Howe, Falkirk with a grievance

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You and I have seen enough of the football business to know that even when someone verbally commits to joining Celtic, we should assume nothing.  Eddie Howe wanted his next destination to be an English Premier League city, not Glasgow.  Right now, the Bat Signal is lighting the clouds, anyone who wants to secure English football’s best young manager had better make their move over the weekend.  This is how football works, so let’s not get carried away.

If he arrives, it will be an appointment at the higher end of expectations, compare and contrast to Man City youth coaches who have never been in charge of a dressing room full of adults.  Or even Roy the Intense.

Having filtered through so many possibilities in recent weeks, I can find fault with every one of them, even Brendan Rodgers, who is clearly the best manager in British football right now, did not get a tick in the box when it came to recruitment.  We will critically assess Howe if and when he becomes Celtic manager. For now, let’s just hope we get our man.

Falkirk are atop the third tier and nurse a grievance from a year ago, when they were pipped to promotion by 0.03 of a point per game average by Raith Rovers.  Tomorrow’s Scottish Cup tie has all the hallmarks of an underdog fully motivated against an inconsistent giant.  Some of us will remember a comparable freezing cold night 15 years ago when a young Falkirk striker, Anthony Stokes, scored at Celtic Park on his way to a penalty competition victory in the League Cup.  Let’s turn up prepared and hungry this time; I want the Scottish Cup.

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  1. In these days of digital communications and pandemics, it must be easier than ever to do business remotely and discretely.

     

    Trips to Lennoxtown would surely be in plain sight. However, the media seem well versed.

     

    So, who is briefing them – and why.

     

     

    I’ll welcome any new management team when they are confirmed and in situ

  2. CELTIC MAC on 2ND APRIL 2021 9:58 PM

     

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    Is she another minor languishing in a US cage for children only?

  3. Mr falconbridge taking the piss and bringing it back to Celtic park, he’s probably number 2, and obviously wim , not a player but brought it all together, and settled our souls, thank you👍

  4. UNCLE JIMMY on 2ND APRIL 2021 10:09 PM

     

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    Celtic have made it known to their first choice ….. time is up or Howe will take the job.

  5. bournesouprecipe on 2nd April 2021 9:42 pm

     

     

    Scullybhoy

     

     

    1. Duffy

     

     

    2. Barkas

     

     

    3. Ajeti

     

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

     

     

    Cheeky!

     

     

    You know what I mean.

     

     

    Now go again.

     

     

    HH

     

    BTW thank God Negri(?) got a squash ball(/) in the eye. (in the days when God was a Celtic supporter.

  6. SCULLYBHOY on 2ND APRIL 2021 10:25 PM

     

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    Rumour has it Negri poled his eye out with a stick during fornication.

  7. Big Georges Fan Club – Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on 2nd April 2021 9:50 pm

     

     

    SCULLYBHOY on 2ND APRIL 2021 9:20 PM

     

     

     

     

     

     

    1. Henrik

     

    …and then just checked the squad again on Wikipedia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Celtic_F.C._season#First-team_squad

     

    Love them all. Big Rico Annoni – fabulous – Morten Wieghorst – cigar smokin’ Tommy Johnson – tail end of Andreas Thom’s time at Celtic, the first big player TB signed I think (and the widest thights I’ve ever seen on a footballer), Tosh, Phil O’Donnell (God rest him), Mad Stéphane Mahé….list goes on.

     

    Thanks for the question – enjoying reminiscing !!!!

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

     

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    Cheers mhan. Only thought of the question after the bad-mouthing of Paul Lambert (who I thank God we got – was it because his wife couldn’t settle in Germany?). I just say if they wore the Hoops = love them. Some here just want to lash out all the time?

  8. Super Sizzling Sun

     

     

    EDDIE HOWE is poised to become Celtic’s new manager.

     

     

    SunSport understands the Hoops’ leading candidate to replace Neil Lennon has agreed in principle to take the role.

     

     

    And barring a last-ditch change of heart, the former Bournemouth manager, 43, is expected to sign a contract worth up to £2million a year and be officially announced early next week.

