Safe standing comes to Scottish football. Standing was a part of our game for over a century (and still is in the semi-professional divisions), but the Taylor Report changed the game fundamentally, as grounds were made all-seater in the 1990s. This phenomenon was not restricted to the UK, Uefa (to some extent) enforced the trend on the rest of the Continent.
Then things changed in Germany. New stadiums had railed seating, which allowed spectators to stand during games. This allowed more people to fit into the same space. The grounds still had to be converted to conventional seating for Uefa games, but the phenomenon of safe standing proved, well, safe.
In fact, it is a lot safer than the de facto situation in many UK grounds, where away fans stand in areas which are clearly unsafe for standing crowds.
I understand why Celtic have situated the safe standing area where they have lower-tier corner of North and Lisbon Lions stands, but for me it should be North Stand upper. If you’re going to have a standing section, don’t just site it where one has emerged organically, put it where it best suits the stadium, can have most impact on atmosphere and has room to grow. Make no mistake, demand will outstrip supply for the standing area, and soon enough we’ll be wondering how we grow it.
The stadium can be further-portioned off. At the moment the family area is squashed between the new standing area and away fans – this section also has nowhere to grow. If you want more families, ensure each passing decade the stadium has more targeted family areas.
There should also be greater price differentiation for tickets. The pack-em-in reality of standing areas fits the profile of a cheaper ticket, which fits the reality of the North Stand upper’s isolation from amenities like lounges. Fill the North upper full of cheap, standing tickets, extend facilities like lounges – and charge accordingly, or family facilities, to lower tiers.
You want to stand in a busy area, move about and keep warm – pay less. You want to keep warm in a lounge – pay more. You want to take penalties against Ms Hoopy, go to the family area. Just bring a child, please.
30 years from now, few will want to watch football in a stadium like Celtic Park. This happened to football in the 70s and 80s. It became stuck in the infrastructure of what was then regarded by many as a decrepit bygone era. Many football fans just stopped going. I can see history repeating itself.
Cater for the future or your local shopping mall/multiplex will. In future, everyone will want access to a warm lounge before and after the game, and at halftime. Try planning a leisure activity in northern Europe for the 21st century and come up with any other conclusion.
Ticket machines should be at the perimeter of the stadium footprint. Once inside, you should have fan zones with bars, restaurants, cafes, play areas, shops – mostly undercover. You should never be more than 5 minutes away from being able to spend money. Or spend a penny – with paper towels available all afternoon.
I’m usually in the environs of Celtic Park close to 3 hours on a match day. The opportunities for engagement are enormous, but we’re miles away for thousands of us in the ‘reasonably priced’ seats.
None of this is meant as a criticism. We have a magnificent 20th century stadium, I was one of thousands who paid to build it. All of the above wish-list would cost millions we just don’t have – this is the reality. But we need to have a vision of what our future requirement looks like.
I still miss the old Celtic Park, the new stadium cannot touch if for atmosphere, but what we expect when we go to the football is different now, and will be different again in the future. The first thing I’d do if we broke free of Scottish football is call in the bulldozers and start again.
Season ticket prices remain same as last season, confounding conspiracy theorists four-year fantasy. This caused brief spates of cognitive dissonance before a fresh wave of conspiracies washed the pain away.
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Kevjungle great news on your treatment. Made me smile.
All I am asking the board to do on res12 is give a reason why they won’t take it forward. That’s not hard. If one exists then what’s the mystery?
An teach. It’s not just cqn. Look at other Celtic boards. Talk to guys down the pub. Your mates. Your relatives. The anger is real and we have been far too patient with this board (too our extreme cost). The humiliation against the Hun was the final straw for many. Already the revolt is having an impact. Winnings claims the board listened by freezing prices. Nah. The board are panicking. This has all moved against them and things like res12 threaten to expose their utter complicity.
As for the board going. What’s to fear more. The disaster that is now or the threat of problems tomorrow. We are a shambles on and off the pitch. We are utterly divided. The board have treated us with contempt for far too long. Radical change is needed and unless we force it it won’t happen. Lawwell and co will be perfectly happy watching us humiliated as long as they get their money.
West end of east end its true we have always been weak in the boardroom,. When Reid was there, for a brief time I thought we were changing things. Fergus for a while had it right. Other boards it’s been about greed. This one is the magical combination of greed and wanton corruption and a desire to cement our place at the back of the bus cos it’s good for business. We ousted one board by boycott. I am urging us to do it again.
