The opening goal at yesterday’s Hibs-Newco game was a mirror of the chance James Forrest scored in the first semi-final a day earlier. Both goals had to be snatched at waist height, presenting a challenge to keep the ball down. With the score at 3-1, Newco’s Connor Goldson had a similar opportunity, if only he had the same hunger as Forrest or Boyle, the result may have been different.
After the game, the despondent Newco vice-captain questioned the hunger his side had shown all season. I have sympathy for the player, he was frustrated and trying to make sense of a decline he is unable to arrest. Is it really hunger, though?
I’ve played in teams a million levels below the Scottish professional game where no amount of hunger could lift my team. No one wants to lose, ever, it does not happen, but it takes a huge amount of symbiosis to transform a losing side. You cannot just want this phenomenon into existence.
I’ve heard countless fans, as well as professional players including some at Celtic, complain about the attitude of others in the team. No one has ever said, “I’m not really up for it today”, it’s always someone else who has the problem.
What Connor Goldson has detected is not a lack of hunger, he was talking about Newco, one trophy in their history, no one is full after the first course. It is more subtle than that.
The club had no money to invigorate the squad in the summer. A third of them are in their mid to late 30s, another third are in the final 18 months of their contracts and have not been presented with an acceptable extension that would settle their futures, while at least half of them were not very good to begin with.
What Goldson attributes as a lack of hunger is a manifestation of poorly addressed structural problems – he would have been far better explaining the problems in this manner. His new manager is now cursed with the responsibility of banging his fist on tables and shouting lots to ‘get them hungry’. It’s bullocks, a remnant of the 70s, as relevant to the game today as the Gullane Dunes are to sports science.
It is a challenge, but football clubs need to lose with some perspective, even accept that losing may be a likely outcome before returning to a successful plan. Screechy demands for fight and hunger are for losers who will never consistently escape that state. It is for others to decide whether we achieved this since losing became likely last season, next month’s #Tooraloo Final will prove informative.
#Tooraloo.
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I’m asking for a friend here, but I see energy firm Bulb is to be put into something called ‘Special Administration’. Will that involve an engine-room subsidiary and ‘demotion’ to the third tier of energy providers?
I agree with Mark Wilson, was waiting for him to burst the net when that ball came over
EMERALDBEE \O/ A DOUBLE NINER!! on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 5:55 PM
KINGLUBO on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 3:07 PM
Is this another indication that things are changing?
Sadly, no. And your surprise that Clancy awarded a penalty for a clear and obvious penalty is evidence that things have not changed.
The TV praise lavished on St Johnstone’s spoiling tactics is further evidence. The commentariat were hoping against hope not so much for a Perth victory but far more for a Celtic defeat.
As for the print media, it is unkind to intrude on private grief. But the back page ‘Follow-Follow’ brigade were united in identifying a Jota hand-ball before the goal. Blinded by tears, they demanded VAR.
I suspect VAR in Scotland would be uniquely susceptible to the colours of players’ jerseys.
anybody know how to share photos on the site? tiny pics is kaput!
Amazing video,gone viral,of the making of the Bertie Auld tribute demo by the GB.The time,effort,expertise,that go into these projects,amazing.
Won’t please the” Me no likee” mob right enough.
SAINT STIVS on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 4:53 PM
why do people pu ttheir christmas trees up so early.
bah humbug
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Ah now stivs,tbf your a bit late down the tail o the bank :-) The subliminal messagin to the provi-man goes out up my way early September:-))).enjoy👇
Badabing
Thanks for the heads up 👍👇
https://youtu.be/UPH89zMxp6Q
HH
TURKEYBHOY on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 8:28 PM
This might be it.
https://youtu.be/O33Pus2fQQE
Just a personal observation on the Jota situation. I hope we do sign him and if the temporary transfer contains a rock-solid clause that ensures that we have an obligation to buy and, Benfica have an obligation to sell to us, then I fail to see the advantage in doing a deal right now.
