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Implicit backing for Neil after a long 48 hours

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It was a long 48 hours before yesterday’s statement from chief exec, Peter Lawwell.  He explicitly acknowledged “hurt, disappointment and frustration following the team’s recent results”, but the implicit backing was there for “Neil, the players and the backroom staff”.

I have been critical of Neil’s decision in recent weeks, team plans change every hour but we do not appear to know how fix the fundamental problem.  What actually is wrong? is a harder question to answer than it appears.  It was not playing three at the back (or four), nor was choosing one player over another.  If only it was as simple as a solitary scapegoat in the team.  There is bigger question: Is the problem actually the manager?

It could be.  Responsibility to fix team structure certainly lies with Neil, but there are doubtlessly other things going on that few of us are aware of.  Neil carries the can, but he would be gone if the board thought that was all there is to the story.

Winning the league is going to take a huge effort this month and successful recruitment next month.  Having been denied the opportunity to scout players during the spring and summer, a great deal of work has gone into preparing for January.  Do the club have faith in this work?  Would another manager ‘put his name’ to those targets blind?

Your recruitment strategy goes out the door with the manager.  My suspicion is the club weigh the need for squad additions higher than changing the manager.  These are the questions that separate those who are paid the big bucks from those who write blogs.  Thankfully……

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  1. Roberttressell

     

    And you think retirement is easy – try popping in here a few times a day (well maybe more than a few)

  2. prestonpans bhoys on

    Watching the CL games and when the substitutions happen, the sub is versed with the staff management holding a tablet or board indicating the strategy/tactics.

     

     

    Do we do that or is it a pat on the arse and off you go😱😵

  3. GLENDALYSTONSILS on 2ND DECEMBER 2020 8:44 PM

     

     

    No, I didn’t mean that. I kind of meant the opposite.

     

     

    In the older, more traditional model of football club, when a new manager came in all the players who wanted to stay had to up their game & try do what the new guy wanted – even if it was beyond them.

     

    EG a Shane Duffy expected to play on the deck out from the back.

     

     

    Naturally, the new manager would soon establish that he needed a replacement for any player who wasn’t up to what he expected of them. In some instances it meant wholesale clearouts of players if the new style was radically different from the old style.

     

     

    For most top clubs today they’ve established a system where they largely recruit the same type of player regardless of who is manager – because they have a clear, sustainable football philosophy or vision. They know largely how they’ll be playing & that previous managers would have brought in players that fitted in with that.

     

     

    In Celtic’s case, that isn’t happening & the article today makes it clear that the board don’t believe they have that continuity either – or else they wouldn’t be apprehensive that any new manager wouldn’t adjust to Neil’s choice of players.

     

     

    Thanks for the feedback anyway.

     

     

    HH

  4. TONTINE TIM on 2ND DECEMBER 2020 5:25 PM

     

     

    Brendan Rogers…

     

     

    We’ve got about a million wingers and don’t need another one but he’s a talent and in the summer we’ll probably lose wingers and he’ll look to come in. It’s an opportunity for the club to sign a young, talented player but not one that will probably help us now.

     

     

     

    *As I previously said he must having been talking about Leicester as Shevd was signed in January when it was anticipated the fraud would be with the Foxes which he was the following month.

     

     

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    Brendan was the Celtic manager when he said the above and clearly wasn’t talking about Leicester. I disagree with your interpretation of what he ‘must’ve been talking about ‘.

     

     

    HH

  5. NOTTHEBUS

     

     

    One I forgot about was Delia. On joining he commented in negative tones about loan deals being a waste of resources and only really benefiting the other club involved, he wasn’t looking to do many if any.

     

    The club went out and signed 8-9 players on loan that first season, completely undermining the manager.

     

     

    This was another occurrence which has led me to the belief that non football people at the club are making football decisions. It’s a recipe for disaster.

     

     

    HH

  6. interesting that when the PSG subs were sent out to do their stretches etc prior to coming on that the fitness coach accompanied them to ensure they were ready to come other than allowing the subs to run up to a corner flag than start to chat to each other while waiting on a wave from the manager .

