Queen’s Park, Rangers (twice) and Aberdeen have all won the Scottish Cup three consecutive seasons, a feat Celtic emulated in last year’s final, coming from behind to beat Hearts 2-1.
Queen’s Park lifted the trophy 10 times in total but five of those wins came in seven seasons, between 1879-80 and 1885-86. Defeat to eventual winners Dumbarton in the 1883 quarter final was their only reversal in the competition in five years.
Rangers completed their first hat trick in the Cup between seasons 1933-34 and 1935-36. That run came to an end when Celtic won the Cup in 1937 in the final against Aberdeen, famous for being the highest attended game in European club football ever, 147,365 souls.
Again Rangers won the Cup three times, between seasons 1961-62 and 1963-64, and again Celtic picked up the trophy to end the run in 1965, in what is probably a more famous final against Dunfermline. THAT header from Billy McNeill and two from Bertie Auld won the Cup for Celtic after seven years without a trophy and gave an indication into what was in store for the Jock Stein era that started two months earlier.
During the early 80s Aberdeen came to Glasgow and regularly bossed the occasion. They won three successive Scottish Cups, two against Rangers in 1983 and 1984, and one against 10-man Celtic (Gordon, cough) in 1984, before another famous Scottish Cup Final and another Celtic win.
This time, the 100th final. Dundee United took the lead, before that “piece of history” from Davie Provan and Frank McGarvey’s flying header. Thousands of us got in for free as police opened the gates in what, incredibly, was a non-ticket game, a practice that ended in disaster four years later at Hillsborough.
Celtic are the first team to win three and then reach a fourth Scottish Cup Final, chasing their 40th success in the tournament. Opponents, Hearts, hope to win their eighth Scottish Cup. History calls for both teams, but the rule is clear, since the 19th century, Celtic win the Scottish Cup after any team wins for three successive seasons. Any portent in a storm.
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come on the Celtic
Braw
SMOKED,
No problems with Mikey,but we are short of wide players.Jamesy probably not in the team again until February.Paddy on loan seems a no brainer to me.Moi,not really an out and out wide man.
Does Slippy still think there was no offence committed ?
NB
Were you sitting there with finger poised?
Can’t see the Huns getting beat tonight,but a couple of hamstrings pinging would not go amiss.Carried too much luck,for too long.
Big Wavy
I am glad of the clarification but you overplay the “dinosaur” elements of the curren toperation. We realy haven’t ditched the sports science and the analytics and, well you know it. There are guys employed at CP to do this and they are still doing it. I am not familiar with the Ibrox backroom boys but I would be surprised if they can match ours in experience and quality.
I am a great believer in the value of objective information. In Sport, there is no hiding place and no “artistic merit” marks, like in Ice Dancing. You are told exactly how fast you are, how far you have run, the number of duels won and the number of goals scored and conceded as a result. I don’t think we lack the basic info. I fear the deficiency may lie in the soft science part of the equation, the so-called dinosaur bit, of making a team of individuals a whole with a recognised pattern of play that is faster and braver than we are doing.
The historically bad set of results we had over 15 or so games, with an unusually high likelihood of conceding goals is not down to a lack of analysis, but whatever it was down to, it can only change by inches and , once stabilised, can, maybe kick on. The recent 2 good performances and results are, perhaps, the start of this but we need more evidence.
Nobody is going to be convinced of our resurrection fron the near-dead until we can produce a run that is hte reverse image of the one we have just had, with around 13 out of 15 wins to our credit.
ma wee fingers are always alert—
belated birthday wishes ….may your smoke always be braw..
smiley smiley thing
Braw
Should be a belter tonight between Liverpool and Spurs.I said “Should”.If St Mirren go 2 up,I will switch stations.
In the last Middlesborough game, Paddy was their 5th sub brought on in the 88th minute; he has barely played for them and should be easily secured, for nothing, should we wish to test this out.