However, it that the deal? Of course no one outside of Celtic, Benfica, Jota & his agent will know the wording. I suspect that we will have first option to buy at an agreed price, assuming the player is willing. To bind the player with no get-out would be a restriction – Bosman abolished restrictions on a player’s freedom of movement. This is not a classic Bosman case, but the over-arching principles would most probably apply.
Jota is hungry and eager to impress at the moment. If he helps us to win the league, we may be disposed to offer him a better salary then, than we would now.We need him desperately this season – let’s not risk blunting his audition with a premature bumper contract……if we don’t have to.
Serious injury is another scenario to be considered.
No one can force Jota to sign for us. As it stands, if we want him AND he wants to come, it will happen.
If they want to sell him and we want to buy him, if he says no then he won’t sign, and there’s not a thing we could do about it
We had an agreement with Nantes to sign Judas. He himself said he’d sign, but until he signs it means nothing
God. Really anxious now
If you had a couple minutes to spare to read this, I’d love cqn’s opinion.
I live near Richmond North Yorkshire. It is celebrating its 950th anniversary. In a magazine promoting the 950th anniversary is written the following article;
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wPPBGRT64VxVAz3r9
This didn’t read right when I read it. I looked into it and found
A: PC Charles Manley died of enteritis (cholera) in January 1845 (I have a copy of his birth cert).
B: He was assaulted by a William Dunn in July 1845 . After a significant search, there is no evidence William Dunn was Irish. 3 English William Dunns were living in the area at the time (1841 census). 1 was of unspecified origin (I suspect he was 1 of the 3 identified William Dunns).
C: The county records at Northallerton have no record of a fatal assault (records of ‘Quarter Sessions’) and have many records of a toerag William Dunn up to no good.
In short the article ‘Richmond’s shame’ has no national or local records which relate to a PC Charles Manley being killed by A a mob, B an Irish mob, C an Irish person.
What can I do about this? It’s not right! But, I’m not sure where to go with it.
[If anyone’s interested, I can try and share the photos of the death certificate, British Newspaper Archives of the time and quarter session archives.]
Back to things that actually happened, Big Sutty, Micah Richards and Rob Green were talking on 5 live about what Goldson said after their disaster yesterday
You can imagine how much fun Sutton had with it, but Richards was surprised that he’d said it but not with what he’d said. He could quite imagine a scenario where the players would struggle to motivate themselves after winning the league, and that it’s extremely difficult to change a mindset like that once it’s there
Serious, deep-rooted problems chez-hun
oops **** he was assaulted by william dunn in July 1844 (british newspaper article)
Live sport, the possible big disruption?
https://youtu.be/CBApJuoOUto
Judas was “used” by the old board to lift the team to new heights before the Super Joe Miller SCF 1989,
Celts 1-0 huns!
Then old board either wriggled out of Judas deal, or it really did just fall apart?
Either way, something very sleekit must’ve been done by old board to Judas to piss him off and go to the huns?
Or maybe old board genuinely couldn’t resolve Judas tax issue, and the sleekit Ibrox board EBTed Judas tax issue, and put Celtic fc onto its ass, taking a Celtic new board and 10 years to come back from the Judas mugging!
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/1347300705938321409/1614984455/600×200
Petec hmmm?
Cannae (w8) until the Ruud Bhoy is Spinning SONICS.
Kev in da Jungle.
MAGICAL.
Control……
The Mighty Jungle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCgxohDe_Ng
Right – I don’t do this normally, but went on to Follow Follow for a wee peak at their comments from yesterday – I see some of you guys doing that. Now I can see why – absolute comedy (the language is shocking – very limited vocabulisticst – limited to F and U and C and K – and usually in that order.)
Just before Hibs’ third goal – this one caught my eye from ‘Beer Bear’
Yesterday at 4:36 PM
#1,174
Right, I’ve put my Rangers top on let’s see if that changes anything.
