Congratulations to all at Celtic on securing our fourth consecutive trophy. Those of us who lived through the 90s (and those who also lived through the 50s) know how precious these times are.
Collecting that trophy yesterday is not the act of a vastly better resourced club picking up what is their divine right. It is the consequence of over a century of struggle, denial and sacrifice. The current success of Celtic is as remarkable as it looked to be unlikely for much of its existence.
The reflective glory that shines on all of us is the gift of downtrodden ancestors who wanted to escape hardship. When the trophies arrive, celebrate a deliverance.
Throughout the first half yesterday Celtic were well below their normal incisiveness. You and I have seen so many League Cups slip away over the years against weaker opponents. At halftime I thought, “All it will take is a half-chance for Motherwell and it’s the same old story.” Instead, James Forrest found the breakthrough and Craig Gordon (and the post) were up to the job when called upon.
Motherwell manager Steve Robinson has done very well but he set himself up for a fall after beating Newco in the semi-final. Pedro Caixinha was correct predicted Motherwell would not finished the final with 11 men on the field.
The get-into-their-face/leg/body approach was Motherwell’s best strategy for taking on Celtic (and Newco), but there’s no point crying about the consequences afterwards, when you lose.
There has been more heat than light shed on the penalty incident, a consequence of seasonal pantomime analysis. Ask any referee the question he is trained to ask himself in this scenario:
What is Kirpe’s arm doing across Scott Sinclair?
His arm is there to inhibit his opponent. No one will be able to give you an alternative scenario.
The incident would have been a foul and a yellow card anywhere else on the field. That is the statutory punishment for putting an arm round opponent in possession, unless it is a goal-scoring opportunity, in which case the card should be red.
It is unacceptable for a player to fall to the ground when he was not fouled, but not only is it acceptable to fall when you have been fouled, it is expected, unless you want the referee to play advantage.
I do feel sorry for Kipre, who by that stage of the game must have assumed his could foul and hack with impunity, but as well as pumping him up to play this brand of robust football, his manager should educate him on the consequences of putting an arm around and in front of an opponent inside the box.
There is a lesson here for Celtic too. When we lose a cup (or a game), it is likely to be when we concede a penalty and a red card.
Chris Sutton and Neil Lennon: love your work, but your performances on TV yesterday is why good analysts learn the guidelines given to referees. Stick to baiting Newco fans and finishing second in the league respectively.
Moussa, love your work too, but I don’t like penalties that go right down the middle of the goal. Note that every keeper in the land watched yesterday’s game and many will gamble on your repeating the exercise next time you face them from the spot. This is a tactic you must use sparingly.
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One down, three to go, ‘mon the hoops!
Against Hibs at Celtic Park big Efe held back Scott Sinclair and we got nothing! At the time everyone said he should have gone down when he felt the contact. Yesterday he went down and I do not blame him for doing so!
Hail Hail
Anyone in Section F yesterday knows the penalty decision was 100% correct. A clearer view than any tv camera, side on in line with the contact, Sinclair makes the blind side run behind Kipre and his upper arm is pulled.
Remember what Collum said to Jonny Hayes after Sinclair was denied a last minute penalty against Hibs at CP because he tried to stay on his feet and shoot. If Sinclair had gone down he would have given the penalty.
CURLYBHOY on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:04 PM
One down, three to go, ‘mon the hoops!
Had me there. Admire your optimism. A double treble will do for me, HH
Canny see this Bhoy getting an invite. Might liven the occasion up though!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2621641/prince-harry-meghan-markle-half-brother-vows-to-get-help-for-drinking-addiction/
Forgot to change ma number, oops.
Motherwell will get at least one penalty on Weddnesday, the tackle by Kipre on Moussa after 10 minutes was horrific, and, I am sure it wont have missed the attention of BR.
How does one alert the Compliance Officer (?) to the tackle on Moussa?
JJ
GARY67 on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:10 PM
From what I’ve seen, there was contact.
And having felt the contact Scott Sinclair made the conscious decision to go down.