  7. DBHOY

     

     

    You have formed your opinion on lots of circumstantial evidence, and I respect your right to do so.

     

     

    I started the day looking for hard evidence , many posters have chipped in. I go to bed without seeing a slither of hard facts that support interference.

  8. been on other celtic sites and one thing that seems to come across is dermot desmond and peter lawell wanting a fight with the supporters i seen it and they looked thatcherite i think they are spoiling for a fight daft baskets it will only end in one way byebye peter neil and dermot

  9. Saint Stivs on 2nd December 2020 7:43 pm

     

     

    on a less humouress note – if anything i type is.

     

     

    i really realy hate when anyone describes any other person as a cancer.

     

     

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    Saw a few occurrences of that that, always makes me uncomfortable.

  10. BURNLEY78 on 2ND DECEMBER 2020 7:34 PM

     

    I also believe with the right galvanised attitude and a few tweaks it can be turned around. Momentum / confidence / alignment and a little bit of over due disruption across the city and we can get back in this.

     

     

     

    One thing is crystal clear over there. Neither Gerrard or McAlister are the lead guys. Beale makes the difference. The unrest when he was out of sorts last spring was palpable.

     

     

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    You say Beale is the main man and that is crystal clear. Sorry but you don’t have the information or evidence to state that as objective fact. Its nothing more than a stab in the dark and hoping and praying they blow up. If these are the thoughts inside the walls of Celtic park i genuinely shudder.

  11. DANSO_1888 on 2ND DECEMBER 2020 10:24 PM

     

    been on other celtic sites and one thing that seems to come across is dermot desmond and peter lawell wanting a fight with the supporters i seen it and they looked thatcherite i think they are spoiling for a fight daft baskets it will only end in one way byebye peter neil and dermot

     

     

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    Over the years the board have shied away from taking on the authorities, the SFA, SPFL, UEFA, Rangers old and new and the media. But as you say, now appear to be taking on their own customer base who are unanimous in their desire to replace the management team. Stunning arrogance.

  12. I think we’ve faced a perfect storm this season when it comes to reasons for not winning the league-

     

     

    35yo captain playing after a lockdown

     

    No goalkeeper that’s good enough

     

    A manager who needs and doesn’t have a tactician beside him

     

    Our signing policy coming back to bite us

     

    Our best player not playing well

     

    Our top guy for assists injured-JF

     

    Our best set-piece threat injured-CJ

     

    A top player not fit, LG

     

    Boligate (when we were looking ok)

     

    10 in arow pressure

     

    No (interaction with) fans.

     

    A board who can

     

     

    In my opinion none of these opinions are wrong and happen at all clubs but they have all hit for us at the same time.

     

    Half of these problems have been our own fault.

     

     

    Can we get to January with the same points deficit? I honestly don’t think we will.

     

    Heartbreaking.

  13. DANSO_1888 on 2ND DECEMBER 2020 10:24 PM

     

     

    Most if not all of us go on other Celtic sites. I detect a mood of digging in and supporting the club during adversity.

     

    A theme seems to be , it is very easy to support the club through good trophy winning times.

     

     

    HH.

  14. Never liked Hale and Pace, lowest common denominator stuff. For right or wrong anytime someone mentions Slippy being a manager I think of this tune.

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRq_zLw_8TQ

     

     

    He is not a genius, he is not some blue hun knight in shining armour (‘amur’ as Slippy might pronounce it) he is his backroom staff, something we lack. He is however an evil man that bought into the bigotry and bollocks across our city. Sharp enough for a dim man to know he could make a name for himself (his backroom) by playing to the mob.

     

     

    Dey do do dont dey though?