Natnow paymaster = beholden to someone. So it’s apt.
Kev J
Brill news mate.
Keep on Kev jying!
Emeraldbee
Sorry to hear about your cousin
God bless
the baould peter
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36205523
KevJ
Great news son.
UTLR
Well done to the two Spanish Madrid teams, hope Villarreal and Seville do it tomorrow. English football the best in the world my arse. Well done to Leicester City great achievement but still a long way to equal Nottingham Forest. Still some could argue it is a different era and money counts nowadays. I never heard anyone compare our achievement winning the European Cup with a group of players born within a 50 mile radius of Glasgow. Now that was a great football feint. The greatest team ever without a argument the magnificent Lisbon Lions and the greatest ever British manager Big Jock
4 attempts,0 on target,give it a go
Ffs
I’ve had to change my name
I would like to point out that is definitely not my seat on the board
Kev J -brilliant news HH
SAINT STIVS SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 4TH MAY 2016 9:55 PM
Cowiebhoy.
The weight would remain the same .
Some minor lateral weight distribution change.
Don`t get that logic.
More perhaps the possibility of falling .
Neganon-I will be renewing my ST for 30 IAR , but I constantly agree with your gripes about CFC,hope that makes sense….. HH
NEGANON2 on 4TH MAY 2016 9:58 PM
Natnow paymaster = beholden to someone. So it’s apt.
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Only beholden if they’re paid. So incorrect.
Kev J
Great news – we can keep the banter going .. Don’t expect any special treatment – you are still getting slagged off about big McGhee..
Well done !
Kev J’s great news????
FFS ! Don’t tell me McGhee and Keevins are the new management team ?:O)
Just reading about Emeraldbees cousin. So so sad RIP ynwa
Kevj
Great news. Hospital probably equally delighted they wont be seeing you for another 5 years ya oul rheb.
HH
Kev J – glad to hear your good news mate.
Now free for your next appointment – a checkup fae the neck up..?
;-)))
Macjay.
It’s structural failure due to vibration.
Lookup natural vibrations resonance.
It happens. Quite often.
TINYTIM on 4TH MAY 2016 7:41 PM
I will be renewing my season tickets.
United we stand ,divided we fall.
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We are talking about supporting a football team here not being a member of a trades union.
One is important, the other is supporting a football team.
KevJ. Great to heAr your news, even if you are a wee bit mental? Anyway , fair cheered me up after watching another sterile CL game.
The whole football gig is fecked, the MasterCard, Adidas, Nissan, whoever pays the piper, calls the tune, the ordinary punter is just a pay point.
Shame really as it was ,and still can be , a beautiful sport……..dreaming on as ever.
See Magic Hat ,is asking sevco fans to break records,for season tickets,this summer,I Timbhoy 3 urge all Celtic Supporters,if they can afford to buy a season ticket,then purchase one,Support the team on the pitch,winning games ,is what matters,anything else should be left outside the doors of Celtic Park.Hail,Hail,
Hibs’ bottle crashes – quelle surprise !!!
The problems I see with our board, any football boards for that matter is that I DO believe they are supporters the same as us but have to act without the emotion. They have access to information that we don’t, they also have to act in a responsible corporate world whereas we as supporters would act differently.
I think it was BRTH the other day that gave the lowdown on who make up our board, highly skilled guys in their field, but we’re not seeing or getting the benefit of this expertise, or so it seems to the majority. Auldheid gave out a hint last night that things were progressing on Res12, I’ll take that for now as I trust him to be true to his word even though I wouldn’t know him if he slapped me on the face with a wet fish.
I don’t know how all this will play out but I probably will renew, because if I don’t I’ll find something else to do with my time and would probably never go back, and that saddens me more than anything the board could do to me…
Kev J
great news ….
another 5 years (at least) of rumbles from the jungle..
H.H.
I’m sure it was a wee oversight by the Scottish press but to keep you up to speed,that prick McLeish got sacked after 63 days and 10 games by some Egyptian mob
Natural Frequency Resonance- Recipe for Failure.
written by: johnzactruba • edited by: Lamar Stonecypher • updated: 6/13/2011
All objects in the universe resonate at their natural frequency when excited. This can cause catastrophic failures in structures, machines, and components. How is this relevant in a power plant scenario? Read about these failures …
“The principle cannot fail. It is as powerful when applied to the earth as it is when applied to a [violin note shattering a] wineglass, a [boy pushing a man on a] swing, or a steel link. Anyone who doubts should only bear in mind the illustration of the swing. A small boy, by each time adding a pound to the force with which a 200-pound man swings, can soon set the man swinging with the force of 500 pounds. It is necessary only to keep adding a little force at the right time.” Nikola Tesla – the master of resonance.
