Industrial performances, Ignorance of causality


Going by the looks of the photographs coming out of Romania today Ronny Deila and his players will be going a culture shock; the Stadionul Marin Anastasovici isn’t the Camp Nou, our more familiar European haunt.

The industrial surroundings should set a tone for the players, though, and industrial performance is required tonight, where the attributes of effort, attention to detail and strength of character are required.

Astra surprised many of us at Celtic Park last month.  After their capitulation to Dinamo Zagreb they were supposed to be the whipping boys of the group, but they can play and extended Celtic more than any domestic challenger would be able to.

A victory would be an enormous boost to our season, and to the development of Ronny’s first Celtic squad.  Question is, are we ready yet?

Ignorance of causality

Sometime between when the link between tobacco and cancer was suggested, and when it was proven, cigarette manufacturers mocked the research by pointing to a study which linked dental hygiene with cancer.

A perfectly valid piece of research found that – in their sample – the group who brushed their teeth daily had less cancers.  In any research you would expect random links, which is why the medical industry requires many studies before concluding on a linkage or treatment.

Yesterday Community Safety Minister, Roseanna Cunningham, told the Scottish Parliament that recent years has seen decreases in religious hatred crimes at football, which she attributes to the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act., which she informed us we spend £3m per year enforcing.  That’s a lot of police overtime to pluck fans out of their beds at 4am.

I respectfully disagree.  Ms Cunningham is blind to causality.  Top flight football in Scotland these past few years is a completely different place than it was previously.    The change had nothing to do with her government’s “horribly drafted” [Sherriff Richard Davidson] legislation.

She knows this, of course, but the landscape has changed over the last year.  The Scottish Government received an independent report on the Act in December last year but refused to debate it in Parliament or at committee.  This is unsurprising as the issue could have been toxic at a sensitive time.

Jim Murphy yesterday pledged to scrap the Act “right away”, adding “Sectarianism is a deep rooted and hate filled long-term problem in Scotland. It was allowed to fester and grow over many decades. Shamefully it was celebrated by a minority and silently tolerated by far too many”.

No other political party supported the Act, so it will not survive a change of government, but going by the polls that day could be a long way off.  That £3m per year is lubricating a lot of wheels, but the real cost is the politically motivated criminalisation of the non-intolerant innocent in order to “equalise” them with the absolutely intolerant.

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  1. kitalba



    13:28 on 6 November, 2014


    Not written by me but rather borrowed, as a wee timely reminder from ScotlsLawThoughts, I hope the formating holds up.



    THE DEATH OF RANGERS FC – Guest Post by JohnBhoy



    I, for one, read it all and commend the poster for resubmitting a coherent statement of the facts. Let the naysayers counteract them apples!

  2. Summa,



    Your analogy is just like a player leaving a football club which does happen from time to time.



    None of the gers who won the cup winners cup in 72 played in the final in Manchester 08 but rangers (the club) still got to both euro finals.



    Liquidation was a different kettle of worms.

  3. .












    But is it Not a Bit Like Talking about Your Ex-Wife all Day on Your New Brides Wedding Day..



    As I said Forrest Gump..




  4. Jc2-a mate is with offishul party and sent a photo of the bhoys training last night,pretty foggy.

  5. Geordie Munro



    That’s true. As ever, the key to getting a result away in Europe is keeping the ball, which seems really difficult for a lot of Celtic players (past and present).



    Shouting at the sprogs is a better idea as at least they can hear you. Maybe I should shout at someone in closer proximity. If the Honest Mistake is going to the WCSC tonight it will be him…sorry….

  6. kitalba


    13:28 on


    6 November, 2014


    Not written by me but rather borrowed, as a wee timely reminder from ScotlsLawThoughts, I hope the formating holds up.



    THE DEATH OF RANGERS FC – Guest Post by JohnBhoy






    Epic and straight to the crux



    Thanks for posting.

  7. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on



    Eh, you mean specifically the “AC-DC” presentation which is different from how everyone including album covers present it “AC/DC” you’ve lost me pal.



    The brand as far as I knew was AC/DC however I don’t think it can be copyrighted as it’s a commonly used terminology displayed on electrical signage.

  8. summa of sammi….



    14:04 on 6 November, 2014





    Jeezo if Magnus Read it that’s us at Least at 19.. Ha



    Summa may scoff but repetition of the facts is what encourages Cold Case Units to keep on keeping on. You should live so long, eh Summa? :-)

  9. lawwellsacountant on

    Pity the effigy was not real , Salmond is aright wing racist orange bigot and burning is to good for him

  10. !!Bada Bing!!




    14:00 on 6 November, 2014




    Yeah let’s all believe Jim Murphy……..dearie me




    Hard to believe what any politician promises. I’d have preferred a statement on an intention to scrap the Act to have come from Roseanna Cunningham – but it certainly won’t. She has been telling us how successful it’s all been by using stats from the 2012-2013 stats. This is the same government that “lost” the previous data on sectarian crime because it didn’t suit their agenda. Now we have a nice new set that demonstrate clearly that “one side is as bad as the other”.

  11. GlassTwoThirdsFull on



    Next you’ll be telling us that Bob was using illegal clubs and that the club secretary knew all about it but covered it up……

  12. The Battered Bunnet on

    DBBIA sends his apols for missing the lunchtime beat, but he’s heading over to the Ole Burns Howff to watch Gretna Starling and the Murmurations.

  13. Magnus:



    Cheers, I thought it was pertinent.



