There was a time not so long ago when Jackie McNamara was the next big thing in football management. His fall from a pedestal at Dundee United to inglorious resignation this morning at York City came swiftly, precipitated by the loss of three players to Celtic in 2015.
Stuart Armstrong, Gary Mackay-Steven and Nadir Ciftci were brought to Celtic last year by Ronny Deila. Their departure precipitated United’s fall from competitive a SPL club to relegation candidates a few months into last season, costing Jackie his job in October.
As with a lot in football, there’s more Magic Circle than centre circle going on. What you see happen with players distracts the eye from what’s going on behind the scenes. In April 2015 Dundee United went so far as to issue a statement confirming bonuses were payable to their manager on recent transfers. A manager’s contract is none of our business, it’s exceptional that it was made so, but this gives us an insight into what was going on between the McNamara and United at the time.
Jackie was finished at United from that moment, not that he was blameless. In a few years he took a club brimming with potential and put it on a path to relegation. They will remember him at York City as an unmitigated failure, with few redeeming features.
Resentment brewed at United in the months between Armstrong and Mackay-Steven leaving, and that April statement. He should have left at the time, and should only have made trips to York as a tourist (go, it’s a great city).
His early work at Partick Thistle and United marked him out, but his choice of mentors and collaborators didn’t do him any favours. That United contract worked for him on paper, but it was a burden on his career. He’ll be lucky to pick up as high a profile a job as Thistle or United, which is a pity, as he’s a better manager than his CV currently suggests.
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VFR800A8 on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 10:07 PM
HAMILTONTIM on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:53 PM
You’ll be in Kilmarnock that night then!
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Sadly, yes, so if it’s ok I’ll buy horse 7 in the final race.
GREENPINATA on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 6:29 AM
I`m sure my motivation is the same as yours.
We`re Tims.
Irrespective of our political differences.
We do our best to look after our own.
Never a more important time to have a sound opposition.
Macjay 1 For Neil Lennon.
I have been a Labour voter for donkeys years. Regardless of any merit in policy, it is pure and simply impossible to defend the hypocrisy.
It smacks of elitism by left wing, middle class individuals.
HH.
Word of The Day (With thanks to Joey Barton and Sevco)
cachinnate /ˈkækɪˌneɪt/
verb
1. to laugh loudly
Derived Forms
cachinnatory, adjective
Word Origin
C19: from Latin cacchināre, probably of imitative origin
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Good morning friends from a damp and drizzly East Kilbride. Normality restored.
GREENPINATA on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 6:50 AM
It smacks of elitism by left wing, middle class individuals.
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These are the people who have damaged the aspirations of Labour voters such as yourself.
I mention Barbara Castle for good reason.
The country right now needs a strong united opposition as perhaps seldom before.
And I`ve never voted Labour.
Surprise , shock , horror .
:-)
VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 7:07 AM
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cachinnate …………….. cackle ?
A wee tad onomatopoeic ?
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 11th October 2016 7:16 am
Yes it is, but still a good word to use when explaining to huns: “was reading the latest about Joseph Anthony. I couldn’t help but cachinnate.” Should leave them looking more glakit than usual!
Interesting article from the Telegraph; sadly, hard to dispute. I never bought into Shami Chakrabarti and think her Peerage was a massive gaffe by Corbyn. If she was genuine, she would have refused the honour!
I do think, however, it’s a pretty cheap shot at Tony Benn who fought his whole life against the elitist system, including battling to renounce his own Peerage. IMHO, a very good man and a fantastic orator. My old man once told me he (TB, not my dad) could read a shopping list and make it sound amazing! I have to agree.
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Tobago Street on 10th October 2016 10:42 pm
VFR800A8: I’m also just back from the pub. I’m in for the CQN stakes for a tenner.
T
Ps if there was a half decent cafe here in Kitchener I’d be there!
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So you’ll be stuck with the eponymous Tim Hortons then! Nae luck.
I’ve got a brother in the Kitchener area; did you migrate for a gig at RIM after Motorola went down?
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Barbara Castle.
Number of children. Nil.
Jeez, you’ve got to wonder about hypocrisy when you have imperialists ranting about how a politician want to school their children when they illegally sit in countries decrying immigration, I don’t remember the indigenous population of Australia being consulted on immigration to their country, can anyone enlighten me ?
But because they were slaughtered and given no rights then that’s ok then, that’s how hypocrites truly work. They support political parties who arm our enemies then send our children of to fight thiose same enemies, I suppose it helps control another lie of overpopulation.