But , let’s be clear as to what we are getting. He is a guy who was selected by Boro as their 16th choice in selection. Boro are 10th in the table.
Paddy is just 23 so their is hope he might recover but he needs to come to a club that will play him regularly. He has stagnated since leaving us- having been seen off by James Forrest.
In other news , I see Bilic has been sacked for earning a draw with Man City last night.
TURKEYBHOY – re ManU penalties…always been my English team since the Crerand and Charlton days ;)
Paddy’s loan deal may not be transferable, or revoked…
SFTB,
“We realy haven’t ditched the sports science and the analytics and, well you know it.”
– The idea that there may be a capability and the use are 2 different things. You can see the Huns apply logic to their thinking. We don’t and I’m sure evidence from stats is clearly telling us we have wing backs who don’t create, a captain who runs doesn’t work as a DM, an obsession with shooting and a drop off in goals, corners, fat and unfit players, change in personnel constantly, etc etc. As a decision support tool we are not fixing systemic problems. Oh and a manager who doesn’t really do these things and is more of the old 2000 model of shouting ‘passionately’ at young players.
“The historically bad set of results we had over 15 or so games, with an unusually high likelihood of conceding goals is not down to a lack of analysis”
– It’s a major part of it. Where and how goals are conceded, the fact we are giving up greater quality chances than before, the lack of a functioning DM, the impact on Callum, the lack of creative opportunitites, etc etc.
We see it I think but we have a manager incapable of applying the logical and coherent plan to address it.
“Nobody is going to be convinced of our resurrection fron the near-dead until we can produce a run that is hte reverse image of the one we have just had, with around 13 out of 15 wins to our credit”.
– I’m not convinced because Neil is doubling down on unfit, underperforming and fragile players and not himself in his analysis. He is trying his best but like his managers at the club, they see no problem that can’t be fixed by trying the same thing over again or breakign the players inability to get it.
HH
Paul 67 et al,
Good article.
Celtic setting the standards.
Even in a poor season to date, we are still hopeful of achieving another record.
The record attendance of 147, 365 against the sheep in 1937 is even more remarkable as our average attendance that season was only 14, 737.
HH to all.
After the cup win v Aberdeen we shipped 8 against Motherwell,our record defeat.
if Soro, Turnbull, Hazard don’t play as first choice, I give up
SCHUMMI
Shummi- horses for courses,not flogging the same guys every week, Callum is suffering from that now,Forrest paying for it,as Tierney did,for example I would play Broonie on Sunday for a lot of reasons, whereas Ross County next week I would start Soro…..HH
Ah that 1985 Final.
My abiding memory of that game was an old guy standing next to me being so hacked off by Celtic’s performance that he actually stormed out five minutes before Provan scored.
Poor guy lost faith.
Hail hail
Keep The Faith
Anybody genuinely “Up for the Cup” ?
I’m gonna be honest. I’m struggling.
HH
I might not agree about Lennon starting his tried and trusted players on Sunday,but they have got us there ,so let them start ,as for Paddy Roberts could be the winger we are looking to play on the left wing ,and Frimpong playing on the right wing ,Ajer continues to play at right back,
85
just about glimpsed Provans free kick as i was wheeled to theatre.
by that day, BlantyreTim’s leg had been broken for a few months too !
Didn’t we lose 5 to Dunfermline after the 65 final
BIG WAVY on 16TH DECEMBER 2020 1:48 PM
“Anybody genuinely “Up for the Cup” ?
I’m gonna be honest. I’m struggling.”
Surely that post epitomises what a lot of Celtic fans are suffering from at this time in our history, amnesia. How quickly we forget the 90’s and pre 65, por cierto
SFTB. 12.17
Hi T , my worries might be completely misplaced, but if we analysed the stats during our poor recent run , changes would have been implemented far quicker , imho.
I’ve always enjoyed checking the stats from Celtic by Numbers and more recently, JucoJames on Twitter. They can either confirm or challenge the opinions gleaned from my own mince pies .