     

     

    We let it slip, that is a fact. I do not think we were deliberate in this, I just think we fell asleep at the wheel thinking NFL would be all it took. That was a mistake. Someone mentioned “muscle memory is starting to fade” from the Brendan days and I think that is a fair assessment. NFL took us as far as he could and this will be both the pinnacle and end of his top tier managing days. Pains to see a legend suffer, refuse to go and drive us away from a once in a lifetime opportunity. How can he quit? He is a proud man that has suffered more than any of us are likely to suffer in our professional lives. The romance of the 10 with Lennon as the wheel was out downfall. It was not deliberate but sadly led by hearts. Like all of us on here, we would have wanted Lenny to grab the 10, even if we were not fans of him as a manager.

     

     

    Clown of a man is slippy who is not fit to lick Neil Francis Lennon’s boots.

  15. CORNELIUS 5.36 – Ta

     

    Glad you picked up on that ‘luck’ analysis piece, as it’s a bit different to viewing our pickle in easy, binary ways.

     

    To some of your points:

     

    Despite the popular appetite for pitchforking, I’d hope or guess (the currency of most blogs along with a big dollop of fear) that decision-making Board members are above their own PR vanities in evaluating what’s best for a potentially historic season.

     

    When you say “…if managerial changes are made between seasons” I wish we’d had Lenny secure us the 9 and 3×3, before properly (non-showerly) assessing what other options were out there to define our success over the next 2-5yrs.

     

    Unfashionable/simplistic as it is, luck is critical in defining results/success: If Ajeti’s post hit went in, if Eddy’d kept his blazing shot lower, if Moi connected w that cross etc…then belief changes and performances too.

     

    As you say, we have issues of ‘confidence/morale/belief’ – and they can occur esp when you’re doing your level best but you’re not getting the rub of the green.

     

     

    A final point about binary viewpoints – a lot of people moan that we’re playing multiple formations which is upsetting players. What if Lenny never changed it up, would he be slated for being a one-trick pony?

     

    With any dilemma, there’s likely more shades of grey than plain black and whites.

     

     

    Fingers crossed for tomorrow all. HH

  16. Some easy reading that draws a few similarities to our own dilemma. Not comparing them before I get slated.

     

     

     

    HH!

     

     

    President Donald Trump has made one thing painfully clear: After he grudgingly leaves the White House, he will keep doing what he can to stay in the news. He will tweet insults and conspiracy theories. He may start his own television channel. And according to members of his inner circle, he may even run for president in 2024.

     

     

    After half a decade under his spell, many pundits and political observers assume that Trump will succeed in keeping the nation’s attention. I can see why. A sizable minority of Americans believe that the election was stolen and remain deeply devoted to the outgoing president. Even now that Trump’s loss has liberated the GOP from its captor, elected Republicans seem to be suffering from a bad case of Stockholm syndrome. And the 45th president has proved, again and again, that he has a real talent for staying in the limelight.

     

     

    Trump could prove to have as dominant an influence on politics in the 2020s as he did in the 2010s. The obstacles he must overcome to do so, however, are very daunting.

     

     

    Theories abound for how Trump rose to power in 2016. According to some, he spoke for the economically dispossessed. According to others, bigoted voters were attracted to his racist dog whistles. But while both explanations shed some light on his appeal, I believe the truth is much simpler: Millions of Americans who don’t think very much about politics thought of Trump as a winner who knows how to get things done.

     

     

    Since his first bouts with local fame in New York City, Trump has carefully curated his public image to emphasize how much power he has and how successful he is.

     

     

    Manhattan insiders know that the city’s real elite has always looked down on Trump. But readers of The Art of the Deal think of him as the embodiment of a powerful negotiator who knows how to flex his financial muscles.

     

     

    Business journalists know that many of Trump’s ventures quickly went bankrupt, and that he would now be much richer if he had simply invested his inheritance in the S&P 500. But to most Americans, the host of The Apprentice is an entrepreneur who built a grand empire thanks to his incredible business sense.