     

     

    The fine details of the deal were being ironed out on Friday night, but Celts’ chiefs are confident they will get their man.

     

     

    Howe has been in a strong negotiating position since Celtic’s major shareholder Dermot Desmond made clear he was the one they wanted during a midweek London summit, as revealed by SunSport.

     

     

    It’s believed he has insisted on full authority on backroom appointments and a sizeable war chest to revamp an ailing squad.

     

     

    It’s also Howe’s desire for close pal and current Bournemouth technical director Richard Hughes to join him in Paradise.

     

     

    Celtic are now likely to make a formal approach to the Cherries board for the five-times capped former Scotland player.

     

     

    SunSport first revealed the possibility of Hughes following Howe to Glasgow.

     

     

    We were also first with the news at the start of the week that Howe had been sounded out by Celts chiefs and was doing his homework on the club.

     

     

    His face-to-face meeting with Desmond left the Irish billionaire in no doubt he was the man for the job.

     

     

    And like he did with Brendan Rodgers in 2016, Desmond is prepared to back the new boss.

     

     

    Howe faces a massive rebuild, with captain Scott Brown leaving, four loan players returning to their clubs and the likelihood of Odsonne Edouard, Kris Ajer and Ryan Christie also heading off.

     

     

    The fate of interim boss John Kennedy and coach Gavin Strachan remains unclear, with Stephen McManus likely to return to development coaching.

     

     

    Howe has been out of football since leaving Bournemouth last August following their relegation to the Championship.

     

     

    He wanted time out to be with his family, but his hunger has returned and he is excited by the challenge provided by Celtic.

     

     

    Newcastle and Crystal Palace could be looking for new bosses this summer.

     

     

    However, Desmond and departing chief executive Peter Lawwell are thought to have convinced Howe he can achieve greatness with Celtic and they are keen to tie up the loose ends over the weekend.

  9. Sionnaigh on 2nd April 2021 10:33 pm

     

     

    SCULLYBHOY on 2ND APRIL 2021 10:25 PM

     

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    Rumour has it Negri poled his eye out with a stick during fornication.

     

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    Please – I used to like you! Even if it is true – leave it. Good Friday and all that.

     

     

    HH

  10. UNCLE JIMMY on 2ND APRIL 2021 10:09 PM

     

     

    Paul67 is a smart guy. I know the comments section on the blog is in the main sceptical about every article he posts but we could learn a little about how things work by reading the articles with a bit more objectivity

     

     

    CQN was set up as an alternative to the lazy biased media we’ve had to suffer since forever. Paul understands the game.

     

     

    Read the article for a possible answer to your question. Howe’s team are leaking to the main stream media to flush out genuine interest.

     

     

    I

  11. Scully boy, forgot who the best player was for them .A mr jim white, still got that wee picture in a frame from the daily record

  12. Big G on 2nd April 2021 10:42 pm

     

     

    Scully boy, forgot who the best player was for them .A mr jim white, still got that wee picture in a frame from the daily record

     

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    What the f###. Off now – can only take so much bull~~~~.

  13. Why is it only us and the Huns who need a war chest ?

     

     

    Do the Scottish media see football as some crap game of thrones type thing.

     

     

    I’ve never seen the phrase used in regard to a team in the epl

  14. Scullyboy, do you know who jim white is, I’m startling to think you’re in your, 20’s

  15. CELTC40ME

     

     

    you would think they would change the lingo.

     

     

    at this rate itll be thugs and thieves by start of next season

     

     

    dont buy it or its slant.

     

     

    hh

     

    i

  16. How good would it be if waking up tomorrow, our club had made a decision, there is dreams to be made, if you’re over 25.

  17. AT good sounds as usual, have you tuned in to Mylo Music featuring Derek Warwick and the Young Wolfe Tones

  18. Scully boy I see you’ve not apologised so you are a teenager, please check out jim white, he’s not a bad guy just A bit staunch who’s face couldn’t cope.

