Well done to Hibernian fans for turning up in sufficient numbers to increase turnover to £8.0m from £6.9m the previous season, allowing the club to turn a profit in Armageddon season, despite some mediocre performances on the field. The challenge for chairman Rod Petrie is to ensure the elevated income level results in the club outperforming village clubs, who survive on a fraction of Hibs income.
Hibernian should tower over St Johnstone, Inverness, Ross County and Motherwell in the race for second place.
Debt remains high at £5.5m (if Celtic’s debt was a similar proportion to turnover it would be circa £40m) but with the wages to turnover ratio at 49% there is scope to both bring debt down and get better value for money on the field.
30 friends, family and supporters of the Tommy Burns Skin Cancer Trust will be leaving Celtic Park on tomorrow afternoon heading to Dingwall where they will start a 400 mile cycle round every Scottish Premiership ground returning to Celtic Park on Sunday 15th September at 3:30pm. Their goal is to raise £100k for Melanoma Action and Support Scotland (MasScot) who are looking to introduce Scotland’s first ever mobile skin cancer screening unit which is bound to save lives given the success rates when diagnosing melanoma in early stages.
You can follow the team @TommyBurnsSCT and on Facebook this week as they begin this amazing fundraising event. Please support the team if you can at MyDonate. Packie Bonner and Frank McGarvey are signed up and Bertie Auld is getting involved in the final day.
You can participate in the last hour of the cycle, from St Mirren to Celtic Park, leaving around 2:30 on the Sunday, by emailing scottmcgarvey@gmail.com. Scott will get you organised and help with a fundraising page.
Our thoughts to Jock Stein’s surviving family today, 28 years after his death, as another former Celtic manager prepares Scotland for a World Cup qualifier. Those old enough to remember his time have a gift which the young will never know.
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hen1rik
Thanks for the link, complaint re. Jim Spence away to the BBC
BBC Complaint Submitted
HH
Hen1rik,
Complaint sent.
lilys
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD
I think he may have a very good case for constructive dismissal,as he is being prevented from properly doing his job.
Sent complaint to the BBC about its treatment of Jim Spence. It’s the very least I could do. I would urge everyone to do so too.
Also agree, re witholding Licence Fee, then I remembered,……… Better not say any more
:)
lilys
I think some of you auld yins are losing it,
ekeren???
the night before our game spurs rioted in Brussels and we had to go through at least 2 cordons of riot police to get in behind the goals, I remember the walk from the town centre and it getting quite hairy as we got near the police cordon,no trouble though and when we left the ground they were gone..don’t know what part of the ground you guys walked straight in, but it was not behind the goals…
Just back from picking up my CL tickets from a quiet Celtic Park. COYBIG
Masty 16.27,
Were all those Polis not out just for the arrival of your bus? ….:)
So are the BBC now saying that Rangers never died?
Will Mark Daly be next for the bullet???
I’m confused.
LB
On a lighter note, I can’t really remember any particular game which sticks out as the best I’ve seen. But, I think the 3 best goals I’ve seen are Big Billy’s against Dunfermline, Mo Johnston’s against St Mireen (possibly the best move I have had the pleasure to see) and George Connelly’s stroll round Greig and their goalie in the 4-0 game.
Haud oan a wee minute, maybes Billy’s goal against Vojvodina (a carbon copy of the Dunfermline one) is right up there too; och, so are too many more…….
A wee bit of a CQN tradition….
Jock Stein – Quotes
From the brilliant Celtic wiki
http://kerrydalestreet.com/page/Jock+Stein+-+Quotes
On Celtic, the fans and others
“Football is nothing without fans”
Jock Stein
“Without fans who pay at the turnstile, football is nothing. Sometimes we are inclined to forget that. The only chance of bringing them into stadiums is if they are entertained by what happens on the football field.”
Jock Stein
“My proudest moment? Every Friday morning when I look at the board at Celtic Park and see my name on the team sheet for tomorrow’s game.”
Jock Stein (when a Celtic player & team captain)
“Unlike many other Celts, I cannot claim that Celtic was my first love … but I can say that it will be my last love.”