The contact did not cause Scott Sinclair to go down through some ineluctable application of Newton’s third law.
I don’t know what the laws of the game say should happen in such circumstances.
And I’m not much bothered either way.
The fact that Neil Lennon and Chris Sutton have expressed their honest opinions about the incident does not make them crypto huns, soup takers or whatever.
Fed up already with the constant sniping about a successful football club who play the game as it should be played and steamroller all domestic opposition.
A club which pays a fortune to the country in taxes,offers employment to the local community,has a charity foundation to fund many deserving causes-and fans who do similar.
Sackcloth and ashes for doing the right thing,it’s The Glasgow Celtic Way.
Naw,it isnae. The Glasgow Celtic Way is a huge GIRUY,a wee few yards to represent the miles in front which we are.
Keep sniping,losers. We’ll keep winning.
Karma,schadenfreude,GIRUY,whatever. There’s yer dinner.
HAPPY HOOOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to
BARNEY65!!!!!!
I think(!)
ERNIELYNCH
“The fact that Neil Lennon and Chris Sutton have expressed their honest opinions about the incident does not make them crypto huns, soup takers or whatever.”
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It does suggest that they neither know nor care about the laws of the game.
GARY67 on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:10 PM
Anyone in Section F yesterday knows the penalty decision was 100% correct.
Spot on mate I was in f5 row H at the front, penalty all day long.
H.H
Well said, Paul67.
I haven’t read any of the newspapers but have any of their reports mentioned that Kipre should have been sent off after about 10 minutes? Very much doubt it.
This has been posted here several times already, but the red card debate continues……
“Players who commit a foul to deny a goalscoring opportunity will no longer automatically be sent off, football’s rule-making body has confirmed.
The previous ‘triple-punishment’ rule required a red card – and therefore a suspension – as well as the award of a penalty under those circumstances.
However, players committing accidental fouls that deny a goalscoring chance will now be cautioned instead.
But deliberate fouls will still incur a red card.
Those include holding, pulling or pushing, not playing the ball, serious foul play, violent conduct or deliberate handball in order to deny a goalscoring opportunity.”
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36047575
Penalty & red card absolutely correct decision.
Not there yet BMCUWP, 65 is our unbeated record! Ive a few bdays yet till I’m 65, ta anyway.HH
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:38 PM
What do the laws of the game say?
Anyone remember the incident when wee Jamsie avoided one lunge at the edge of the box , then was completely taken out inside the box, when about to make it 3-0 ?
Thomson awarded a free kick at the edge of the box . I was going ape . Game management by the MIB .
Congrats to the newly engaged couple . Wonder if the groom’s dad will get an invite ? :-))
ernie lynch on 27th November 2017 12:30 pm
No idea what Sutton and Lennon said, didn’t see any BT coverage but as you say they are entitled to their opinion. My opinion is from seeing incident from an angle that I assume no tv camera covered, ie from the corner of the north/east stands. As said in previous post, Collum’s response when asked why he didn’t give penalty v Hibs would influence Sinclair’s decision not to try harder to stay on his feet (correctly so).
Hello again all you young rebels.
Oz Tims
It’s Christmas BBQ time again over here on the rebel peninsula
this Sunday and this time we will start earlier so best get down
the beach park before 11 o clock as there is another festive
event in the park which will attract a huge crowd but once they
hear our bhoys singing and dancing it won’t be long till they join
us :-))
We will have our usual music ( ghetto blasters ) free bbq sausage
and other bites, raffles,and our 5 a side soccer challenge for
those of us who are still able to stand upright and best of all any
profit made on the day as well as a donation from our CSC will
pay for all the toys etc we will donate to the sick kids hospital as
we do every year because it’s what the Celtic family do.
MOOLOOLABA BHOY
Disappointed you can’t be at the barbie, i’ll phone PADDYMAC and
ask him to put one of our new tops aside for you, will your bhoy
pick it up at the park?