     

     

    Now, however, Trump’s veneer of invincibility is fading. He lost his bid for reelection, and staged the most incompetent coup attempt since Woody Allen’s Bananas. He can rant and rave about what happened in November, but he can’t keep his followers from seeing Joe Biden inaugurated in January. Fear of what he might attempt next is giving way to laughter. He looks weaker and more scared by the day.

     

     

    When Oprah Winfrey left her show to start her own network, she was the biggest star on television. Many analysts predicted that her new venture would be a huge success. At the time, some press reports even suggested that bosses at the main broadcast networks were seriously worried about the competition.

     

     

    Contrary to these expectations, the Oprah Winfrey Network struggled to find an audience. In the first years of its existence, it bled tens of millions of dollars. Today, OWN has established a stable niche for itself, and even makes a little profit. But with an average viewership of fewer than 500,000 people in 2018, it plays in a completely different league from the four major networks and the most commercially successful cable channels.

     

     

    This should serve as a warning to anybody who is now fielding pitches to invest in the Trump News Network. If Trump follows the lead of other authoritarian populists like Hugo Chávez and hosts a regular television program, he can undoubtedly induce his most devoted fans to tune in. But to be commercially viable, his channel would have to expand that core audience, recruit other hosts who are capable of sustaining the public’s attention, hire journalists who can actually cover what is going on in the world, and attract advertising from run-of-the-mill corporations.

     

     

    Competing with Fox News would be a tall order for anyone starting a conservative news network. Given Trump’s record of incompetence in both business and public office, he seems especially unlikely to be able to pull it off.

     

     

    No one can say for sure what Trump’s life will look like in four years. By 2024, he could be bankrupt, sitting in prison, or in very poor health. But even if he is in a position to run for the Republican nomination, he won’t necessarily win.

     

     

    For much of the past half century, the Republican Party has had a relatively stable ideological makeup. The so-called three-legged stool united social conservatives, free-marketeers, and foreign-policy hawks in an uneasy yet durable alliance. Precisely because the party’s ideological composition was so heterogeneous, its most influential leaders did not bear much resemblance to one another.

     

     

    Richard Nixon ran for office as a moderate pragmatist. Ronald Reagan emphasized his credentials as a fiscal hard-liner and a staunch enemy of communism. George W. Bush branded himself a “compassionate conservative” with isolationist instincts.

     

     

    The party’s most recent nominees were also quite different from one another. John McCain had fought a bitter primary against Bush in 2000, was widely seen as a maverick within the party, and was most interested in foreign policy. Mitt Romney came from the party’s patrician business wing and had a successful track record as a red governor in a blue state. As for Trump, he of course promised a radical break in both style and substance from all three when he first ran in 2016.

     

     

    As long as Trump remains in the White House, he is the indisputable leader of the party. Even Republicans who would much rather see a leader in the traditions of Bush, Romney, or McCain at the party’s helm stand by Trump (at least publicly). But this does not mean that they will cheer on his bid for a second term when the party holds an open primary. After all, some of the prominent Republicans now backing Trump want to be president themselves someday. They have every incentive to get in Trump’s way.

     

     

    In 2005, more than 90 percent of Republicans approved of George W. Bush. Three years later, most Republican candidates preferred not to campaign alongside the sitting president. When Trump ran in 2016, he repeatedly denigrated Bush. Before long, he may meet the same fate.

     

     

    Trump certainly could stage a spectacular comeback. Maybe Americans will keep staring at his Twitter feed in horror or fascination for the next four years. Maybe primary voters will resoundingly anoint Trump as the Republican candidate in 2024. Maybe Trump will even make a triumphant return to the White House.

     

     

    But what is possible need not be likely. And the odds that Americans will grow bored with the ever more histrionic antics of the sore loser they just kicked out of office are pretty good.

  17. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Glad my team are playing tomorrow and I’ll get the chance to watch them.

     

     

    Too much noise, angst and disharmony on here tonight.

     

     

    Night all.