Aye hypocrisy is a terrible thing, those who are forced to make the best of the conditions they are forced to endure are labelled hypocrites because they are left little choice but to conform to a system imposed by imperialists who know what’s best to keep them in power and maintain elitism, try to do something about it and it’s the antagonist that’s the hypocrite. Championing equal education opportunities is a commendable aspiration. IMO does not conflict with providing the best available for your children while there is no equal opportunity. Now if those who champion it are in power and do nothing about it while sending their children to to elitist educating establishments that’s a bit different but as yet the Corbyinistas have not had that chance, I for one look forward to them getting that chance. As usual this article expresses only fear of the growing movement in support of Corbyn and his back to the democratic roots of the party. Labelling them hypocrites and extremists is a sure sign the fear is back :)
Barbara Castle.
Enemy of private medicine.
Hospitalised in a private ward.
Hypocrite.
Two great Uni’s here V, I’ve worked at both! Been in this area a long time. Very lucky!
T
Ps and your brother?
East end cafes.wee deli on shettleston rd.eusebi deli, now used as back up to deli by same name as you go into west end.
It was stacked high with pasta and wine on the right, a kitchen straight ahead, all sorts of fresh bread above a dessert counter and all sorts of meat chicken and fish on the left
Jeez amount of times I stopped for a coffee and walked away forty quid down.
HH
Islam Feruz has some very good advice for Karamoko Dembele. He talks about leaving Celtic too soon and hopes Karamoko stays and learns his trade in the first team at Celtic Park.
Wise words to listen to for young Dembele!
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VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 7:47 AM
Tony Benn
( aka Anthony Wedgewood Benn )
Hypocrite.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816554/Benn-s-legacy-hypocrisy-week-revealed-arch-socialist-left-5m-children-none-good-causes-s-just-start-breathtaking-story-riches-tax-avoidance-double-standards.html
Link above disane work: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3831652/Islam-Feruz-wants-13-year-old-Celtic-prodigy-Karamoko-Dembele-learn-mistakes.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Tobago St, he’s been over there for about 15 years; worked for RIM for about 10 years and bailed when he saw them going the wrong direction.
Has recently moved to a new house (usual Canadian stuff – house with acres of land) but I can’t remember precisely where. Just know it’s remote! I’ll check with him and let you know where! A fellow Tim to watch the games with and drink beer at a ridiculously early time of the day?
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VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 8:43 AM
Great respect for young Feruz and good luck to him.
I always had the impression that it was not his head which was turned.
Age fourteen when he left Celtic ?
Macjay –
Feruz was 16 when he left Celtic.
Clubs cannot sign a player on a professional contract until he reaches his 16th birthday.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 11th October 2016 8:41 am
VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 7:47 AM
Tony Benn
( aka Anthony Wedgewood Benn )
Hypocrite.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816554/Benn-s-legacy-hypocrisy-week-revealed-arch-socialist-left-5m-children-none-good-causes-s-just-start-breathtaking-story-riches-tax-avoidance-double-standards.html
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MACJAY, that’s not worthy of you on many levels; firstly, citing the Daily Mail as the bastion of truth and integrity is laughable. It’s a rag worse than any of Murdoch’s publications!
As for Caroline Benn’s legacy to her children, that wasn’t Benn avoiding tax and would (most likely) have been carried out by solicitors executing the estate; Tony Benn would have been unlikely to be involved in any of these decisions.
So he bequeathed the family home as a trust? That would be pretty standard practice with multiple siblings; my own will bequeaths my property to a trust to provide for my grandchildren’s future; nothing to do with tax avoidance.
As for leaving his estate to his family, exactly how does providing for your children make you a hypocrite? I assume you aren’t bequeathing your estate to the Adam Smith Institute? That hardly makes you a hypocrite now, does it?
None of the above said with prejudice of course. :>)
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An Tearmann on 11th October 2016 8:41 am
I know it well; I had been using it for years when I dropped my wife into work from Cumbernauld when my young brother called me to say he had “discovered” a great wee deli in Shettleston. “The Eusabi Deli perchance?” I replied.
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Code of conduct ????
Is that the one where ye, never, never, never, never….
….run greeting to the teacher to try to get sumdy the belt ????
Ye see, grasses / snitchers congregate in cliques.
Cliques are anti-Celtic.
Cliques choose what to be offended by,
Cliques choose to over-look some of the language that is used by certain posters on here, consistently used by the same posters and, they’re ‘not’ Tony Donnelly 67.