    Summa, mate I can never collate a post like that and neither can I ever remember all the facts. I have to re-read so many things just to keep up and honestly mate, there are times I’m glad I went back and re-read it.






    I honestly believed it was against the law to do what Rangers are doing but when has the law – ever – stopped them from doing what they want? T

  14. .






    You know the First Rule of Debating/Arguing with Me is You Don’t mention the Grammar..



    Start Again AC/DC the Band/Brand..



    Thimbles Up..【ツ】




  15. Sandman




    12:50 on 6 November, 2014




    Roseanna Cunningham, told the Scottish Parliament that recent years has seen decreases in religious hatred crimes at football, which she attributes to the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act., which she informed us we spend £3m per year enforcing.






    Good grief, and just a short couple of months ago, many on here were prepared to give utter and absolute power over us to her party.



    What were we thinking about







    Do you understand what a YES vote would have meant ?. SNP were not guaranteed to have absolute power over us. Hope you didn’t vote on what you thought would have happened !.



    Anyway …..its over.

  16. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on



    As I pointed out it’s not their brand it is commonly used electrical signage

  17. TBB



    Thoughts and prayers. RIP Robert.








    the battered bunnet



    13:08 on 6 November, 2014


    My application to join the local golf club has been accepted, albeit via a rather circuitous route.



    Instead of being granted a regular membership, turns out that the membership of a recently deceased member has been transferred to me.



    No harm at that, except for medal rounds and club competitions I’ll be entered as “Robert McIvor”, and will be known to other members as Bob.



    I gather that the recently deceased Robert McIvor was a long-standing member, club Captain, and won the club Championship 8 times in the last 10 years.



    Unfortunately, I have to use my own handicap.

  18. Winning Captain



    Not sure what bits you refer to the rules or the analogy regards taste.



    the rules are at





    and if its the analogy drop it if you like. I’ve tidied up the version without removing anything but feel free to use as suits.



    An Associate SFA Membership could have been applied for within 14 days of joining the SFL and granted, so no need to transfer the SFA Membership held by the liquidated club to the new club. Transfer of a membership no more makes the new club the club same as the old club than a Golf Club transferring a deceased father’s membership to his son makes the son his dead father or resurrects him. This was purely a commercial construct overriding the normal football rules when there was no need to.

  19. Melbourne Mick on

    A longtime till the match starts and pmt is kicking in,


    thats pre match tension ok.


    So i would like to tell you all about my wee da god


    rest his soul who i will be forever grateful for raising


    and teaching me the true Celtic way.


    He followed Celtic everywhere and when he introduced


    me to the legend that was Charly Tully when i was a wee


    lad that was me had the Celtic bug.


    Now my da had what they called a lazy eye in those days


    and could not see much out of it and when in his seventies


    he had a couple of strokes losing the sight of his good eye


    so he was registered blind and given a white stick to get


    about, he was not in the best of health with a racking cough


    from working in fume filled factories but always retained a


    devilish sense of humour and refused to keep himself house


    bound and walked most days and thats when i worried.


    I would come in have a chat and say o.k where did your walk


    take you today(he lived in Bellahouston near ibokes)


    oh just doon the road a bit.


    Hope you did not cross too many roads


    No son nope(with a grin on his face)


    Found out a week later when a friend of mine who worked in


    the doom dome stopped me and said


    Mick you better have a wee word with your old man.


    Why whats he been up to.


    He’s passing by ibokes everyday he stands at the kerb


    outside the main door and taps the kerb way his stick


    and he always catches one of those clowns coming out


    they always ask him if he wants tae cross the road


    and he says no a heard yous are looking for a scout when


    can a start, it was funny at first but now a think there getting


    a bit pissed off with it.


    That must have been the only time a gave him a bollocking


    not for winding them up but for crossing so many roads.


    H.H Mick.

  20. the battered bunnet



    13:08 on 6 November, 2014


    My application to join the local golf club has been accepted, albeit via a rather circuitous route.



    Do any other benefits accrue? Have you conferred with Bob’s widow f’rinstance?


    Geordie Munro



    ta for that palomine.just going to collect the grandchildren.think i’ll whistle a wee tune to them while they eat their daily ration of SWEETIES.

  22. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on



    Absolute quality, but you out of order with the bollocking, you should have been giving him a lift :oD))))

  23. Melbourne Mick



    Lovely story!



    Your Dad sounds like a fantastic character.



    Take care.

  24. The Battered Bunnet on

    Question for the assorted Pop Meisters on the blog:



    Did David Van Day’s Bucks Fizz win the Eurovision Song Contest?

  25. weeminger



    14:15 on 6 November, 2014



    Club statement: Repeal the OBF Act




    No surprise there. Good that the club make clear their position, but this Act will never be repealed with the current Scottish Government in power.

  26. As a few on here think papers won’t touch the advert,billboards possibly.Why don’t we fly a drone over Hamdump? A wee slogan like ‘I can see dead people’?, what harm will that cause….? :0

  27. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    I honestly hope you guys googled to get that info :)



  28. I am astounded of forehead to only realise, only today, that my son shares his birthday (6 today) with Celtic!



    Mind you, I shouldn’t be surprised; one of my cousins was born 25th May 1967 and I was born, in the Belvidere, on the day Celtic clinched the first of 9 in a row.



    Also, my nephew, 18 at the time, also worked out that my daughter must have been conceived during the weekend that Celtic won their first title under Martin O’Neill.



    The Celtic!