Therefore 2500 bhoys continually jumping up and down . side to side in a steady repetitive gregorian chanting trance repeated 25 times a season. With weathering in the cracks in between.
It might take 20 years but it’s not so good the way the top tiers are built.
Brilliant news Kev
Hail Hail
EchoesfromtheJungleCsc
Bada Bing I do understand but I fear you are harming Celtic in doing so. No change will occur if we do not act.
Natnow your shout. I don’t care about the pedantry.
Timbhoy3 that’s what they are relying on. That we will unthinking.y fall into to a nuclear arms race again based on racism. But now we know that the Scottish establishment will simply cheat and that those who run Celtic are okay with that. You are engaged in a phony war, designed to both humiliate you and take your money. It’s worse than wrestling because its premise is based on racism.
West end of east end. It is very sad. Very difficult decisions. But the board, taking any emotion out of it, have performed disasterously and it’s clear their so called strategy isn’t changing.
SAINT STIVS SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 4TH MAY 2016 10:15 PM
No expert .
However I do have an opinion. :-)
I would be astonished if natural ( and unnatural ) vibrations resonance was not taken into consideration when the stadium was being constructed . And over compensated for.
Interesting point ,however.
Will our Board announce new manager BEFORE. Or AFTER. Season ticket renewal?
Lay your bets…
SAINT STIVS SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 4TH MAY 2016 10:15 PM
I posted before reading your 10.24
Kev the JUNGLE…….:)
Still stickin to de Man…….
H.H.
St Stivs – I posted as I was just taking the dugs oot for their last wazz :-)
Agree on stadium design, vibration etc, top tier never designed to consider such
My point – I do not believe we were ever given the stadium as promised by Fergus in his sales pitch
Now, I still believe we have a very very good stadium, but
There is much which could be done and highlighted by many, which could improve our environs
( start by not giving that new team anymore tickets than normal visiting fans get:-))
Personally, I think the current executive seats should be up-graded, look at what you get at the cinemas now a days ( seat standard) – I also think all other seating should be upgraded to slightly bigger and better standard for comfort – large part of population is getting bigger, current seating is tight for space ?
I think a simple thing like when you enter the turnstiles, AstroTurf as opposed to concrete on the floor, make it feel you are entering something special ?
I am personally T-Total, but would pay more to enter a lounge / cafe type set up for a light bite and cup of tea, I will not pay an extra £1000 to enter a lounge for a bar which I would not use
Could go on, much could be done
Without boring the rest of the avid readers,
Hhhmmm
The whole stadium structure will absolutely be based on full capacity. Maximum games. In a sitting environment for a hundred years or more. Worse case scenario.
Add in some volatility.
A jumping around mass. Creating a vibrating humm. And a bounce back.
The interesting comparison might be how are the top tier structures in Dortmund built.
Anyways.
Cmon the SNP.
Lol.
Fuse lit. Stands well back
Paul 67 et-al
There’s an easy option for Celtic to grasp that’ll galvanize, unite and focus our support.
Action.
Cowiebhoy…..You could go on…….
Aye start wae the toilets……..A feckin disgrace ………
The pish resonates to yer throat…..
H.H.
Cowiebhoy
Good points well made.
We should also be allowed to chuck food and popcorn at people in the dearer seats.
Bada Bing!! on 4th May 2016 10:23 pm
I’m sure it was a wee oversight by the Scottish press but to keep you up to speed,that prick McLeish got sacked after 63 days and 10 games by some Egyptian mob
*every team he has managed have got off tae a good start but he generally leaves them in disarray.
PS.
I wouldn’t say Celtic park new structures are high cost maintenance.
Basic build . maybe £2 million a year.
HVAC electrics plumbing high.
Physical structure not so much at twenty years.
Ibrox at forty years. For sure that’s falling down.
Context.
NEGANON2 on 4TH MAY 2016 10:26 PM
Natnow your shout. I don’t care about the pedantry.
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What’s my shout?
A few days ago you stated that Celtic are Paul67’s paymaster and that he uses CQN to distribute their propaganda.
Tonight you printed a correction and admitted you were implying something different – that’s fine.