Jock Stein in a speech at a Supporters night in 1955
“If I can achieve for Celtic what I have achieved for Hibs, then I feel I will have done well for them”
Jock Stein on becoming Celtic manager, possibly his only understated remark!
“The secret of being a good manager is to keep the six players who hate you away from the five who are undecided.”
Jock Stein
“I enjoy being manager here, because I like the people who support us.”
“Celtic jerseys are not for second best, they don’t shrink to fit inferior players”
“I’d far rather talk about players, they are the people who make things happen. “
“You’re too fond of Charlie Gallagher and Harry Hood. You wouldn’t win a league with 11 Charlie Gallaghers or Harry Hoods. “
“There is no substitute for experience ”
“Have the first issue ready for the week after the [Scottish] Cup Final and leave a blank space on page one for a picture of the boys with the Cup!”
Jock Stein on the new “Celtic View” in his first season as manager
“I think it is important to win a match, but I think what is even more important is the manner in which you win.”
“The most pleasure any manager can get is seeing everyday boys joining the Club as youngsters and growing into men and giving themselves a better social standing than they could ever have dreamed of previously.”
“You go down that pit shaft, a mile underground. You can’t see a thing. The guy next to you, you don’t know who he is. Yet he is the best friend you will ever have.”
Jock Stein on the miners
(Before a European Cup game to Hunter Davies (an English Journalist) touring round Celtic and Rangers grounds who was commenting on Celtic’s unpretentious surroundings compared to Rangers more “cathedral-like stadium”)
“Ach, Rangers are alright, but they still haven’t invented blue grass.”
“25% of our [Celtic’s] managers have been Protestant!”
Jock Stein on being appointed manager of Celtic, when pointed out with headlines in the papers and by people that he was the first Protestant manager of Celtic (he was only the 4th in the clubs history (retold by Hugh McIlvaney)
“Is it alright if he’s very cheeky that ah can skelp ‘em?”
Jock Stein jokingly to Billy McNeil’s family as he convinced them to let him sign for Celtic (as told by Billy McNeil)
“We weren’t Orange but we were staunch!”
Jock Stein on his family background to Hugh McIlvaney
(from BBC life story program on Jock Stein 2007)
“If they were interested in what I had to say they would get here in time. The door stays shut!”
Jock Stein on barring late coming journos to his press talks
“I think we could win everything in front of us. I think this could be a season to remember.”
Jock Stein to various players at the start of the 1966/67 season, quoted by Archie MacPherson
“Jock, if there were two players, one Catholic and one Protestant. Who would you sign?”
“The Protestant”
“Why?”
“Because I know that Rangers would never sign the Catholic”
(winding up Rangers FC over their bigoted signing policies)
“Predicting scores is a mug’s game – I’ll leave that to Alec Cameron!”
Jock Stein chides about Alec Cameron, a journalist who was very biased to the Huns
“Surely there are enough Celtic songs without introducing religion or politics or anything else?”
After 1972 game against Stirling when he jumped into the Celtic crowd to stand up to individuals singing sectarian songs
“I lost some friends when I made the move, but if that’s what matters to them, then they’re not really friends at all.”
(On his move to Celtic which led to him being shunned and dismissed by his old ‘friends’)
“This terrible tragedy must help to curb the bigotry and bitterness of Old Firm matches. When human life is at stake this kind of hatred seems sordid and little. Fans of both sides will never forget this disaster.”
Jock Stein from the Celtic View on the Ibrox Disaster of 1971
“It is up to us, to everyone at Celtic Park, to build up our own legends. We don’t want to live with history, to be compared with legends from the past. We must make new legends.”
Jock Stein (After winning his first league title as Celtic manager in 1966)
“We all end up yesterday’s men in this business. Your’re very quickly forgotten.”
Jock Stein in Archie MacPherson’s book “The Great Derbies: Blue and Green” (1989)
“The best place to defend is in the opposition penalty box.”
“There is no excuse for a professional footballer not to be 100% fit.”
‘I feel we have the players fit to wear the mantle of champions of Europe. I have told them so. Now it’s up to them.’
Jock Stein after beating Vojvodina Novi in the QF of the European Cup, 1967
“We send Murdoch down to the health farm at Tring to lose some weight and the main result is that we are polluted with bad tips from the wee jockeys he meets there.”