On the Sticky’s, the JucoJames dude recently expressed suspicion that Klopp was sharing the system Liverpool use , with Sevco.
Klopp is a huge advocate of analysis and the stuff now available is seemingly even more complex .
Why wouldn’t he share it ? It might confirm or deny his thoughts on whether it would bring improvement.
JucoJames has came to this opinion because every stat available, shows Sevco’s improvement in the last 6 months.
Domestically and in Europe.
One alarming Celtic stat , the other week , declared that in approx 18 games , Firmpong & Laxalt had one assist between them, which belonged to Firmpong.
If I was manager, with that stat available, some serious practice would be adhered to , in delivery by our full backs / wing backs.
That’s just one example of where improvement can be generated by using the information.
We either don’t use it or if we do , the improvement hasn’t been noticeable.
There’s others I could use . Evidence over a number of weeks.
The team selection ( and tactics) suggested to myself ( rightly or wrongly) that there’s a lack of nous in our system.
Is this down to our manager or lack of confidence / ability from the players ??? HH
Think Paddy Roberts must be on his 5th different loan club which tells you everything about his progress or lack thereof.
Can’t wait for the Cup game tbh…………….We are Celtic and redemption is always to be found in the Hoops.
Our direction of travel of late has been better and I’m hopeful of more of the same.
It’s Good To Be A Tim.
I don’t know there seems an awful big rush from the meeja, and some ithers…………to have The Mighty Celtic weakened in print in an attempt to weaken us on and off the pitch………….
Do we have big challenges – sure, but we are a genuinely BIG Club with lots for thems to be afraid of.
GENE on 16TH DECEMBER 2020 2:12 PM
Think Paddy Roberts must be on his 5th different loan club which tells you everything about his progress or lack thereof
Paddy could be a victim of his transfer fee, and the high salary that goes with it,sometimes you get players who are a good fit for a particular club, he could be for us…..
Horses for courses……………I think Paddy could have another tilt in Paradise……………..
Bada
He’s not exactly on an upward trajectory when it comes to the clubs ( of course it had to be downwards after us)
Gene- I think a couple of years ago Man City would have used his profile with Celtic, to try and punt him,probably too rich for us at that time, he must be in last year of his contract now? Not a lot of teams play with wingers now,he needs to pick a club carefully.
Paddy Roberts, my take on it … without the link.
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Let’s puzzle, for a moment, shall we, over the Rise And Fall Of Patrick Roberts.
When he signed for Manchester City it was as one of the most promising youth players in all of England.
The fee was big for a player who was still very early in his career, but those who had watched him said he was worth every penny and every bit of the hype that surrounded him. Who were the rest of us mere mortals to argue with them?
I had never heard of him when he signed for Celtic on loan. I had to look him up, and even then I had to ask a few friends in England to put the signing into some kind of context. What exactly were we getting here? Was all the wonder kid stuff justified?
I was greatly encouraged by the reports I got back. I was even more encouraged when we finally got to see him play. Roberts had the right skill-set alright. He was hugely entertaining on the ball. He was one of those players who, to paraphrase a famous commentator, “gets bums off seats.”
I had little doubt that he was going to go on to a big, big career.
I have written about that career several times on this blog. I believed that for Roberts to be his best self he had to cut the cord that bound him to Manchester.
It was evident, early, that he was never going to be a Manchester City player. If the club has made bad decisions in who it loaned him out to – all but us – then the player himself has made bad decisions in staying there as long as he has. He has never looked happy, and settled, anywhere but Parkhead.
I thought, and I still believe, that he had one chance to sign for Celtic and that was before he signed his last contract at the Etihad. Had the will been there he could have waited, walked on a free, and been our player the following day. I think had it got to the six month mark we’d have opened talks with him, agreed a deal in principle and then paid City a reasonable sum to take him off their hands and end the whole saga at a stroke.
But the minute he signed that new City deal that was over with, and so too was just about any chance of us ever again seeing Patrick Roberts in the Hoops.
