf
15:05 on 11 October, 2013
‘For the record I have not argued that a separate Scotland would hasten a United Ireland.
In all my posts I have argued that I am hopeful a vote on independence and a Yes result may galvanise support for an all-Ireland referendum on unification.’
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You’re ‘hoping’ that Scotland leaving the UK would persuade the Protestant population in the north of Ireland to give up their veto on a united Ireland.
That’s not remotely realistic.
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Sorry Ernie but that isn’t even close to being an accurate reflection of what my hopes are.
James Forrest ….chapeau sir! great read …..so yer basically saying ,stupid stupid Huns? ………..braw!
greendreamz
“But change inspires change.
American wars of independance – > French revolution
Indian Independance -> Uhuru”
I would remove the French Revolution from that list because its character was wholly different and involved no element of colonialism. One small example would be Lafayette, who assisted the American Revolution but went home “inspired” to serve in the National Guard defending the Ancien Regime, before reluctantly changing sides and trying to ride the tiger.
I doubt the 3 other events inspired each other. There is a long gap between 1776 and 1947 so any inspiration was slow perculating. With the exception of Liberia (independent in 1847), the majority of African countries won independence from 1951(Libya) to 1980 (Zimbabwe), though South Sudan has since broken away from Sudan itself.
I think that view of influence of the Scottish referendum on Ireland is a dead line of argument.
Good to see reports that Dylan McGeoch played well with the U-21s last night. This is a crucial year for him to see if he can do what Paul McGowan failed to do and break through to a run of senior appearances. It may be too late for him to benefit from a loan (to an English club, preferably) but, if we are ever to recoup a transfer fee if he does not breakthrough, a loan (in England) might tempt some money.
Weeminger @ 15:37,
Yes your right, just got a text back from him, they stopped doing it when Sports Direct took over the bust JJB.
Classic!
Hail Hail
fritzsong
My mother has a bus pass that she relies on in her everyday life. As do her friends. I must ask her where she is concealing those millions!
The anti-independence scaremongering is, so far, worthy of a Paul Dacre rag and any right of reply diminished and/or rubbished out of hand in a disingenuous/arrogant fashion by some who speculate on the future from an identical knowledge base – but insist that their view of the dystopia to come is somehow the only correct one.
I was undecided until now. I’d expand my reasoning/logic, but mobile keyboard too small. Succinctly – I hope it’s a Yes.
ListenandlearnCSC HH
I’m pretty darn sure I saw The Hunners a Millions open for Dave King and the Tax Beaters at the Ole Burns Howff. They had a intermission where you bought a raffle ticket. There was no prize or draw – you just bought a raffle ticket…
Personally I believe an Independent Scotland would make Irish Unification more attainable. The monolithic structure of the United Kingdom would be broken, the burden of maintaining the 6 Counties (Because it is a burden on the UK structure) would be falling on narrower shoulders. The nearest Geographical Land mass would change, the Scottish Presbyterian is the closest UK citizen to the Ulster Orangeman. They would be no longer fellow citizens. I know the Ulster Unionists greatly fear an Independent Scotland, what they fear, I like.
The English see us as deep fried Mars bar eating subsidy monkeys.
Vote ‘No ‘ to annoy them.
The Englands are playing proper kickball against the Galacticos of Montenegro tonight. Alan Shearer is ‘Hopeful but not confident…’
Spanish game it is then…
A lot of folk are asking where lifelong Sevco fan Dave king got his money from
Simple
He won the Cross Bar Challenge.
what did the duck actually say.
any click to the link says “product not found”
DBBIA
You came into my thoughts yesterday while I was in the middle of a lesson.
We were discussing the pros/cons of thee ole wind farm :-)
Allez les Verts:
AS Saint- Etienne said Friday that it has acquired the famous square post, symbols of the defeat of the Greens in the final of the European Champion Clubs’ Cup in 1976 at Hampden Park in Glasgow against Bayern Munich ( 1 – 0 ) .
These posts have long replaced traditional posts, metal , round , will join the future museum of the ASSE whose inauguration is scheduled for December 21. It will be located in one of the renovated stands Geoffroy- Guichard stadium.