Jock Stein joking to Hugh McIlvaney about Bobby Murdoch’s weight control
“If you’re good enough, the referee doesn’t matter.”
“It’s not religion that’s the problem – it’s the lack of religion!”
“You go down that pit shaft, a mile underground. You can’t see a thing. The guy next to you, you don’t know who he is. Yet he is the best friend you will ever have.”
Jock Stein
“I’m happy where I am, I like the people I work with, I like the players and the directors of this club but most of all I like the fans and to see them happy makes me happy,so I’m very happy here.”
When asked about Man Utd showing interest in getting him to manage at Old Trafford in early 70’s
“There’s nothing wrong with losing your temper for the right reasons.”
Jock Stein’s advice to Alex Ferguson, as re-told by Alex Ferguson in an interview in Jun 08 who was speaking about his own infamous temper
“I’m sorry to leave but I just could not be a saleman!”
Newspaper headline on Jock leaving Celtic after being asked by the board to “move up” to the board level to become in charge of the club pools!
On Lisbon 1967 and Winning the European Cup
“My time will come!”
Jock Stein to John Mackenzie of the Scottish Daily Express, prior to European Cup final 1967 after enduring snubs and mind games from opposite number Herrera (Inter Milan Manager)
Stein’s inspiring pre-match battle cry was:
“If you’re ever going to win the European Cup, then this is the day and this is the place. But we don’t just want to win this cup, we want to do it playing good football – to make neutrals glad we’ve won it, glad to remember how we did it.”
Jock Stein before the game 25th March 1967
“Tell me, the 9 o’clock and 10 o’clock mass are all ticket?”
Jock Stein joking to Hugh McIlvaney on the surge of Celtic fans coming to Lisbon to see the team play in the European Cup Final (retold by Hugh McIlvaney)
“I am now going to tell him (Herrera) how Celtic will be the first team to bring the European Cup back to Britain. But it will not help him in any manner, shape or form: we are going to attack as we have never attacked before. Cups are not won by individuals, but by men in a team who put their club before personal prestige. I am lucky – I have the players who do just that for Celtic”
Jock Stein 23rd May 1967
“We must play as if there are no more games, no more tomorrows…”
Jock Stein, shortly before kick off in Lisbon
“We don’t just want to win the European Cup. We want to do it playing good football, to make neutrals glad we won it, pleased to remember how we did it.”
Jock Stein before the European Cup win in 1967
“Coming here you’ve made history, go out and play to you capability and enjoy yourself.”
Jock Stein to the players as they were to go out to play in the European Cup Final (1967)
After wining the European Cup
“We did it by playing football. Pure, beautiful, inventive football.”
“There is always a time to move on.”
“This team will never be beaten!”
Jock Stein to Bill Shankly on bus back, overheard by Bertie Auld
“There is not a prouder man on God’s Earth than me at this moment. Winning was important, aye, but it was the way that we have won that has filled me with satisfaction. We did it by playing football. Pure, beautiful, inventive football. There was not a negative thought in our heads. Inter played right into our hands; it’s so sad to see such gifted players shackled by a system that restricts their freedom to think and to act. Our fans would never accept that sort of sterile approach. Our objective is always to try to win with style.”
Jock Stein, 1967
Interviewer : “What a wonderful season!”
Jock Stein: “Aye, but what do I do next year?”
“We hope that the next hands on the European Cup are yours”
Prophetic words from Jock Stein to Matt Busby in 1967, as he received the BBC Sports team of the year award form him in 1967 (Man U under Matt Busby ended up winning the European Cup in 1968)
On Scotland
“‘Old Firm supporters went to internationals to cheer three players, boo two, and ignore the rest!”
Jock Stein on the Scotland fans in the 1950’s
“After all, we’re a small country. The Finns and Norwegians, you don’t get them saying ‘We’re going to win the World Cup’.“
World Cup in Spain 1982 about Scotland fans
“We do have the greatest fans in the world but I’ve never seen a fan score a goal.”