Now Celtic badly needs a right sided midfielder, because Forrest is going to be out for God knows how much longer and the club is screaming out for cover in that area anyway. We won’t buy Patrick Roberts but then I wouldn’t want Celtic to spend big money in the coming window, for reasons I’ve already outlined several times; every penny the current manager spends is money that the next guy doesn’t get and under our current “system” we squander too much of it.
I can see why people would conclude, therefore, that Patrick Roberts would represent good business. If his loan at Middlesbrough really is just about done, then he seems like the perfect footballer to come in and take that position on the right hand side. He knows the club. He “gets it” and we all know that on his day Roberts is a phenomenal footballer.
Here’s where things get a little messed up though.
Too many of our fans are focussed on stuff like this, and I worry that they are accurately reflecting the thinking inside the club; unimaginative, uninspiring. There’s the talk of Fraser Forster, as if he was the only goalkeeper out there. There are fans who spend time wondering why Filip Benkovic didn’t come back to Celtic instead of going on loan to Bristol City first and then Cardiff. Now it’s the turn of Roberts, as the old soldier returning for one last campaign.
There have to be other options. Furthermore, there have to be better options. Is it a stretch to suggest that perhaps someone who can’t get a game at Bristol City might not be good enough for Celtic? Is it crazy to think that if you can’t cut it at Middlesbrough you have no business thinking yourself good enough for a sojourn at Parkhead?
We are not a charity for footballers (or managers) who are down on their luck. Fraser Forster gambled on making it at Southampton and the gamble failed. Who would be bailing who out who if we went and brought him back to Scotland? Benkovic has been an expensive flop for Leicester. Rodgers doesn’t trust him in their first team and his loans have been disastrous, all but one. Since leaving Parkhead, Roberts has played a little over 30 games in three years.
He flopped at Girona. He was a disaster at Norwich and now he can’t cut it at Borough. What would it say about us if we put saving this most vital of all seasons in his hands?
Besides, how first team ready do you reckon Roberts is? We could sign that guy and not even see him play first team football for weeks.
Imagine he did come in, and got into the team straight away? The questions that would raise as to why he can come from another club where he’s barely kicked a ball, and be ahead of our own squad players, in his levels of fitness, would be hard for Lennon and our coaching staff to escape. Too few people are pressing Lennon on that question; it would be absolutely unavoidable if someone like Roberts were signed and was suddenly playing every week.
Celtic needs to think out of the box … this is just another example of short-termism and an over-reliance on what has worked before. Roberts had his day at Celtic, and he had his chance to come here and make it a permanent gig.
Like Forster he chased another dream.
That’s fair enough, and both players were right to do so if that’s what they thought was for the betterment of their careers.
Those dreams are over with.
They ended in failure.
Celtic is a different kind of dream, and we need to be better than thinking a Manchester City or Southampton reserve is the answer to our problems.
Bada
You’re right there
James Forrest
Sorry dont agree about Roberts.No one is saying,buy him.6 months loan.Lets see how it developes.He was sensational for us,could be again,and dear God do we need it.We have a mountain to climb,so let’s get every Sherpa,Piton,on board.If it works out ,great.If it does not,well ,it was only a loan.We are not in a position at the moment to knock back any possible way to overhaul the Huns.
I say sign him.
BADA,
So ,you are for Paddy coming back?
James – Agree that Paddy should not be considered an option for Celtic – he probably had his chance and looked the other way. Likely the wages he was on at City plus the route to the EPL was too much for Celtic to compete with. Not dissimilar to Fraser. I’d love him back but he is looking after #1 and we can’t afford him.
Big Wavy – Yes, I’m up for the cup. Can’t wait.
One of the main factors when Paddy played for us, was how he brought out the best in James Forest. That wouldn’t be a reason to bring him back though, I think too that that ship has well and truly sailed. por cierto
Paddy Roberts ws a Peter Lawwell signing :)) por cierto