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Imperious Celtic in metaphor

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There has been a lot of noise around football in Scotland since we put Newco on the canvas to win the league on Sunday.  Notions are being peddled that directors left Newco because they had to make room for new people, who will bring bags of money any day now.  It’s just nonsense.

This photo of an imperious Ali (then Clay) and Liston on the canvas is the perfect metaphor for football in Glasgow right now.  Ali went on to set records, entertain, and become one of the world’s sporting greats.  Whereas this is the best known photo Liston; flattened two minutes into a match against his then rival.

The world had already changed for both boxers before this fight, although Liston only realised it that day, and there was nothing he could do about it.

Now Clay swings with a right, what a beautiful swing!
And the punch raises the Bear clear out of the ring.
Liston is still rising, and the ref wears a frown,
For he can’t start counting till Sonny comes down.
—Muhammad Ali

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  1. THE EXILED TIM on 3RD MAY 2018 7:04 PM

     

     

    Nat

     

     

    I didn’t know if Puggies would be known down Glasgow way :-)

     

     

    HH

     

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    That’s what we used to call them in The People’s Republic of Coatbridge. My other half is an Aussie and they call them “pokies”. She’s an accountant and when she arrived in Glasgow she had the job of doing the accounts for a pub. She was surprised at how much income the pub got from the “fruit machine” and commented what an unusual idea it was to dispense bananas and apples from a pub vending machine….

  2. DELANEYS DUNKY did you see my post earlier, benny lynch;s great grandson came into our salon 12 months ago, boy was i honored.hh.

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    ERNIE LYNCH on 3RD MAY 2018 3:16 PM

     

     

    Auldheid on 3rd May 2018 2:41 pm

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Whatever the Compliance Officer reports, and whatever the SFA do about it, one thing is clear.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The SFA will still regard them as the same club., and the official records will show them as being the same club.

     

     

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    Three things.

     

     

    1. UEFA do not share the SFA view regarding same club.

     

     

    2. It is SPL titles so is it not up to the SPFL to reflect on their position dependent on what Comp Off says and the conflict with UEFA whose rules both SFA and SPFL are bound by?

     

     

    3. If Comp Off finds deception at play then if same club TRFC can be sanctioned, unless they fall back on the Traverso letter as a defence.

     

     

    What a pickle.Dum de Dum de Dum. :)

  4. Delaneys Dunky on

    TET

     

     

    One of my favourite expressions is the Fife term after a good meal, “I am as fu’ as a puggie.” Weegies don’t say puggie, or at least us Pertyck weegies don’t. It was a bandit to me growing up in the West of Glesca.

  5. Puggies are fruit machines first, dugs a distant second in my experience growing up in Paisley.

  6. okay saturday night, coatbridge/glenboig, the tally would come round, do you want an iced drink ok bowl of ice cream a bottle of barrs american cream soda, there is your ice drink.hh.

  7. THE EXILED TIM, he looks well, joan the missus has just got upset after reading the comments, she sends her love and best wishes, keep on keeping on pal luv ya to bits.hh.

  8. Delaney’s Dunky

     

     

    I knew what puggies were years ago but another word you use is as interesting to me. Weegies.

     

     

    In my experience nobody described Glaswegians as ‘Weegies’ until the novel of Trainspotting became a bestseller – in the mid 90s. I had stayed in the capital for about 10 years before the book became a success two years after it was published and had never once been referred to using that word.

     

     

    I played football in schemes mentioned in the book and even dated one really lovely girl, Yvonne, from one of those estates for months and although there was no affection for our city – Yvonne’s first reaction on first meeting me was typical ‘OH…You’re from throoo the WEST!’ was relatively polite. But never the ‘W’ word.

     

     

    Life imitating art.

     

     

    Jimbo67

  9. Delaney’s Dunky,

     

    Jim Watt is a current bun. Perhaps this may have influenced your dad’s view :-)

     

    I was once at a Sports dinner in Edinburgh. Watt was the speaker. The liquidated

     

    Club were in their pomp. Kevin Keegan was on the same table as me. Watt’s speech

     

    was graceless and arrogantly disrespectful of his previous opponents and other

     

    sportsmen. Keegan apologised to our host and asked to be excused. He was appalled

     

    at Watt’s speech.