On others
“There should be a law against him. He knows what’s happening 20 minutes before anyone else.”
on Booby Moore, West Ham and England Defender from 1960s, (quote from 1969))
“I don’t believe everything Bill tells me about his players. If they were that good, they’d not only have won the European Cup but the Ryder Cup, the Boat Race and even the Grand National!”
on Bill Shankly the then Liverpool Manager
Quotes about Jock Stein
“I am proud to say that I knew Jock Stein as a manager, as a colleague and as a friend… he was the greatest manager in British football… men like Jock will live forever in the memory.”
Alex Ferguson
“I always thought Jock Stein was the perfect international manager. But you (England) don’t have anyone like that. You don’t have Jock Steins, you’ll never have a Jock Stein.”
Alex Ferguson
“He would have been well within his rights to glorify himself in some way but that simply wasn’t Jock’s style. He was also a very intelligent man who played the press brilliantly. I remember one day down at Turnberry, he invited me to join him at the press conference to which he turns up about 10 minutes early and plonks himself down on a chair outside the room. Along come the hacks and Jock starts, just loud enough for them to hear. ‘Here’s such and such coming, big gambler . . . this one’s having it off with so-and-so’. He knew everything about them and they all knew that he knew.”
Alex Ferguson story about Jock Stein (from RedIssue Man U fanzine)
“For people like myself, he was the precursor of all the deeds and challenges we needed to aim at and be like Jock Stein. He would never take the praise himself. It was always about the players and how great the team were. That magnanimity tells you everything about him. He always used to say to me to keep your dignity at the end of games. He kept his humility and his feet were always firmly planted on the ground.”
Alex Ferguson (2008)
“When I worked as a toolmaker in the middle of winter,” Ferguson, who was a shop steward at the Remington Rand typewriter factory, adds, “I remember touching the steel first thing in the morning. It’s absolutely freezing. You can burn yourself it’s so bloody cold. And yet these people built the best ships in the world. You can over-romanticise these things, but they do have a real part to play in forging a person’s character.”
Giving them what? “Determination. Then you think of the miners; men such as Stein and Shankly. I remember Stein saying something I think was fantastic. We were driving to Glasgow during the miners’ strike [in the mid1980s] and they were shipping coal in from Belgium, these scab drivers. Big Jock stopped them. He looked at them, and said: ‘I hope you’re proud of yourselves. You’re doing people out of a living.’ None of them said a word. Then he said to me: ‘This is an absolute bloody disgrace. You go down that pit shaft, a mile underground. You can’t see a thing. The guy next to you, you don’t know who he is. Yet he is the best friend you will ever have.’ ” Ferguson pauses for a moment. “All of these things congeal in your character. And they never leave you.”
Alex Ferguson (2008), Interview with The Times
“It was as if the king had died. In football terms, the king had died. (Alex Ferguson on Jock Stein’s death in 1985)”
Alex Ferguson
“He came to Celtic not just to manage them, but to battle for them.”
Archie MacPherson on Jock Stein
Jock, do you want your share of the gate money or shall we just return the empties ?”
Bill Shankly to Jock Stein after the 1966 CWC tie with Celtic at Anfield
Bill Shankly to Jock Stein in the Dressing room just after they won the European Cup (1967)
“John, you’re immortal now!”
Jock Stein in turn just laughed…
“Stein’s a remarkable man. One of the most remarkable man ever in the game.”
Bill Shankly on Jock Stein
“If he has useful players he trains them the right way, and he encourages them to do what they are best at, not to mention the other wee things you need in your game. Jock would then merge these things together. It’s a form of socialism – without the politics of course.”
Bill Shankly on Jock Stein
“A great manager, my pal for years. a great man as well,with a heart of gold who’d give his last shilling. Aye, Stein he’s the best!”
Bill Shankly on Jock Stein
“The greatest manager in the history of the game. You tell me a manager anywhere in the world who did something comparable, winning the European Cup with a Glasgow District XI.”
Hugh McIlvaney (journalist) in his documentary “Busby, Stein and Shankly: The Football Men 1997”
“I adored the man!”
“There was a tendency to think that Jock would be around forever.”
“The simple truth that he could bring such intellect to the game.”
Hugh McIlvanney on Jock Stein (2012, Radio 5 Live Special)
“John, you’re a Celtic man, you’ll regret it if you don’t go.”
