3-4 wins at Tynecastle are the stuff of legends, games when champions show their credentials. The excitement, however, took second place to our inaugural appearance in domestic football with a Video Assistant Referee.
After taking an early lead, Celtic lost their way in the first half as Hearts pushed for an equaliser. A minute before the break Cammy Devlin knocked the ball forward an instant before Cameron Carter-Vickers made contact with the Hearts player’s foot. Referee Nick Walsh missed the contact, which was clear on first viewing of the replay, but the VAR seemed caught in the headlights and took several minutes to advise the ref to take a look at the video monitor.
It was all downhill from there. Within seconds, James Forrest drove inside the Hearts box but was stopped in his path when Michael Smith’s extended arm stopped the ball inside the box. This was the classic scenario VAR was supposed to address, a stonewaller by any measure, but fresh from his panic a few moments earlier, the VAR declined to intervene.
Anthony Ralston then scored an excellent headed goal but before the ball crossed the line, Nick Walsh blew for an apparent infringement. That early whistle meant VAR was unable to act. It is beyond doubt the referee made a mistake in blowing early, for my take, the goal should have stood.
Now we get to the bizarre episode. At both Hearts penalties, Hearts and Celtic players encroached into the box before the kick was taken. At the first, the goal stood, at the second, Joe Hart saved and Hearts scored an offside goal in the follow up.
The second penalty was retaken in line with the rules (a retake is the correct decision if players from both sides encroach). The fist penalty, which results in a Hearts goal, was allowed to stand by the same VAR. Either both should have been retaken, or as neither affected the outcome, both should have been allowed to stand.
Late in the game, Liel Abada scored what looked to be a good goal, but the assistant referee flagged for offside, confirmed by VAR. I am not convinced, and broadcaster Sky did viewers a disservice by declining to apply the cross-field lines they used for other decisions during the game.
It was an incompetent start with the new technology that did not reflect well on the SFA or referees.
I don’t want to put ideas in your head, so fee free to choose any one of the 5 million Slovaks, but which of them does Reo Hatate most remind you of?
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31003
I agree we would have complained about cheating when it has happened in the past
I also think we should complain about the bizarre fouling/possession stat anomaly at present.
But, I think that we should get clear cut evidence of VAR cheating before we complain about VAR. This first week has not provided decisive evidence.
CELTICROLLERCOASTER SUPPORTING THE WALK WITH SHAY LEGACY FUND on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 7:47 PM
Can we dust down the ole dossier we had on the refs 😆?
HH
CRC
Those were the days…..aaaahhhh
LIONROARS67
A goal was scored Tom, it was referred to VAR
What am I missing
It didn’t go to VAR. See my previous post at 7:11.
STFB
I only can go by what Walsh saw, also I am going by the slo mo that I saw as well, the way you are saying it is that CCV was miles away from the ball, there was a split second in the challenge, and he did NOT see a pen, had he seen anything that was a smigin of a pen he would have given it as well you know.
TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 7:52 PM
It didn’t go to VAR. See my previous post at 7:11.
Fair enough Tom, how do you know VAR didn’t review, three men and a dog involved ok sorry three men and a ref
Did it go to VAR did it not go to VAR
FFS CSC
CELTICROLLERCOASTER SUPPORTING THE WALK WITH SHAY LEGACY FUND on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 7:47 PM
Can we dust down the ole dossier we had on the refs 😆?
How did that work out ? cost labour a seat
Sleep well Timland, up at eff o’clock, much to do and little time to do it.
HH
West Ham v Bournemouth
5 goals or more…..it’s a shoe in
Someone letting off fireworks up here…..has GVB been sacked and replaced by Martindale?
GrandOLTeam
@JBLuvsCeltic
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Oct 23
CelticTV is incredulous when Celtic are denied a stonewall handball penalty.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1584058676943679489
Walsh has a clear unimpeded view of both players but the ball is on the other side of Devlin- he cannot see where CCV and Devlin connect and where the ball is. By not blowing for a pen (where VAR would review automatically). He must have thought it was not a pen at first. Only the slow mo replay and Bro. McLean convinced him he was wrong. A truly biased ref would have given it and worried about VAR later.
Anyway we won, and we will soon have plenty of evidence for VAR’s incompetence and/or cheating.
The major bad VAR decision at the weekend was not giving Well a penalty for a blatant pull on Lamie’s jersey. Sometimes the ref does not spot these- so it may not have been cheating- but, if VAR replayed it I doubt that they would not have failed to award a penalty and a possible equaliser
CELTICROLLERCOASTER SUPPORTING THE WALK WITH SHAY LEGACY FUND on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 7:47 PM
Can we dust down the ole dossier we had on the refs 😆?
HH
CRC
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Should you no be sleeping or prepping for the presentation… a big two days ahead old yin…..
See you soon….. are we still counting the planes 🍻✈️🤣
BADA BING!! on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 7:23 PM
There’s enough on here defending the cheating on Saturday…..