They were previously stored in the museum’s Scottish football at Hampden Park and belonged to a Scottish shareholders pool to which he was paid a sum of 20,000 euros.
” We are working on the museum for more than ten years. These posts are a little square symbol that final in 1976 that created an emotional between the French and Saint- Etienne .
People remember the epic and AS down the Champs-Elysées. this is a very powerful symbol . Everybody talks about it and we said that we would acquire . They will be delivered shortly. we will make a small demonstration on this occasion, “said President Roland Romeyer .
Ally le Bear:
I can sell ye a bicycletté fur, eh, 825 millé euros.
It’s worth plus, si je suis honest ! Minty conditionné.
What vous say?
Excellent read by @corsica1968 Letter to Peter Lawell & why he was returning his Celtic scarf given to him in 1976. http://t.co/oBUTiVpwDV
Breaking the family bond
The following is a letter I wrote to Peter Lawwell and the board of Celtic Football Club in April 2013. I have decided to post it now because I believe we are at the final end-game in the Rangers/Sevco switcheroo; a sham and a conspiracy that was planned several years ago and which has been allowed and, indeed, positively encouraged by the football authorities with the tacit and possibly express acquiescence of clubs including Celtic FC. We all know the actors, we all know the story and we are all the victims – every Scottish football fan, even Rangers fans.
Dear Peter
Please find enclosed my Celtic football scarf that was given to me by my mother in 1976. I am sending it to you and the Board of Celtic as a token of my disgust at the farce that is Scottish football and, Rangers Football Club, in particular.
I grew up in Glasgow within hearing distance of Celtic Park and would, until I was allowed to go to games, stand on European nights on Edinburgh Road watching the lights gleaming in the night sky and listening to the roar of the crowd; the thunder, as our manager so eloquently put it. That little piece of ground was my dreamworld; the home of Jinky, Buzzbomb, Caeser, Bertie, Big Tam and before them Johnny Thompson, Patsy Gallagher, Jimmy McGrory and Charlie Tully. As the 70s progressed, I found new heroes: Johnny Doyle, Kenny Dalglish, Shuggy Edvalson, Roy Aitken, Danny McGrain and then the Maestro, Big Packie, Chicken George, Charlie Nic, through to Henke, Lubo, Big Bobo and Naka.
But these were more than heroes; they were legends, they were icons, they were colossuses who could transport you into a different world like Greek myths of old. And so was their hunting ground; Celtic Park. Because it wasn’t just a football ground. It was a home; and a safe home. Sure we’d lose the odd game but we always knew it was our Paradise. It was a place where we could hope and pray and dream. And as our old fundamental beliefs and anchorage points – jobs, Church, Ireland – began to disappear in the face of an economic and secular maelstrom, Celtic Park gave our community that rallying point, that safe anchorage. No matter that some of us were spat on and attacked and abused for our religious beliefs or ethnicity or footballing allegiance, Celtic Park was our communal refuge where no one could touch us.
So I grew up dreaming. At first, I dreamt I was Jinky, then King Kenny, then the maestro. I wanted to play for the club so much, I used to walk to Barrowfield to watch the Boys Club train until I finally got a chance. Nobody could ever describe that feeling when you pull on that jersey for the first time. It was electric. It was awe-inspiring. It made me – a daft wee Glasgow boy – the king of the world. I was Samson, I was Hercules, I was Ulysses. Dare I say it, I was Jinky, I was Caeser, I was the Maestro. A gladiator stepping out to do battle for good against evil. A legend. I was one of them. A hero.
No matter that I wasn’t good enough to make a career as a footballer; I had worn that jersey, I had lived the dream.
Time went on and I left Glasgow and Scotland to seek work; thankfully exiled from the painful years. But by God, you should’ve seen the tears and the party on 9th May 1998 in a wee corner of Cornwall listening to a very tinny BBC Radio.