Gordon Batters (Hibs Doctor) who convinced Jock to go to Celtic as manager (we owe him such a debt) (link)
“As I head into the Stadio Olimpico three-and-a-half weeks from now, it will be with the hope that the contenders soon to take the field can inhabit the creed expressed by the mighty Jock Stein shortly before he led Celtic to British football’s first victory in the European Cup 42 years ago. “We can be as hard and professional as anybody,” Jock told me, “but I mean it when I say we don’t just want to win this cup. We want to win it playing good football, to make neutrals glad we’ve done it, glad to remember how we did it.””Hugh McIlvaney, on Sunday’s Times on-line.
“The problem for us is that Big Jock and his players spoiled it for everyone who came after them…”
Lou Macari, on becoming Celtic Manager (1994)
‘I’ve got a vivid memory from 1965, when it was announced he was coming back from Hibs, of Billy McNeill saying, ”Oh thats fantastic! Wait and see how things change now!”.’
John Divers, 1995 on the return of Jock Stein to the club as manager.
“Mr Stein was an imposing figure. I was in awe when I first met Mr Stein, and I thought I was all through my playing career. He meant something to every player. Whether or not they liked him as a person he was loved for what he did for their careers. How big an influence was he? How long is a piece of string? He was a nice man. A nice, nice man. You don’t remember the things your dad did to you that were bad. You remember the nice things like Christmas or your birthday. Maybe Mr Stein could give you stick, but it was forgotten outside the dressing room. He taught me so much. He hurried things up for me.”
Danny McGrain on Jock Stein
“He had the knowledge; he had that nasty bit that managers must have; and he could communicate. On top of that he was six feet tall, and at times he seemed to get bigger when he was talking to you. He had everything that a great manager needs. Nothing ever went by him. He was the best.”
Graeme Souness
“Jock Stein was the greatest manager ever to draw breath. There was no one who came anywhere close to him.”
Jock Wallace (ex-Rangers manager)
“I’ll tell you this, a hundred years from today all of us will be forgotten, no matter who we are and how important we think we are. No one will remember us. But Jock Stein will be remembered. He made Celtic, and he was the greatest manager Scotland ever produced. I’m just glad I have such great memories of the man.”
Pat Crerand
“Quite often I would go home from training at Barrowfield with bumps and bruises. Training under Big Jock was competitive.”
Bobby Murdoch
“Jock Stein put us on the park afraid of no one.”
Bobby Murdoch
“Jock had a deep and genuine hatred of drink. He loathed it with real and severe feeling.”
Bobby Lennox on Jock Stein (2007)
“Iadmit to being hyper-sensitive about deliberate agendas as, when Ijoined the BBC more than four decades ago, I found myself in a departmental anti-Catholic, anti-Celtic ethos which Ihad to fight against; successfully, Ihave to claim, as Jock Stein became a regular associate of mine as an analyst when previously he would not have been seen dead inside Queen Margaret Drive. This was not done to curry favour at Celtic Park, although the other side of the city thought it was. It was just the right battle to take on for the sake of integrity.”
Archie MacPherson, The Herald (Nov 2012) (link)
“I played wi’ people who played for Stein. He knew all his players wife’s & kids names. 1st person to send flowers to family in hospital.”
John Lambie (Partick Thistle manager and great character)
Any Twitter users could ask Spiers and English what they plan to do to support Jim Spence.
Best win- any victory over the old Huns is always best.
Complaint sent.
Quite a drawn out process.
Should have followed Peter Cook’s advice. Send a letter addressed to “C..t,London.”
Without a stamp.
SFTB – Thanks for posting the St Etienne link – was 4 or 5 years before my time in the Jungle began, but it brought back some great memories. The footage of the 3rd goal when Jinky nutmegged the defender in the lead up play was Celtic at their best.
The bruised and battered St Etienne team showed that the Lions not only played great football but took care of themselves on the park.
Best memories for me are 10 men won the league – ride home on the Cumbernauld double-decker bus was incredible – and the St Mirren title clincher.
lilys grandpa-Me and Lily backing Oscar
16:30 on 10 September, 2013
Masty 16.27,
Were all those Polis not out just for the arrival of your bus? ….:)
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us gorbals bhoys are no like that mate.