  19. Thinking from the past,still askin today

     

    much missed on the 5wa

     

     

     

     

    Posted by Paul McConville

     

     

    The following post is (a) technical and (b) hypothetical. I suspect that nobody will go down these roads to get access to the 5-way Agreement. Maybe old-fashioned investigative reporting will get hold of the executed copy. However, as there are practical reasons why it being published would be beneficial, that probably means that it will stay hidden!

     

     

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    The “Holy Grail” of Scottish football is, for now anyway, the famous 5-way Agreement. This notorious document was agreed between the Scottish Premier League, Scottish Football Association, Scottish Football League, RFC 2012 PLC (in liquidation) and Rangers Football Club Ltd. Like the Holy Grail, it has been much spoken of, but never seen, except by a select few.

     

     

    It provided the pathway for “Rangers” to enter Scottish football after the decision of the SPL to refuse to approve the transfer of SPL share from oldco Rangers to newco Rangers. The 5-way Agreement smoothed the path of Rangers to SFA membership.

     

     

    Despite it being covered and discussed at great length in the press, on radio and TV, and in blogs and message boards, the terms of the Agreement have never been published. On assumes that commercial confidentiality is offered as a reason for this. Of course there are confidential details – but the impression has been given that even the members of the football bodies – the clubs – have not seen the terms.

     

     

    The management of each body has authority to conclude such an agreement – there is no suggestion it was ultra vires – and there was no requirement for each organisation to approve the deal.

     

     

    One of the key clauses in the Agreement is that by which newco accepted responsibility for oldco’s “football debt”. What does that mean?

     

     

    There are various possibilities.

     

     

    It could mean only the debt owed to other football teams when Rangers entered administration.

     

     

    It could refer to any debt owed, or which becomes owed, by oldco in relation to football activities.

     

     

    It could extend to fines imposed on oldco for breaching rules.

     

     

    It could go as far as binding newco to cover awards of damages made against oldco for “football wrongs”.

     

     

    These thoughts were prompted by an article by Phil Mac Giolla Bhain on Friday 8th March.

     

     

    In it he suggested, based on information from a sports lawyer, that clubs which had been financially harmed by Rangers breaking rules regarding disclosure, as determined by the Nimmo Smith Commission, could take action against oldco under SFA/SPL disputes procedures.

     

     

    As the lawyer points out, the case would be against the oldco and not the newco. Whether it would be worthwhile pursuing a case would depend on the terms of the 5-way Agreement.

     

     

    In addition, although perhaps a more remote claim, sponsors could potentially take action against oldco, in a similar way to the proposed legal actions by various companies against Lance Armstrong. There could also be the possibility (remote however) of a supporter of an aggrieved team taking a civil action on the basis that the contest they were paying to see was rendered unfair by oldco rule breaking.

     

    (The point of this piece is not to consider the possibility of success of such an action but whether there are ways in which disclosure of the 5-way Agreement could be forced as part of, or as a preliminary to, a claim. I am not suggesting that such an action would be used as a device to disclose the Agreement.)

     

     

    As Phil’s piece mentions, though not in these terms, there is no res iudicata arising from the Nimmo Smith Commission. This means, simply, that the decision of the Commission, whilst persuasive in relation to any future arbitration, Commission or court hearing, is NOT binding.

     

     

    Now, any of the parties mentioned above would want to know, prior to raising a complaint under the SFA/SPL process, or a court action, if their claim was one newco might have to meet, under the 5-way Agreement.

     

     

    (I will also pass over just now whether the 5-way Agreement could provide legally enforceable rights of recovery to a third party, not a member of the various football bodies, and not party to the Agreement.)

     

     

    So how to get hold of the Agreement?

     

     

    Where the process is an arbitration, which would apply in a dispute between another football club and oldco, the Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010 contains the rules of procedure and these give the arbiter the power to order disclosure of any relevant documents. However, to get to that stage, an arbitration needs to have been commenced.

     

     

    It is possible to seek production of the Agreement in advance of a court action, by using the procedure under the Administration of Justice (Scotland) Act 1972.