And in those exile years, through houses and jobs and girlfriends, one thing remained constant; my love for Celtic. It may sound like a cliche but it IS more than a football club. Celtic has been the inspiration for my life and work; it is an expression of my upbringing, culture, society, hopes and aspirations. The Club’s founding and abiding principles of charity, social enterprise, fair play, equality and social responsibility have inspired and guided my life and career such that my career has been entirely focussed on helping those at greatest disadvantage in society. And I know I am not alone. Brother Walfrid didn’t just start a football club, he galvanised a community and inspired millions.
Now we discover through a multitude of objective evidence that Rangers have cheated for at least 11 years on an unprecedented scale in British, if not world, sport. And worse, the authorities propose to let them off with no more than a slap on the wrist as if they’ve been caught chewing gum in the classroom?
Let’s be honest, this is far greater than Lance Armstrong or Ben Johnson or any other of the cheats who have dragged sport into the gutter. This was a deliberate and calculated act designed to place one club, and one club alone, at the pinnacle of Scottish football over a sustained 11-year period with ne’er a thought for any other club or, indeed, the collective interests of Scottish football. The only parallel I can find is the systematic performance-enhancement programme carried out by the former East German athletics.
I watched in disbelief last summer as the authorities tried their best to somehow shoehorn a new club into the SPL in the face of justice, integrity, precedent and the rules. I was reassured then by the club’s stance, believing the club was right to say as little as possible to prevent vested interests turning it into a Celtic-Rangers battleground that would distract from reality.
I won’t go into it in any more detail because you, I, and everyone in Scottish football knows it; Rangers Football Club should have been expelled from the leagues in June 2012 because they were (are in process) liquidated. Good for the fans that a new club has been formed (although disgraceful that they have chosen to continue and even strengthen the sectarianism) however that new club should have applied to join SFL3 and been judged fairly in line with existing SFA/SFL rules in competition with any other applicants such as Spartans, etc.
I now watch in disbelief as the governing bodies decide that 11 years of cheating can be swept under the carpet on the ridiculous notion that over 70 players are not ineligible because their registrations were accepted at the time by the SFA. There is copious dissection of this judgement by some pretty learned people on the internet but we can boil it down to three very simple words: miscarriage of justice.
Yet this is no miscarriage occasioned by mistake or misinterpretation or simple human error. Like the crime itself this is a deliberate and calculated act designed to appease the mob and one single club.
It has been widely reported by the media, and indeed stated by both Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan, that Scottish football needs a strong Rangers to survive. This is, of course, complete and utter tosh. That several Scottish clubs find themselves on the brink of financial ruin is down to several simple issues:
The need to spend large amounts of capital on improving and upgrading their stadiums in light of all-seater rules;
Borrowing said funds from Gavin Masterton at the Bank of Scotland and being ripped off by Masterton and his cronies (including Sir David Murray) with over-priced and over-capacity stadiums;
The cycle of debt which clubs got into by trying to match or at least keep up with the steroid-bloated Rangers created by David Murray on a mountain of unsustainable debt provided by his friend Masterton;
The distorted financial distribution model in Scottish football between the SPL and SFL as well as within the SPL itself;
The financial muscle of the English game since the advent of Sky Sports and the EPL which has driven player salaries across Europe through the roof to unsustainable levels, allied to the implications of the Bosman ruling giving players almost complete power;
The unfettered promotion of the EPL on our doorstep as the “world’s greatest league” and unfettered access to this on TV without any compensation to Scottish football;
The often-poor quality of the product and service for the paying customer;
The ridiculous cost charged by clubs to watch a match coupled with the myriad of alternative ways in which people could spend their money;
Extremely poor governance and management by a large number of clubs, the SFA, SPL and SFL;
Scottish football finding its natural equilibrium within European football based upon (a) its population and (b) the level of investment in football coaching and facilities;
Not one of these issues can ever be solved by “a strong Rangers”. Indeed, given that Rangers were culpable in several of them (I leave others to decide how much of the blame should be laid at their door), it is ridiculous to even begin to suggest that we are all better off with them because it will be worse without them. I call that the “domestic abuse defence”: it is better to keep the abuser within the family as otherwise the family will be destitute. Inother words better to be beaten and abused than to be poor.