I can’t repeat his comment from three minutes later :-)))
I also liked this one – and fair play to the chap for the slightly-edited-but-fooling-no-one swearies – showed some humour at least:
Jase
Well-Known Member
Yesterday at 4:40 PM
#1,271
Fcuk, fcuk fcukity fcuk.
That one really tickles me – I’m a bad man.
HH
BGFC
Park the bus > blootir it > simple
I was in Milton Keyenes (i know the spelling is wrang sorry) as Celtic beat Aberdeen 5-0.Johnny Barnes.CSC :)
He wanted to sign for us. He was happy with the deal until he saw what the tax man was taking. His agent asked Murray if he was interested. Tell Mo to sign for us and we will deal with tax issue. Rangers dealt with the tax issue by not paying it.
The tax cheating started long before the dos scheme.
Ange has us ALLBelievin.
We will get something in Germany,
Coupla points:
Weird seeing so many comments saying the Huns played shite.
From the game ‘highlights’ on YT, the edit showed it was all them with Hibs poking in a couple of goals (hearty congrats to Martin Boyle btw who is now Harry Hood-class).
Question is, are the TV companies even in on ‘Project Big-Up’ to favour The The Rangers, as well as the refs?
JOTA interview – don’t want to put mockers on, but I sense our signing of the lad may still be up in the air. Quizzed 2 or 3 times about whether he wanted to stay, he dropped the shoulder and side-swerved the answer with ‘not thinking about future; just doing my best…’ Sad to say but I have to accept that a Portugese with great skills may honestly fancy seasons in the Liga or EPL sun more than winters of discontent in Scotland. Who knows? Only the player, for sure.
STEPPINGSTONECSC
Sky422 for 38 minutes of fun as hun game on😂😂😂😂😂
Jota couldn’t say anything else. He c0uld hardly give a yes or no response.
WESTCRAIGS@9:43pm
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Judas was on Scotsport with Jim White, the week after MJ scored the late winner against us at Ibrox in 1989.
JW was angling for a stick to batter Celtic with.
JW: “So Maurice, what made you choose Rangers, over Celtic? Was it simply that Rangers offered you more money, than what Celtic offered you?”
MJ: “No, that wasn’t the case at all Jim. Celtic offered me a deal, and Rangers equally matched that deal, pound, for pound. The problem that made the Celtic offer fall apart, was that Celtic said they wouldn’t pay my tax issue related to my, Nantes deal, but Rangers did pay the tax bill, so I went to Rangers. It was as simple as that, Jim.”
In later years, about a decade later, BBC showed a documentary called,
“Clash of the Titans” about the Old Firm.
Souness was interviewed, he was asked about Judas signing.
BBC: “Did Maurice Johnston’s signing work for Rangers?”
Souness: “We signed Mo, to hurt Celtic. We knew what he meant to Celtic supporters, so we wanted to hurt them, and I think we managed to achieve that. It’s taken Celtic ten years to get themselves together, to come back at us, so yes, Maurice’s signing worked for Rangers.”
At that point in time 1989, because Celtic didn’t pay the tax bill, but Rangers did pay it, Celtic board were painted as misers.
None of us new until 30+ years later, EBT’s.
30 year’s later!!!
Deary me.
‘This is our era, let’s go and make history.’
The quote from Mr Stein, when, he first arrived.
brilliant.
I believe Ange has the same, philosophy.
HH
Brian
Celtic are still in a transitional season and it shows in our results. We still have a long way to go without considering the other teams in the league.
In January the board will need to back ange in the market. We need to sign up a 1st pick leftback, centre mid (perhaps 2) and centre forward minimum to help with the longer term rebuild and getting players in who fit the system.
HH
CORKCELT
I think he coulda shown more enthusiasm – loving it here; suits my style; dream to keep playing for such a club; loving life in Lennoxtown ;)
Mibby all loaners say the same and hope I’m wrang – but he just seemed very barge-pole like in his approach.