H.H Mick
Paul67
I may be wrong but I don’t recall Moussa hitting a penalty straight down the middle before. He’s too cute for that.
HH
Was Kipre booked for the leg breaker on Moussa? Didn’t see a yellow at game but may have missed it.
If not then he should be in front of the compliance officer this week.
GARY67 on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:46 PM
Was Kipre booked for the leg breaker on Moussa? Didn’t see a yellow at game but may have missed it.
If not then he should be in front of the compliance officer this week.
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As i recall he never even gave a foul for the tackle.
BARNEY65 on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:48 PM
And probably the reason the the penalty was awarded and the red card handed out.
GARY67 on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:44 PM
http://sport.bt.com/did-scott-sinclair-dive-for-celtic-penalty-91364232382985
ERNIE LYNCH on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:49 PM
Nope ~ the ref applied the rules correctly, like it or not!
NEIL LENNON & MCCARTNEY on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:51 PM
If the first incident hadn’t occurred then I doubt the penalty would have been awarded.
But your faith in Thompson’s ability and integrity is touching.
Look guys, watch this wee clip Bhoyfromsky posted, you can say what you want C Thomson is at least consistent.
BHOYFROMSKY on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 10:59 AM
Re the penalty incident …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5krVW7QyFJs
Gary 67
No, not even a foul given.
Re run of the game on BT at 1.30pm . Not seen any highlights yet, so worth a butchers .
Variety is the spice of life Paul . Even with penalties , although agreed , not a technique for regular use . HH
ERNIE LYNCH on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:54 PM
Nothing to do with faith, all to do with correctly applying the rules of the game for the penalty & red card.
The first incident was a shocking mistake by Thompson, but had no bearing on the latter.
In a parallel universe sevco beat murders yesterday and were awarded a soft penalty with murders down to 10 men. Would the Hacks
a – spend the majority of media output on the pen
b- laud the people for their deserved win
answers on the back of the hundaymail
In F6 yesterday, clear view, penalty all day.
Re the ‘tackle’ by Kipre on Moussa, only the Scotsman references it, and even then they only call it ‘robust’. The slo-mo video posted elsewhere on CQN reminds me on a tackle on Denis Irwin years back, I think it was against a Dutch side, but you can see his leg bend, like Moussa’s appears to do. Horrific.
The Motherwell manager said after the game that ‘Kipre is devastated…he’s just a young man, making his way in the game.’ I’d suggest, as his manager and head coach, the Motherwell manager needs to take some responsibility in educating the young man as to his duty of care to other professionals.
KT and Brendan coming over to F6 after the game was a great moment!
Four in the bag, frontrunners for five, it’s been quite an eventful eighteen months for us all. Looking ahead to the next eighteen months, I wonder if BR considers a personal 9IAR to be an achievable legacy whilst Scott Brown and Scott Sinclair continue to be his heart and soul on the pitch.
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Raith Rovers are reporting a 0-5 defeat to Celtic at Lennoxtown yesterday in the youth cup. Well done, bhoys. I’m sure our website will put something up after the excitement of cyber Monday is over.
Melbourne Mick,
Yep I’ve told him where you will be.. He was at the Barbie with me last year, so he will pick up the shirt there.
I’ll tell him to be early or he will have a long walk. Hope to catch up with you and PaddyMac before I head back to QLD
HH MB
ernie lynch on 27th November 2017 12:51 pm
Cheers for link, will look later when I get home from work
NEIL LENNON & MCCARTNEY on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 1:02 PM
ERNIE LYNCH on 27TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:54 PM
Nothing to do with faith, all to do with correctly applying the rules of the game for the penalty & red card.
The first incident was a shocking mistake by Thompson, but had no bearing on the latter.
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He missed a blatant, dangerous foul in the first half and was being pilloried by the commentators for having done so.
He’ll have been made aware of that at half time.
That will have affected his attitude in the second half. He will have been anxious to make amends, to minimise the damage to his reputation.
Hence the penalty and red card which on another occasion would have been ignored.