  10. Ron Bacardi on

    Boxing was all about gambling then. In USA the mafia probably decided the winner and winning round before the fight. The fighters followed instructions.

  11. BP

     

    loved ice cream and American Cream Soda

     

     

    When my kids were young and we visited my parents – my mum used to take them to the Cafe in Castlemilk rd and treat them – they still remember it 30 years later. I’m sure she’s looking down on us now

  12. weebobbycollins et al

     

     

    Always found it fascinating that the the second Ali-Liston fight took place in an Ice Rink in Lewiston Maine, (a town which coincidentally I know well) given that it really was the equivalent of a Paisley or a Falkirk. (The latter where at one point you were more likely to find OldTim67 whizzing round on his blades, than Ali or Liston). But I digress. Sonny took a dive in 1965, no doubt about it. Lewiston? Well Miami was mobbed up at the time, and they were involved in the first fight. So were Boston and NYC at the time. Have read that Sonny was part owner of the Company that promoted the fight, but if so that was almost a front for the mob. Jersey Joe Walcott, the ref, who knew a bit about boxing thought he had slipped so didn’t start the count, and encouraged Sonny to get back fighting, which he did briefly, before the fight was stopped. Sonny was still compos mentis. Interestingly enough, if you look at the aftermath, you will see George Chuvalo (Who was in line to fight Sonny if he had won) pile into the ring and confront Ali, who wasn’t looking so confident at this time, and remonstrate with him. Not to say Sonny would have won of course, but he was a big hitter, fought on until 1970 and only lost one fight after that. Money talks.

  13. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    American Cream Soda,aye,difficult to beat.

     

     

    I’ll raise you Red Cola,though only as the base for the iced drink.

  14. Delaneys Dunky on

    Jimbo

     

     

    I moved to Leven in Fife in 1986. I was known as Glesgae Gorry the Weegie. I liked my nickname. Thought it was a term of endearment fae the Fifers.

  15. BMCUW

     

    On the money there , Curries Red Kola and Equis Vanilla Ice Cream make an ice drink that would make grown men cry, well me anyway.

     

    At the moment am stuck at the Bier Bar in Bruss

  16. A Ceiler Gonof Rust on

    Jimbo67, first time I heard the term weegie was 1988. Guy I worked with in Montrose, a Hibby from the the city used it regularly. I left Montrose in 1990 and never heard the expression again until I read trainspotting eight years later.

  17. Sorry, Brussels Airport , so I’ll have to make do with a large glass of Leffe Blonde. It’s a tough life. Incidentally fruit machines were always puggys in darkest Lanarkshire and the dark North. Oh aye, and the “Rangers” are shite. HH

  18. BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS bobby maybe as a second but american cream soda creme de la creme.hh.

  19. Delaneys Dunky on

    Rubicon

     

     

    My dad was a big supporter of all good Scottish sportsmen. He even loved Jim Baxter, Ralph Brand and Jimmy Miller of the 60s hun mob. He had no time for Alex McDonald or John Greig. He spoke about that pair like he spoke about Jock Wallace and Jim Watt. My da was usually a good judge of character. You maybe correct.

  20. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    JMCCORMICK

     

     

    As an Ayrshire lad,I can confirm it was Curries Red Cola which was and is the base of that cocktail!

  21. Delaney’s Dunky.

     

     

    Had a few Fife mates and they always had their own language- I learned ‘Puggies’ from them.

     

     

    Rubicon

     

     

    How you doing? Hope all good with you. I mind you not liking Watt from a long time ago – the day after he beat O’Grady you, my dad and I had a couple of pints before a game ( a 3-0 loss at the Shi**pit) and you were scathing about him.

     

     

    Jimbo67

  22. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    BIGPACKY

     

     

    I’d have a glass of American Cream Soda in preference to Red Cola. Add a scoop of ice-cream,and the roles are reversed.

  23. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Seriously got to laugh at the bullshit peddling comparisons with Titans of world sport, we beat a pub team and we’re in the same class as Ali and Liston, away and bile yer heed Ffs

     

    Not lazy churnalism just rediculous propaganda

  24. ACGR

     

     

    Welsh obviously picked it up but it was not in wide usage. I do mind a game we played at Tynecastle in 95 ( we won 4-0) and being in the home end and it was ‘Get intae these Weegies’ from flaming Heriot’s’ types which was just before the film.

     

     

     

    Jimbo67