But please don’t take my word for it. Look at the emerging figures for attendances at SPL clubs without Rangers this season and then read the annual reports on the state of Scottish football finances by Deloitte LLP; every single one highlights how fans paying at the turnstile are the financial lifeblood of the game in Scotland. Whilst an important source of revenue, television is a bit-part player for all but Celtic.
A friend of mine carried out some analysis based upon figures produced by clubs themselves and which he posted on social media sites. This highlighted how small increases in fans attending games at all clubs would mitigate the loss of Rangers; less than 6% for all clubs, with Motherwell and Kilmarnock requiring the largest increase of 5.5%, and Celtic and Hearts requiring the lowest increase of 1.3%. Those figures are for the entire season not per game.
I think, to be fair, there may be an element of fear at play here: fear of the mob and fear of financial meltdown. However, fear is no reason to paralyse the game. Nor is it reason to kill justice and integrity.
Instead, I can only surmise bigotry and bias; that certain people within the authorities have deliberately done what they could to ensure the survival of Rangers FC and, when this was not possible, done everything they could to pretend that the new club are the old club contrary to every rule within the book and even UK and Scots law. Would they have done the same for any other club? Absolutely not; one only has to look at Dunfermline, Airdrieonians, Gretna, Livingston, etc or even our own club in 1994 to see the answer.
That the authorities twisted and turned and ignored every rule in the book and the very spirit of the laws have led us to this point where we have a new club pretending to be the old club when and where it suits them and will be given every help required to facilitate their entry to the SPL and avoid punishment. It is incredible beyond belief that the SFA’s own registration compliance officer gave evidence to the inquiry that because Rangers hadn’t declared their use of dual contracts at the time, the contracts that had been submitted were perfectly valid! That is a decision and a judgement worthy of the worst banana republic and kangaroo court, made all the more unpalatable because it fundamentally and fatally killed the case against Rangers.
I ask the question, where will it stop? When they are in the SPL? Or will they require a helping hand to access Champions League monies? What if they struggle in the SPL, will they be relegated? Will they be guaranteed a top six finish to ensure broadcasters and the mob are kept happy?
It needs to stop and it us becoming very clear that only one club has the power and standing to stop it: Celtic. That the board have not done so and have not publicly reassured the fans is, in my eyes, criminal and a dereliction of your duty as stewards and custodians of our club. The perception is that the “Old Firm” pound – with all the sectarian bile, violence and hatred that goes with it – is more important to you than justice and integrity.
As of today, I give up on Celtic because I will not participate in this sham. I have better things to spend my time, emotions and money on. I will not purchase any merchandise. I will not renew my season ticket. I will not attend any games. I will not encourage my children to watch or support Celtic. It breaks my heart but the bond is broken.
It may not die today. It may not die tomorrow. But Scottish football has signed its own death warrant because it is no longer a competitive sport.
Yours regretfully
Alzipratu
The assertion that the No campaign is negative and fear-inducing and the Yes vote is positive and empowering is born of our original perception of the issue.
In the same way that posters on here complain of bullying cliques when their views or views close to them are challenged whilst, at the same time, treating adverse comment and reaction to views they oppose as fair comment and debate, so we attribute qualities we like to the side we support.
If you are a Yes voter, you will see the arguments against your position as undermining your feel-good positivity about independence, and, therefore, stirring up unease and fear.
If you are a No voter you will attribute fear-raising to every Yes argument that portrays negative and fearful consequences to remaining in Union, e.g rule by London, democratic deficit and wasted votes because “thae English will always vote Tory in.”
What the potential No voter sees as SNP fear-raising, the SNP voter will see as fair comment and, in some cases, proven facts (rather than opinions or perceptions).
Equally, the potential Yes voter,interprets what the Better Together Campaign sees as positives (less disruption, costly negotiation, threats to pension) as being craven and fearful in face of a change which they cannot contemplate as being anything but positive and beneficial.
As for me, I am not even convinced by the view that next year is the most important vote we will face in our lifetime. I think more consequential votes lie ahead, if voting is allowed, to determine our global allegiances and whether we become a Vassal state to a super-power bloc (US, EC or China) and that will be a development we must face, whether we are in the UK or in Scotland alone.