     

     

    Hail hail

     

     

    Keep The Faith

  18. Can’t see any manager worth his salt taking the celtic job . It will be out there the interference from non football personnel within the club . Also whoever designed Es come in will need a very good budget , as this team needs a clear out . The total defence leaves a lot to be desired . The midfield

     

    Is as soft as putty has been for ages , and even our much praised forward line has been left wanting . So a huge task awaits , a wee look into what our scouting dept does is also worth a visit . A bit harsh , when you get rid of the want aways , the non triers , and the right bad buys , What have we left . Sad sad state of affairs .

  19. Jim geeza hymn :-) please.

     

     

    am sure youd take a victory tonight😊.and youd be right to celebrate. 😊but imagine hoping for a win and still been scunnered.its .

     

     

    achbutififachbutififCsc

     

     

    keep the hope

     

     

    hh

  20. If Duffy and Jullienne Both injured I would like to see young Welsh given a chance, no point playing him against Hamilton or Motherwell and learn nothing give him a chance at this level we have nothing to lose. A possible solution to our defensive frailties might be to bring in Gary Holt as A coach , he certainly knew how to make Livingston Hard to beat. My frustration at the moment is not learning from our mistakes. Neil will have my support as long as he is Manager but feel he is not getting the support he deserves. Finally bring back big Jimmy. HH

  21. Good morning from a frozen Garngad a light dusting of snow that has turned to ice by the looks of it, after going out my back garden for a weather update 😂☃️❄☃️❄☃️ Stay safe. Love ya to bits.

     

     

    I see the chump was on last night and had a go again at another poster on here. Got to love him to bits. Not.

     

     

    Moderator I understand why my post was deleted as I mentioned another site etc. Love ya to bits. It would be nice to get an email or a post saying why though.

     

     

    Big Jimmy was red carded and no one told him so.

     

     

    Communication is everything Moderator and Paul 67, we are all busy so there is no excuse.

     

     

    Anyway Love ya to bits.

     

     

    The chump has driven so many posters away, Big Jimmy and Melbourne Mick to name but 2.

     

     

    I see he had a spat with Bad Bing on here and another site then never seen any more posts from Bada is he red carded as well now.

     

     

    Chumpseruscsc

     

     

    Love ya to bits

     

     

    Free Jimmy and unleash Melbourne Mick

     

     

    D :)

  22. fourstonecoppi on

    GREENPINATA on 2ND DECEMBER 2020 11:02 PM

     

    DANSO_1888 on 2ND DECEMBER 2020 10:24 PM

     

    Most if not all of us go on other Celtic sites. I detect a mood of digging in and supporting the club during adversity.

     

    A theme seems to be , it is very easy to support the club through good trophy winning times.

     

     

    While i totally agree….another worrying trend is realising, ‘Company interests-Emotional blackmail’ and shareholder profit at all cost.

  23. Good morning, friends, from a snow covered East Kilbride.

     

    I sincerely hope I’m not the only one who, on waking, thinks “yes, football today!”. I know that these are pretty rough times for our Team and that tonight’s game is essentially meaningless. But CELTIC are playing and every time that happens I want us to win and to play well. Realistically there’s only a possibility of one of those two things happening tonight but still, I’ll be watching and hoping to see some sort of positive signs in advance of our much more important 5 December league games.

     

    What an incentive to get me through another working day ;-)

  24. DAVID66 on 3RD DECEMBER 2020 6:12 AM

     

    I have emailed P67 with regard to Big Jimmy, I’ve not been around for a bit and was unaware of his red card. I don’t know why Bada Bing no longer posts.

     

    I have in the past posted when posts were deleted, P67 would rather we don’t engage as it can lead to spats. We are asked to refer you to celticquicknews@gmail.com

     

    As well as emailing P67 about Big Jimmy, I have mentioned the spat last night.

     

    If P67 doesn’t mind us posting that your post was deleted and to refer to him I will.

     

    On a personal level, it pains me to read personal insults especially all that has gone on in 2020 outside of football, puts life in perspective. On the football, I like you all am hurting, after all I am a Celtic Supporter as well.

     

    Have a good day.

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