I see the story that Feyenoord are chasing John Guidetti has lasted more days than I expected. John Guidetti is a likeable guy and seems to have enjoyed his time at Celtic, but he desperately needs to show some form before the end of the season if he is to attract the attention of Feyenoord or any team of that calibre.
One aspect often overlooked about Guidetti is his inexperience. The player is still only 22 and had started only 30 games before arriving at Celtic Park last season, there’s a good chance that by the end of the season he will have played more games for Celtic than anyone else. On paper, a season at Celtic was a chance to sort his career out, grab first team football at a prestigious club who were short of a centre forward. Conversely, being kept out of the team by Leigh Griffiths will damage his reputation.
Barcabhoy sent me an interesting summary of Celtic’s material loss since the liquidation of Rangers. The figures below compare the three years before Rangers liquidation with the two and a half years since.
As you see, even though we are comparing a shorter time period after liquidation, Celtic’s turnover and profitability is still miles better than when we had to compete with Rangers.
This should end any nonsense about Celtic needing or in any way missing Rangers. We lost some revenue streams: domestic commercial and ticket income, but the slipstream to European revenues have more than made up for the gap. More importantly, we are also no longer caught in an arms race with a death-risk opponent, allowing us to bring costs below income and plan longer than the current season.
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On a scale of one to Henrik Larsson where is John Guidetti?
I hope the Celtic board pay attention to the fact we don’t need the Huns. I never want them to pollute CP.
I would now like to see Celtic ask some difficult questions of the SFA/SFPL about why the Huns are operating to a different set of rues to everyone else.
yorkbhoy
11:47 on
14 April, 2015
The counter argument (not mine) would be that if them’s were in the top league we wouldn’t have had to sell Wanyama, Hooper et al (conveniently ignoring that for the most they wanted to go) or that we’d have had greater resources to invest in the team.
I see the ole season book renewal notices mention New Balance and New Co.
Herbo
PL’s comments have been twisted somewhat. He said we could have lost £10m but by anticipating the situation, we didn’t, and that is borne out by the figures shown in the accounts.
Here is his full comment:
“When Rangers went down, we took £100 off the season tickets. So that is £4 million for two years. The loss of games against Rangers has cost us at least another £3m.”
“Then there is a perception among our supporters that there is no competition, and that you are going to win anyway, so you don’t go to the game. So we could have lost £10m a year, quite easily, on the back of Rangers going down.”
“How we have coped with that is by seeing that coming. The strategy, as I said at the time– and over a 10-11 year period – was to be successful on the park, and stable off it.”
“In that time, Hearts and Rangers have gone bust – and yet we are still getting it.”
Unless someone else has anything else where he says we did lose £10m, I’d prefer to take his words at face value rather than to read whatever spin the media put on it.
Mort
Mort
Nice to see you posting!
Don’t be a (st)ranger!!!
the battered bunnet@ 11 36.
Depending on time / opportunity.-
Imlil to Taccheddirt is great . @ 3hrs ( the return is harder @ 4hrs )
Maybe more if you have too many – Berber Special Teas .
I think Stefan Šćepović is a better player than John Guidetti. If only that goal he scored against Dundee United, back in December, had been allowed to stand… God alone knows what might have become of him.
I hope he’s not written off like all the others we joyously hyped, then shipped out via Janefield Street post the witching hour.
bournesouprecipe @ 11:50,
“On a scale of one to Henrik Larsson where is John Guidetti?
Below an Andy Walker but above a MAF.
Hail Hail
bournesouprecipe
11:50 on
14 April, 2015
Not quantifiable as at a similar age Henrik wasn’t playing as a striker.
He may not be worth what he’s demanding (whatever that is) but 31 appearances 14 goals and 12 assists is in my opinion a good return from JG. It’s a lot better than any other forward we have.
Interesting pre/post sevco number Paul. Surely puts the board’s AGM financial observations into some context.
It’s just a great pity that a handful of shareholders make the decisions for our club, rather than the thousands of share holders and fans who want nothing to do the return of the Huns and would far prefer to see an end to the pretence that we/football needs a strong Sevco.
The players might want them back because they all love to play in games with highly charged atmospheres and the marketing/business people may want them back for purely fiscal reasons.
But I reckon a show of hands would demonstrate that the vast majority of fans, STHs and share holders don’t want a return of their brand of sectarian bigotry anywhere near CP.