I lived through the 1974 campaign when there were a lot fewer “Yes to Independence” campaigners amongst the ranks of the Celtic support. There are a lot of similarities now to then. The most obvious are:-
The campaigning did not do a lot to affect the percentages likely to vote Yes or No, as sampled by polls before and at the event.
Voters complained that they did not have the “facts” on which to judge the issue, as if vital information and facts were being withheld, when all that was missing was yet more rhetoric and opinion.
It was generally recognised that another Independence referendum was off the agenda for, at least, a generation.
corkcelt
16:02 on 11 October, 2013
‘I know the Ulster Unionists greatly fear an Independent Scotland, what they fear, I like.’
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On a scale of 1 to 10 how rational would you say your ordinary Ulster Unionist is?
A Yes vote isnt a vote for Salmond. It is a vote of confidence in Scotland and our ability to grow up and rxploit our talents while tackling our problems. Including masonic bigotry.
Are No voters saying that the tory libdem mob are a better bet? Or Eds Miliband,Balls etc? You won,t get a fairer,more successful Scotlsnd that way. Vote Yes and you create a chance for Scottish Labour to get behind policies that suppprt Scotland not the halfbaked tory nonsense they present at Westminster. Google McCrone Report to see how they conned us last time. If we are such a drain on the Uk, why are they fighting so hard to keep us?
Here’s a cheery wee story about karma.
I got a fare from Milton to Pollok one night. Two guys about 18. They asked me to go to the flats at Balgrayhill which I did. (Thought they were going to buy drugs) I asked them to leave something so as I knew they would be coming back and so they left a fleece jacket. I waited 5 minutes and one of them came back. He opened the back door grabbed the fleece and did a runner. The fare at that point was about 7 quid so I just put it down to experience and drove away. Because it was a radio job I contacted the controller just incase they stiffed anyone else.
I then picked up in Springburn dropping the southside. Just before I dropped the controller contacted me to say the guys who done a runner were on the phone and had they left an iPad in the back of the taxi. Which they had. I don’t know much about them but I gave it to my daughter.
Karma or what.
Let your yeah be yeah,and your no be no?
DBBIA/TrojanRecordsCSC
Hen1rik, I don’t understand your motivation for reproducing this type of reaction on a Celtic Fans website. OK its a well written letter and this guy has walked away from Celtic and has also decided to discourage his kids from supporting Celtic. Are we supposed to put this guy on a pedestal and admire him?. Are you suggesting that we should all follow suit and act accordingly?. Everyone makes their own personal decisions but if this guy walks away from Celtic broken heart or not, I simply don’t want to know about him. Tell me about Bhoys like Jinky who organised the Miki 67 tribute or Lennybhoy or all the foot soldiers on here who are Celtic through and through. They are my heroes.
ulysses mcghee is praying for oscar
16:01 on 11 October, 2013
You get my text text last night?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
corkcelt
16:33 on 11 October, 2013
Timing mate…:)
Just off Train, feet up a wee swally as I am off work until 21st October.
Be on later with update, long walk from station no lift as Mrs LB working late…1,2,3…awe ya wee soul :(
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
leftclicktic oscar in our thoughts
13:37 on
11 October, 2013
Apologies for long C&P
But I dont want thon BMCUW on my case:))
Seen On TSFM But think from HB
Yesdearjustcomingdearcsc
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Great read…..big up.
You couldn’t make it up……….comedy of errors…….PT Barnum “roll up, roll up”
There for the grace of God (and our supporters) go us………….indeed!
Today’s Record is full of Rrrrrreal Rrrrrrrangers men statements. This one is the winner: “Le Guen took us to see Dave King in South Africa. Take away the 10 chefs, 14 servants, a small lake in his back garden and a wine cellar worth more than Green and Whyte put together and what have you got ? Just an ordinary working class guy from Castlemilk.”
Do the fools ever learn or will they lap it up again ?
Lennybhoy
Got your text – I’m in tomorrow – can send or have it waiting on you mate – whatever’s easiest.
U
It’s Friday it’s five o’clock it’s crackerjack