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Post of the day IMO
Looking at the stonewalled again…..did Walsh actually award the penalty?…..or did he just stop play to allow McLean to decide if it was a penalty? If that’s the case that is so wrong.
SAINT STIVS
Looking at that clip, the 4th official looks embarrassed at the decision.
BSR
BADA BING!! on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 7:23 PM
There’s enough on here defending the cheating on Saturday…..
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Post of the day IMO
There’s always two.
The foul count between us the hun and our opposition , over 10 games ( I’ve missed one can’t be ersed going back and checking ) is nearly even for both teams . Us 116
opponents 110 , Huns 114 ,opponents 130 .Yellow count we are the lowest with 13 ,our opponents 28 , Huns 24 their opponents 28 . Reds us 1 Huns 2 both lots of opponents 2 each
‘re the possession / foul count thing , that’s a different ball game 😁
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The above could be right / wrong I’ve had an oldtim 67 sized gin 😜
Marspapa
On train. Still 2 hours to get to destination
HH
CRC
I watched the game in my classroom at 6:30 am by meself on Saturday as I knew that VAR would piss me off at some point and it wasn’t fair to my wife and 3 ghirls and 1 bhoy to be awoken by an angry Scotsman at 7:15 am. I ended up laughing out loud just like Big Ange, at HT. I mean what did we expect after some of the decisions that we have grown up with. I mean look at Johnny Doyle being sent off for crossing the ball against a ref, remember James Forrest gewtting sent off against Accies at their midden, the Jorge Cadette goal at Ibrokes, etc etc etc. Strap in folks we are in for a bumpy ride, and don’t call me Shirley.
Hail hail.
Sean
SFTB
Spot on.
But you can’t really blame McLean for the first penalty.
The VAR referee can give only 1 of 3 options to the referee:
It’s a penalty.
It’s not a penalty.
Go and check the monitor.
But, I think that we should get clear cut evidence of VAR cheating before we complain about VAR. This first week has not provided decisive evidence.
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i dont care whose decision it was not to give the hand ball
was it var? was it the ref?
it was plain cheating
all the other controversial decisions in the game could probably be argued one way or the other
not that one
TOM MCLAUGHLIN
You were cute enough to refuse a ticket for Tynecastle, but you couldn’t escape Celtic VAR inevitably
How’s Marie – my ghirl ?
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 7:42 PM
Me too, hated the idea of it from when it was first suggested. But while we all know what a shitshow they’d make of it I did think it would bring a bit more transparency to Scottish football, and I’ve still not abandoned all hope.
I think Scottish football has changed over the last 12 years. I think they made a lot of enemies with the way they behaved since they went bust, I don’t think they have the same control over the administration of the game they had before, you only have to look at how hard they’ve been trying to get rid of Doncaster. So I think working with the administrators is far more likely to succeed than previously. Unfortunately we still have the same sort of people involved in the playing, refereeing and media as before. I agree, forget them.
TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 8:14 PM
SFTB
Spot on.
But you can’t really blame McLean for the first penalty.
The VAR referee can give only 1 of 3 options to the referee:
It’s a penalty.
It’s not a penalty.
Go and check the monitor.
That is wrong
There is only 1 choice…as follows
I believe it’s a penalty…..check the monitor
I believe it’s not a penalty…..check the monitor
I agree with your choice…..no need to check the monitor
This is so Batshit gonna watch it on repeat for next 5 minutes
https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1584565296039591938?s=20&t=Q7nXTUNSysDnNNiQDUAuTw
Who elected Rishi, can we call in VAR
CRC…..long old day pal .
A wee beer or voddie as a nightcap… Because your worth it 👍🤗
Tom McLaughlin on 24th October 2022 7:29 pm
BADA
I did clearly explain at the end od my post that I was merely explaining the rules.
If you see that as “defending the cheating on Saturday” then that’s your problem, not mine.
You’re the one with the problem, you said Giakoumakis manhandled 2 Hearts players, then said 1 took a dive…
I think West Hams Rice is off the boil
Commentator says Scammaca
Carragher says Sceemacca
Scammaca, Sceemacca
I’m turning this bloody thing off
Who needs trolls 🤣🤣❤️
Where’s JHB this weather?
MARSPAPA on 24TH OCTOBER 2022 8:36 PM
Who needs trolls 🤣🤣❤️
You will have the datestamp polis checking that comment for acceptability (wee smiley face)
BRRB
What team do you expect on Friday?
thanks for the lesson [lecture] Tom, God var is a Godsend for some
TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 18TH OCTOBER 2022 7:47 PM
Fur fox ache can the paranoia brigade just give VAR a chance before they throw in the towel?
Ernie
The worst thing about VAR is the outcome of decisions were forecasted correctly by the majority of Celtic fans before the game had even started.
So either….most Celtic fans are Nostradamus, or cheating has always been the norm
The choice is yours
You should see the West Ham goal, var ref must be pished