     

     

    Section 1 of the Act confers on the Court of Session and the sheriff court power to make various orders before commencement of proceedings including an order for the inspection, photographing, preservation, custody and detention of documents which appear to the court to be property as to which any question may relevantly arise not only in any existing civil proceedings before that court but in civil proceedings which are likely to be brought, and to order the production and recovery of any such property.

     

    Before the court may grant the order it is necessary for the applicant to show that civil proceedings are likely to be brought, and that in such proceedings questions may relevantly arise as to the documents. In order to do so he must give sufficient information to enable the court to know what the action is going to be about, and what assistance the documents or other property referred to will give in deciding it. The applicant must disclose the nature of the claim he intends to make and show, not only the intention of making it, but also that there is a reasonable basis for making it. A prima facie case must be made out.

     

     

    As the late Lord MacPhail’s book on Sheriff Court Practice states:-

     

     

    “Ill-founded, irresponsible and speculative allegations based merely on hope would not provide a reasonable basis for an intended claim in subsequent proceedings.”

     

     

    As an action would be against oldco (ignoring too the complications of raising proceedings against a company in liquidation) the relevance of the 5-way Agreement would be to determine if there was in fact a third party, newco, who was “indemnifying” oldco.

     

     

    Should a company or an individual make such an application, it would be instructive to see if any of the parties holding a copy of the Agreement, namely the five parties, would be willing to agree to disclosure, or whether they would fight against it. Whilst the court would consider an argument about confidentiality, it is by no means certain, and indeed is unlikely, that that would prevent an order for disclosure where that was the only contrary argument.

     

     

    Matters would be simplified, of course, if the Agreement was published, even with redaction. After all, as it is a document which clearly has importance for the welfare of a PLC and its investors (Rangers International FC PLC), there is an argument that Rangers itself should be disclosing it.

     

     

    It would be of use to investors to know how far the “football debt” clause extended.

     

     

    Will someone make such an application? It might be worth a go, if only to provoke reaction! But one should never use court proceedings for such a frivolous purpose!

     

     

    🙂

     

     

    HH

  20. On this relative weekend, Ive been watching the Music Videos of one of my favourite Bands of the late 1980’s…” The CHRISTIANS”.

     

    Those Liverpool Boys were superb with songs like ” Forgotten Town,…. Ideal World,… Harvest for the World, …When the Finger Points ” Etc etc.

     

    The lyrics in some of the songs that I have mentioned are so relative Today and the Lead Singer ” Garry Christian” had such a great voice and stage presence.

     

     

    I caught a few minutes of a Childrens TV Show one Saturday morning , and the guests were “The Christians”. the lead singer and the Keyboard player played and sang in front of a Live Childrens audience..it was The BBC studio…I think ?

     

     

    Normally on these Childrens Saturday TV Shows, a guest Group or a Singer would give away ” CD’s and Signed T Shirts” etc to some of the kids.

     

     

    These Two members of The Christians gave one young lad a CD, and T Shirt etc….and then came the real surprise Gift….they gave the KEYBOARD to the young Boy also…LIVE on Air !

     

    the Host of the show was speechless and couldnt believe the fantastic gesture by The Christians….and I am sure that the Host actually asked The Christians…” Are you Joking ?”…when the Guys offered the Keyboard that they had just used as a Prize !

     

    Superb Songs and Superb Vocals.

     

    HH

  21. Jimmy Bhoy………..

     

     

    one of the best gigs I went to was at the QM Union- The Christians 87′ 88…I think………

     

    Phenomenal night, after the set they hung around the bar and just got wrecked with all of us, the lead singer was a big hit with the rather discerning ladies of the QMU as I remember…….You’d a got on well with him!

     

     

    HH

  22. Morning all!

     

     

    Another fine day to look forward too.

     

     

    Tan coming along nicely and BBQ planned for later today.

     

     

    My only concern, if Howe joins us – will his family come with him and will they settle in Bonny Scotland?

  23. fourstonecoppi on

    Feckin hell its vatican quick news!. Bad enough politics………..

     

     

    IT’S A BLOODY FITBA’ SITE ABOUT ‘THE CELLIC’ fur goodness sake!