God love Packie Bonner, spend “£20m to £30m to bring those quality players the fans are desperate for”.
There are two opposing world views: one where people call for unaffordable money [those figures would be]to be spent because fans of a football club are “desperate”, the other where people want football clubs to spend what they can afford.
The latter group remember football’s crash-and-liquidate days – and learned the lessons. The former also remember the crash-and-liquidate days, but they are impervious to lessons.
We can debate what the size of an affordable spend is, but a couple of parameters have to be observed:
If it increases the cost base to such an extent that a reversal on the field would plunge the club into financial disarray, it’s unaffordable.
Players need to be appropriate for the environment – with neighbouring clubs earning £100m each season from TV deals, only players of a certain profile will play for a club with a considerably smaller wage bill (and turnover).
We live in a time when Scots Steven Naismith went for £8.5m (1 goal in 9 starts) and Ross McCormack went for £11m. These are common values for this calibre of player. We all want Celtic to improve, but that will not be achieved by spending unsuitable or unaffordable money. Packie, think back to Valentine’s Day 2012 and add a dose of perspective.
Get better at scouting, get fitter, improve the coaching – and spend everything you can afford, not any more. That’s the model for Celtic.
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Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 10th May 2016 2:16 pm
I suspect you are confusing truth with Palestinian propaganda.
Why did Egypt and Jordan not give the “Palestinians” their own state when they occupied Gaza and the West Bank respectively in 1948? Why was there no “Palestinian” liberation movement then? Maybe you should try doing some research yourself?
Fact is, Israel exists and has a right to defend itself. Sometimes it oversteps the mark in doing so, but not as often, I would imagine, as the Leftist/Islamist coalition would have us believe.
And you are not far off the mark – I will never side with Islamic jihadists against any state.
Lennoxtown can work.
But for it to be successful there has to be a path created to integrate talent to first team.
Do we earmark youth as a successor to first teamer?
Are our systems consistent across all teams?
Does first team coach understand his remit also includes a future strategy?
I f he does not then whats the point of a development system?
Chairman
I think Lennoxtown is used more to attract players rather than make them.
State of the art facilities were never available for generations, but we changed policy and we became a buying ( to a fault ) club, lets find out how you bridge the gap for the next Quality Street kids.
HH
“We were told that Simunovic was 50/50 with an ankle injury. Ronny risked him against Malmo and they stamped on his ankle almost immediately! He was deliberately crocked”
Timalloy,
Harsh to blame the manager for a deliberate stamp on a player.
Incidentally Simunovic played over a dozen games after the stamp.
HH
DAMO LENNON on 10TH MAY 2016 2:36 PM
I think you’ll find that the State of Israel has been over the mark on a constant basis since 10th June 1967.
eddieinkirkmichael on 10th May 2016 1:27 pm
All this talk about buying players is great, not convinced myself though as I feel that we need to develops our own and give them a chance if we really want to progress as a club.
*only way to go Eddie, that way we ensure the players want to play for us and do not; a) see us as a move tae the EPL/Championship or b) propping up their pension.
I’m NOT for all out splashing money this summer as I feel there’s a lot of talent within the club, just currently too many players so why add to that.
I also feel the policy of the past few years was made with good intentions while there were no heathens breathing down our neck. We have IMHO the foundations at Lennoxtown and even through the financial crisis are in a good place right now.
Bsr does gardening and posts simultaneously using cutting hedge technology. :)
HH
Weeminger @ 2:28 PM,
Well, you make a very good point.
Guess we would all settle for a KT per season;)
But you would think we could produce more squad players than that. How much have we recently spent (wages/transfers) on imports who don’t even regularly make the bench?
That alone would be a great improvment.
Hail Hail
Hail Hail
Paul-
Your suggestions are top notch.
The operative word, however, is “suggestions”, imply that they are still at this juncture still pie in the sky.
Why our successes of the MON era were not built upon ensuring a generation of automatic last 16 CL qualification is baffling and incompetence at executive levels- a million nicker a year?
Everything you mentioned above should now have been implemented successfully, and we should be vying now with the likes of Benfica as an example, out with the bloated money leagues.
If expectation of Celtic the Team (and not the PLC) competing at the highest levels smacks of entitlement, then so be it.
BSR…
Totally Agree.
GEORDIE MUNRO @ 2:44 PM,
It’ shear brilliance I tell yeah!
Hail Hail
Damo…,
There is no leftist/Islamist coalition, however there is a Zionist/Wahhabi coalition two cheeks of the same arse. Both crazed religious fundamentalists who carry out the same atrocities and justify it as a “god given right”
Egypt and Jordan were both part of the British Empire during the time you are depicting, so I have no idea why you would think they had the power to do anything.
Palestine has been a recognised state since the Greek and Roman Empires, Israel is an invention of the British Empire.
Sorry. I probably shouldn’t make light-hearted comments about such a dire predicament.
weeminger on 10th May 2016 2:44 pm
Having been under constant threat since then, it’s not surprising.
Geordie Munro
Post of the day.
Ole Dudu Duhan must be sleverin’ at the mooth over the idea of us spending 30 million…
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 10th May 2016 2:51 pm
No Leftist/Islamist coalition????? Have you seen the state of the Labour Party?
In 1948, when they seized Gaza and the West Bank neither Egypt nor Jordan were part of the British Empire.
Finally, there has never, ever been an independent state called, “Palestine.” It has never been anything more than a geographical area, like, “Iberia,” or “The British Isles.”
My season book renewal came thru the letterbox this morning. I note I have until the 27th of this month to make up my mind. My heart says renew but my head says wait and see who will be manager. If RD was staying there would be no way I would have. The problem I have is I am off on a cruise this Saturday for two weeks and do not get back until the 28th of May. I cannot see any news of who the new manager will be forthcoming before Saturday. If I leave it and by some miracle the appointment is made whilst I am away, would I still be able to renew late.