Surely the only still loyal huns now clinging on are the ones that cant read or write AND unable to retain the spoken word to formulate any kind of view based on reality. The only thing for certain is the more you step on shi*e the further it spreads but consider anyone who has kissed it gets poisoned. Moonbeams, MSM, The police, Dallas,The BBC, STV, LNS, LONGMUIR….I am loving it for sure …still waiting though …especially for that SFA scalp and possibly UEFA
HH
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo
16:42 on 10 September, 2013
Surely the only still loyal huns now clinging on are the ones that cant read or write AND unable to retain the spoken word to formulate any kind of view based on reality. The only thing for certain is the more you step on shi*e the further it spreads but consider anyone who has kissed it gets poisoned. Moonbeams, MSM, The police, Dallas,The BBC, STV, LNS, LONGMUIR….I am loving it for sure …still waiting though …especially for that SFA scalp and possibly UEFA
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all of them then eh?
Masty 16.41,
Was said in jest, no offence meant,
lilys
hen1rik
15:56 on 10 September, 2013
From SirBarold.
Get this signed for the truth and for Spencey folks http://t.co/kP5HNyYGY1
Time to make a stand everyone this has to stop.
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Done and it was easy peesy :))
Ps seen on TSFM
“Sometimes the bad guys do get away with it but most of the time they don’t”
“all it takes in the end is patience and perseverance.”
Derek William Bentley 45 years
Bloody Sunday 41 Years
Hillsborough 23 years
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Watergate 2 years
Real journalists were on to this one, and did not let go.
Uk/ Scottish media, take note.
Masty
Dont get me wrong I am Not starting to feel Sorry for them but I think the poisioning follows on from pandering to a bunch of thickos.
HH
Masty
Re-assured a bit by your tale from the front line at Ekeren.
We are all @jimspence
Till later all
meeting night
Dont expect a reply , but does any other clubs fan forums offer any support for jim spence .seems that apart from us bhoys , other clubs dont care , BTW where,s turnbull hutton gone , gagged to i expect .
Never tire of saying it.
We were Big Jock’s weans and he spoiled us rotten.
Anyone got a template for the complaint for Jim Spence? Want to do the man justice and get the details correct.
LB
Kenny McIntyre on Twitter claiming they’ve been told not to comment on Jim Spence.
jimtim-i would hope DU fans would back JS.
henriks sombrero
16:53 on 10 September, 2013Kenny McIntyre on Twitter claiming they’ve been told not to comment on Jim Spence.
The BBC =A coward’s charter, List D notice returns.Shameful.
Taken from Dundee United message board.
http://eastfootball.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=42512&page=20
My mate knows Spencey, apparently he applied for early retirement, but it was in advance of zombiegate.
LB
lilys grandpa-Me and Lily backing Oscar
16:48 on 10 September, 2013
Masty 16.41,
Was said in jest, no offence meant,
lilys
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absolutely none taken pal…took it as it was meant..
McIntyre also claiming that all journalists know they are responsible for their own words and don’t expect backing from colleagues.
Boabyevans, petition, petition, whatever, gamriestu, cliftonville celt from belfast praying for Oscar the wee legend, Masonic Judge Petition signed
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Thanks and pass it on to others interested in transparency.
We often hear Salmond give Norway as an example of how Scotland could be. I wonder if he realises that Norwegian judges have to register membmership of the Freemasons and that register is open to members of the public?
http://www.tomminogue.com/blog7.php
One of the best hammerings of the hun that I can remember was New Years Day 1966, early kick-off, frozen pitch, Celtic 0-1 halftime. Fulltime Celtic 5 Huns 1. I think Stevie Chalmers scored à hattrick that day, into the Celtic end at Paradise. Pure magic.
complaint submitted to aunty beeb
HENRIK’S SOMBRERO
That may be the case when a journo issues an opinion. Not so when one is hounded for telling the truth.
McIntyre is a coward-he’ll go far in Scotland!
henriks sombrero-a cop out from McIntyre,why am i not surprised by him? Sounds like the type you wouldn’t want beside you in the trenches,more lapdogs to follow follow i fear.