WESTCRAIGS on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 9:43 PM
He wanted to sign for us. He was happy with the deal until he saw what the tax man was taking. His agent asked Murray if he was interested. Tell Mo to sign for us and we will deal with tax issue. Rangers dealt with the tax issue by not paying it.
The tax cheating started long before the dos scheme.
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Goram was paid cash and has admitted that. Only a fool would believe the likes of Boli and Hately were paid on the books and not through some dodgy account in Monte Carlo. Murray is a shyster and always was so what happened between 1988 and 1999 is anyones guess.
CELTIC40ME on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 9:08 PM
Back to things that actually happened, Big Sutty, Micah Richards and Rob Green were talking on 5 live about what Goldson said after their disaster yesterday
You can imagine how much fun Sutton had with it, but Richards was surprised that he’d said it but not with what he’d said. He could quite imagine a scenario where the players would struggle to motivate themselves after winning the league, and that it’s extremely difficult to change a mindset like that once it’s there
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Goldson and his agent have one foot out of the door as his deal comes to an end Thats abut the extent of it.
If Jota signs next summer,fantastic.If he backs out,that’s life.Not nothing we can do about it.Why worry about things you have no control over.I am sure we will get another couple of diamonds in January.
Just enjoy for now.
DAVID17 on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 10:47 PM
He’s got nothing to gain from going rogue. His team mates wouldn’t forgive him for chucking them under the bus and he’d be finished with the fans.
Vice-captain and first person to talk after a defeat like that, he wouldn’t be put in front of the e cameras if he was going to pull the pin on a Grenade
I think their heads have be so filled with Gerrard’s sargeant major bullshitvthat they think this is what people want to hear.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEzYn3pXEAAmoTL?format=jpg&name=large
Best £49 ever….£49 CSC
lol 😉
Turkeybhoy on 22nd November 2021 10:55 pm – Agree; live for the day.
I just mentioned it, as so many fans are chiding the club for not signing him up today.
He has to want the club just as much as we want him.
SID on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 1:51 PM .
Spot on ma man . We’ve still some quality needing brought in , I suggest a striker to get on the end of those cut backs jota lays on a plate .
DAVID17 on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 10:43 PM
WESTCRAIGS on 22ND NOVEMBER 2021 9:43 PM
He wanted to sign for us. He was happy with the deal until he saw what the tax man was taking. His agent asked Murray if he was interested. Tell Mo to sign for us and we will deal with tax issue. Rangers dealt with the tax issue by not paying it.
The tax cheating started long before the dos scheme.
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Goram was paid cash and has admitted that. Only a fool would believe the likes of Boli and Hately were paid on the books and not through some dodgy account in Monte Carlo. Murray is a shyster and always was so what happened between 1988 and 1999 is anyones guess.
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Like father like son.David was a shyster,tho one hundred pence i think was still to dear.
The old rfc board knew from the min they credit checked him what he was.55 out of 56paper companies,the 1 exception was Gavi Masterton/b.o.s recently loaned 4.7m to,used to buy rfc.lever financed from day1.1988.
Offshoring it was called then.good tax ruse sees them have dodgy signings every year.some like Trevor Stevens bought and sold in one year.
At 87% owned he had the perfect permanent loss making chattel for murray group until his tax affairs came of note.’Dos’ your right wasn’t the start.
In business happening across a tax advantage like it gave,along with ebts, are a matter for skanks like murray.
One hunner pence then shatoot.
Identity crisis for the rest of time.
Oh did I mention rfc couldn’t operate making money,
In a real live tangible experiment and as empirical evidence I give you Sevco
The club “accepted into” our league in 2012
Cumulative debt in 9 year of 100m+
Hope your good David.
HH
What a milestone lifted from Ange’s neck with that victory. Der Hun chewing gum.