GM-VG,a cut above most of today’s stuff……..
Betting has been suspended on Roy Keane becoming our next manager after an avalanche of betting. H.H.
Joe Filippis Haircut on 10th May 2016 3:04 pm
Some bookies had him as high as 20/1 two days ago.
Far too high a price, given what we know about the process last time. Its no surprise many took the bet(myself included) at this price and just in case – not sure it is indicative of any inside info!
HH
Timjim they will let you renew late alright!
No mow puns please
Damo…,
Lied like a true Zionist, refute proven facts and deny written historical records, well done.
Never been a Palestine is that the latest Zionist revisionist claptrap ?
Zionists the propaganda has been unbroken for 5000 years.
The leftists generally support the oppressed, after all that’s where it has most support.
Whether it’s the Jews in Europe in Nazi Germany or the Palestinians under Zionist Israel it’s all the same, people are being murdered ethnically cleansed and oppressed.
Now Mr Netanyahu has recently been found in the Panama papers to have received money from the Saudi rulers deposited into his election campaign, there is the real coalition of religious jihadists.
Spin that please.
Oh and I’m still waiting for that single example of a native population volunteering to be ethnically cleansed from their homes and land, can’t you find one ? Now there’s a surprise, eh
SIN CITY BHOY on 10TH MAY 2016 2:49 PMWhy our successes of the MON era were not built upon ensuring a generation of automatic last 16 CL qualification is baffling and incompetence at executive levels- a million nicker a year?
Its not baffling – the success of the MON era was funded by unprecedented and unsustainable expenditure on the team We were hugely in debt by the end of the season we lost in seville and it was getting worse.
Theres no such thing as automatic last 16 qualification as liverpool, last, and united, this season found out
Tbb,
Which wan? ;p
Bada,
I knew I’d eventually make a decent quip :)
HH
Geordie Munro
“Cutting hedge technology” – Now that made me laugh! Nice one :-))
Roy Keane
Poor track record as a manager but I’d give him benefit of the doubt as I think he’d :
1. Stand up to Lawwell
2. Motivate players
3. Set standards and expectations
Mind you he must have tried these things previously to no real effect.
He then left. So my guess is he’d give its go but have the baws to walk away early if he want getting results.
DAMO LENNON on 10TH MAY 2016 2:53 PM
Do you actually know what I’m referring to?
Celtic40me,
What was unsustainable about it, it was IMO only sustainable if we changed the half the squad every season, had we brought in two similarly priced quality of players a season and lost the same number while keeping the same squad number we would have been quids in.
If its the Roy Keane I’ll renew
TRAD88. The bookies are assuming Celtic have been talking to Roy Keane and that the talks are going well they had him at 4/1 before suspending betting.However we will have to wait and see. H.H.
GM
Too funny.
Don’t know where the came from
Weeminger
Getting one development squad player graduating into the first team each year would represent world class performance – that is, one young player winning a second pro contract as a result of his performances in 1st team.
One every other year is more typical over the longer term. Celtic’s performance is pretty typical. Currently, for example:
Forrest 1991
McGregor 1993
Tierney 1997
Tierney has made the breakthrough ahead of time. It’s a big season ahead for Liam Henderson (1996).
The majority of the promising youngsters who get a look at the first team aged 19-21 earn good careers elsewhere. You can consider the likes of Jackson Irvine, Paul McGowan, Michael Gardyne, Ross Wallace, many more besides, in that group.
There is though a significant difference between developing a professional footballer – which Celtic does with conveyor belt regularity, and developing a Celtic first team player, which is a somewhat more difficult standard to achieve.
Of all the lauded kids from Hibs, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen in recent years – Fyvie, Allan, Goodwillie, Russell, Armstrong, Dempsey, Gauld etc etc – none have made a career at the top level (although Robertson looks good). They were all exciting players for their developing club, all generated good transfer fees, but none (yet) has established themselves as a European club level professional.
Every level is a 9th decile jump from the previous.
We can argue about Bitton’s ability, but the guy is completely gutless. When things are going against us he disappears. He would never get a game with Leicester City.
Unsustainable even
I think DD is a fan of Roy
What “proven facts” have I refuted? What “written historical records” have I denied?
It is simply the case that there has never, ever been an independent state called “Palestine.” The geographical area you call, “Palestine,” was a province of the Roman Empire until it was conquered by the Arabs in the mid-7th Century.
Four centuries later the area was conquered briefly by the First Crusade, then re-conquered by Salah al Din a century later. It was part of Islamic empires, eventually the Ottoman Empire, from then until 1917. It was then handed over to Britain as part of Mandatory Palestine, administered by Britain on behalf of the League of Nations. As I already said, more than half of Mandatory Palestine was handed to the Hashemites by Britain, becoming Transjordan.
The remainder, what is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, was handed over by Britain to the United Nations after WWII. The UN proposed a two-state solution, which was rejected by the Arabs, who attacked the new state of Israel in an attempt to wipe it out, and lost.
That’s a very brief history there, but pray tell how it is essentially incorrect?
And I’ll ask you again – why did the independent states of Egypt and Jordan, which seized Gaza and the West Bank in 1948, not allow the “Palestinians” to set up an independent state of Palestine? Why was there no “Palestinian” campaign for Egypt and Jordan to leave their occupied territories and give self-government to the “Palestinians?”
Do you deny Israel has a right to exist? What is your preferred solution to the conflict?
Please don’t mistake me for a Zionist, which to you is obviously a dirty word. I simply refuse to side with Islamists against anyone, Israel included.