The same clique used to try, sleekitly, sneakily, hunnishly to try to get me banned as well and then, came on here looking for pats on the back for being grasses then, when my health issues surfaced….hey presto, the grassing clique ripped up the script and shamelessly tried to make out that they’d been my best buddies all along. One of the main members / pushers of the clique who tried to get me banned, came on here one day, sleekitly posting an extract from a column of the ‘hotline’ in the DR that I used to phone into when Hugh Keevins was in it and, the the extract from the paper had my name and address on it….that was sneaky, hunnish, sleekit.
Ye see, there is only one way to ‘nail’ the grassing. sleekit, clique and, if I could do link things I’d show you.
It is from a Rambo film where, Rambo picks up a mic and says…….
…”I’m coming for you,……Murdoch!”
Source out the clip and, ye’ll get the idea.
Jungle rebels ‘never’ grassed on each other.
But,….sadly….the Jungle rebels are no more.
If anybody replies to this….I’ll respond later.
Going to hospital, back later…..maybe.
Aye……
Vfr/ht
Interesting readind your chat bout Data and its protection.you would be right it would come down to the agreement between Celtic( the company;-) and the polis to police within a certain perimeter for a certain time
Imo if the police ask something in todays climate of our club they get it.as they are in total control during that time.this includes cctv.
Just interested in how the data is used.
But Negs repetition that Celtic give details freely I would argue is wrong as the polis would argue( they cant police properly without it.
I dunno if there is an ombudsman who a fan could write to for clarificationcl on .
HH
Are high profile politicians not typically treated in private because of security issues, after all private institutions are designed with security in mind to keep out the riff raff while public institutions are no so security conscious. The lengths some hypocrites will got to deflect from their own hypocrisy is …well expected I suppose.
MACJAY, that’s not worthy of you on many levels; firstly, citing the Daily Mail as the bastion of truth and integrity is laughable. It’s a rag worse than any of Murdoch’s publications!
Whit ?
:-)
What`s that word again ?
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VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 8:43 AM
Link above disane work: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3831652/Islam-Feruz-wants-13-year-old-Celtic-prodigy-Karamoko-Dembele-learn-mistakes.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
MACJAY after the work carried out by the late, great Tommy Burns it looked like Islam Feruz would be progressing to the first team soon after he signed. However, whilst he was 15 and contracts were being “discussed” with Celtic that he could sign when he was 16, Chelski came in with a ridiculous offer for the lad and his family (which I believe included setting them up in a home in London) and, as he said, his head was turned. He went for the money and the lure of the big time.
So rather than breaking through to the Celtic first team before he was 17, playing regularly and winning trophies (he could well have won 4 or 5 SPFL medals by now) he went on a road to nowhere with Chelski and his career has hit pretty much rock bottom.
Sad story, but I hope the lad can recover his career.
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VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 9:01 AM
I`m no hypocrite simply because I don`t pretend to be anything other than a capitalist.
Just like the vast majority ( All ? ) of those who post on here.
But pretend that they are not.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 11th October 2016 9:12 am
So you were cachinnatory?
:>)
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VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 9:13 AM
Yes.
At the age of sixteen , I would doubt if he made the decision.
So I wouldn`t be blaming him.
I wish him the best.
VFR800A8 on 11TH OCTOBER 2016 9:18 AM
That`s me.
In a wanny.
More purgaTORY on here than cachinnaTORY ?
So being forced to make a living in a capitalist system makes anyone who does not agree with the system a hypocrite, or should those forced to make a living simply move on and go find another country that practices a system to their liking like they did ? ie run away and give up the fight.
VFR800A8 – Reading back saw your Race Night entry, I have emailed you for more info, also interested in buying a couple of horses if I cant make the night.
HH
It must be a slow news day when a Tory rag is slaughtering a dead man for saving money and passing it onto his family, and that it is considered to be worth posting on here :-(((
Maybe he should have left it to the cat.
Roll on Saturday when Glasgow Celtic will be back to being the prime subject on this site. No wonder so many long time posters no longer get involved.
KevJ – I hope all is well with you, good thoughts with our own Jungle Rebel!!
HH
Back to matters of moment.
35 minutes till Tom Rogic and the socceroos kick off in W.C.Q. against Japan.
Banzai ya bas.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 11th October 2016 9:17 am
I would never seriously accuse you of hypocrisy because, as you say, you are what your are and don’t hide it.
I have (you might be astonished to know) left-wing leanings, but operating in a capitalist society often goes against the grain for me.
I had started to provide a few examples, but it smacked of self-justification; suffice to say that we all have principles but sometimes logical choice and pragmatism force us down a different route.
It doesn’t necessarily invoke hypocrisy; it does invoke discomfort though!
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