Sevco’s eventual return to the top league is inevitable, which probably accounts for the increase of £50 in my ST for the coming season. Their participation might be slightly more palatable if they publically conceded the ‘same club’ myth. It would mark an acceptance of their past culpability and an end to their claims of historical and ongoing ‘supremacy’ as the ‘establishment’ club.
But unfortunately, like a drowning man, they cling desperately to their delusion of ‘unbroken world record success’. The thought of being a 3 year old club destroys this myth, This is unthinkable and totally unacceptable for ‘ra peepul’.
In reality though I don’t think they would see a long term lessening of their support in that circumstance. After all, they will always espouse the ‘WATP’ dogma and their 300+ year historical link supporting the protestant (that being defined as – not catholic) religion, orangeism and the crown.
Perhaps this ‘same club’ myth is a simple question for our board at the next AGM – “Sevco – New club – Yes or No”.
Worth a thought. HH
Don’t you just love it when TBB puts on the analytical head and spells it out in plain English for the likes of me to understand?
EC67
2013 profit was £9.7 million. I guess the number got transposed in the sending. Two key issues that Paul highlights . When a raving financial lunatic like David Murray isn’t around , then Celtic and other clubs can run their business the way it should be run.
Secondly if Rangers think they can match these figures then they are delusional. That is a huge part of the problem at Rangers. They assume that anything Celtic can do, they can match or better.
Despite
Rangers being a smaller club, with a smaller stadium, with a management team that has been incompetent and irresponsible since the day Murray got the keys from Marlborough . Since Murray they have had to rely on financial doping and cheating to compete. Prior to Stein , there is no question Rangers were at least as big a club and were generally well and responsibly run ( illegal emplyment policies aside) .
That is the scale of the damage David Murray has done to Rangers . He has destroyed them for a generation. Yet there are cowardly journalists who , having taken his “hospitality” , are terrified to condemn the man.
Fortunately , we know better, and in my experience increasing numbers of Rangers supporters know that Whyte, Green , King and co are relatively minor irrelevances in the downfall.
From what I can find PL’s full statement was
“When Rangers went down, we took £100 off the season tickets. So that is £4 million for two years. The loss of games against Rangers has cost us at least another £3m.
“Then there is a perception among our supporters that there is no competition, and that you are going to win anyway, so you don’t go to the game. So we could have lost £10m a year, quite easily, on the back of Rangers going down.
“How we have coped with that is by seeing that coming. The strategy, as I said at the time– and over a 10-11 year period – was to be successful on the park, and stable off it.
“In that time, Hearts and Rangers have gone bust – and yet we are still getting it.”
Why has everyone got hooked on the 10 million and not the big messages – “How we have coped….” and “In that time, Hearts and Rangers have gone bust ..” Which for me says WE ARE CELTIC AND DON’T NEED THEM.
Yet many Celtic fans represent it as PL saying we do need them. I read it as PL saying we don’t.
Don’t you just hate it when you still can’t understand it?.
You calling me fick?
Yorkbhoy
I was there when he said it
Does anyone have any idea if John Guidetti has had a disciplinary hearing or not?
Heard plenty about it at the time of the charge but not a peep since.
Paul67
Interesting analysis Paul. I am surprised at the income increase, but not the profit.
Recently you mentioned the group of missing fans who seem only to be interested the the oul’ rankers. I Agree we won’t miss them much.
There is another group, maybe not as large or noisy, who are still smarting over the perceived silence around the re-election of Ogilvie ( unopposed) and ongoing mibbery and the state of pitches and industrial tackling… Etc, etc.,
Then there is the ongoing and increasingly festering sore that is Resolution 12. Despite the sterling efforts of all the guys here who are working this item to a conclusion, there is a growing sense that will ultimately find it’s way onto a dusty shelf.
If I were PL I would be looking at the latter group and trying to find some solutions to these issues, because that second group might just stay away permanently.
This is not a knock at Celtic board or a call to spend, spend, spend.
Just a few , admittedly scrambled, thoughts, becoming concerns.
HH
Mort:
“How we have coped with that is by seeing that coming. The strategy, as I said at the time– and over a 10-11 year period – was to be successful on the park, and stable off it.”
If they’d qualified for the Champions League proper then that would’ve offset a huge portion of any hypothetical loss. It’s not like the expectation was shrouded in obscene hubris this past campaign, but for me, our failure to invest in quality – regardless of age – cost us much more than any absence of the bigot pound.
So with the Rangers gone who is our ‘benchmark’?
So what would happen to the figures if the Sevco huns, weakened and providing no serious challenge on the football front, but offering an outlet for those among our own support who miss the bigotry and mayhem that’s the unique characteristic of the Old |Firm, were to be in the same league as us?
Would they improve?
The huns are a skidmark, not a benchmark!
HH
BSR
It’s a bit like this:
“Give us the rights back”
“No”
“We demand the rights back”
“Sorry. You’ll need to read contract Clause 22.”
“Clause 22? We haven’t seen that. What does it say?”
“I don’t need to tell you”
“What the hell kind of a clause says that you don’t need to tell us what it says?”
“Why, a Clause 22 of course.”
What motivates our ambition, the books or the glory, or at least the pursuit of the glory?
Can you imagine the first game of next season and our bold Pete does a lap of honour waving the ‘books’ at the stands.
Come on you bean counters in green.
Wouldn’t be surprised if JG ‘charge’ has been buried,for a number of reasons the SFA can’t stand up.
herbo
12:07 on 14 April, 2015
Yorkbhoy
I was there when he said it
Fair enough I wasn’t but there seems to be quite a lot of different interpretations of what he said.
Is there anyone with a link to the actual statement?
!!Bada Bing!!
12:18 on
14 April, 2015
Just what I was thinking. Under the carpet until JG leaves (which looks likely) then not another word about it.
An update, maybe from JPT would be good.
Re JG referring to the huns as huns I reckon that the SFA realise that even by their own pitifully low standards they’ve made chumps of themselves here.
Will have been quietly torn up and dropped in the bin.
!!Bada Bing!!
12:18 on
14 April, 2015
Wouldn’t be surprised if JG ‘charge’ has been buried,for a number of reasons the SFA can’t stand up.
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Last I read was a schedule for end of the Month.Could be a delaying tactic as you said.
Paul67
If John Guidetti was half the player he thinks he is, he would be playing at a higher level than Celtic. (he thinks he is too good for us)
barcabhoy @ 12 01.
” That is the scale of the damage David Murray has done to Rangers “.
Indeed – an egomaniac spiv who was deemed to be way too ‘ iffy ‘ for a skint and desperate Ayr United..
I know a Rangers supporter who was predicting disaster within weeks of Murray being given the keys..Voodoo economics, cupidity, avarice and bullshit all wrapped up in a Geez yer money appeal to the dumb ass peepul..Add a media that was incapable of recognizing the truth , never mind reporting it and it was always just a matter of time.
Paul,
Your post begs the question, and you might like to ask them it directly (and let us know the answer), just why do Celtic seem so keen to have THEM back?
Chairbhoy
Maybe the widely held belief that there was no legal case against John Guidetti has come home roost, when the case has been put in front of a ‘legally trained’ SFA employee who allegedly brought the charge in the first place?
Was the compliance officer instructed by someone else (higher upper) to bring the charge, and now they don’t know what to do?
Could it be they can’t even hold a hearing, because there’s no case?
Maybe they’ve decided on a balance of probabilities it was offensive, but they can’t prove it?
There might be a statement like ‘ gonnae no dae that – just gonna no.’
“We wish the new Rangers Football Club every good fortune.”
Walter Smith
The corollary to Barcabhoy’s observations is that in the current Scottish Football environment, for a ‘big’ club, First Place is Everything.
Second Place is Nothing.
You can’t run a profitable ‘Big’ football club AND be successful on the pitch unless your club is First Place.
First Place defines Success on the pitch, and delivers Profit off it (via UCL revenue).
Second Place defines Failure on the pitch, and is financially unsustainable (although recent UEL changes soften that a bit).
There is no business plan for a big club yet invented that delivers Profit AND Success from Second Place in Scottish Football, unless one considers Second Place to represent Football Success.
To answer Ernie’s question on whether Celtic would be more or less profitable with a Rangers in the top league, the answer is… only provided we remained in First Place.
A 2 horse race simply, and ultimately, puts one or both out of business in the long run.
As recent history demonstrates perfectly.
Auldheid’s oft repeated suggestion that European revenues be distributed across the top clubs in the league is the only idea I’ve seen – short of supra-national leagues – that addresses the fundamental fault.
I wouldn’t burst the bank for Guidetti’s signature, not that PL was ever gonna !!!!
Fleg wavers found another focus for their racism?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/14/arson-attack-on-east-belfast-nail-salon-thought-to-be-work-of-racists
A bin lorry has careered into the front garden of a house in the south side of Glasgow after the driver took ill. http://t.co/059aBueQ8x